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Andrew Sullivan “Misremembers” The Last 8 Years (Update – Sullivan Responds)

Apparently history began for Andrew Sullivan on January 20th of this year:

This much is now clear. Their clear and open intent is to do all they can, however they can, to sabotage the new administration (and the economy to boot). They want failure. Even now. Even after the last eight years. Even in a recession as steeply dangerous as this one. There are legitimate debates to be had; and then there is the cynicism and surrealism of total political war. We now should have even less doubt about what kind of people they are. And the mountain of partisan vitriol Obama will have to climb every day of the next four or eight years.

Obviously Sullivan can’t think of “legitimate debates to be had” concerning this awful bill (just turn toward the White House, bow and sign). And you have to assume that he doesn’t consider putting this bill together without letting the Republicans participate as a party (not as the ‘picked off three’) a cynical declaration of “total political war”. In fact you have to wonder when he began paying attention to “mountains of partisan vitriol” that presidents have to climb over every day.

Andy, when the opposition party “war” dedicated to undermining a presidency and causing it to fail even approaches that which the Democrats waged against George Bush for the last 8 years, I’ll be first to let you know.  In the meantime, quit whining for heaven sake.  This ain’t bean bag.

UPDATE: Andrew Sullivan responds to my points about “legitimate debates” and Republican inclusion:

You mean Obama never went to the Congress to talk to the House GOP? That he hasn’t been relentless in including Republicans in the debate? That he didn’t urge over $300 billion in tax cuts in the bill to assuage Republican feelings in the first place?

Of course going to Congress to talk with the House GOP turned out to be more for show than substance. It was made clear, afterward, that while he was polite and at least pretended to listen, little if any of what they asked for ended up in the bill. One reason that’s so is the bill was written by Democrats in Congress, not Barack Obama. If it had been written by Obama and his administration, Sullivan might have a leg to stand on. But obviously his “relentless inclusion” attempt was ignored by the Democratic Congressional leadership and the GOP was shut out of the process to craft the bill.

Concerning tax cuts, as we’ve pointed out here any number of times, transfer payments my be called tax cuts just like a pile of dog feces may be called a rose, but by any other name, they’re still just welfare checks. Those aren’t the tax cuts the GOP asked for and certainly not what the GOP would support.


24 Responses to Andrew Sullivan “Misremembers” The Last 8 Years (Update – Sullivan Responds)

  • In 2001 it was the Democrats who went round the US and the world shouting how George W. Bush was the first president appoint by the Supreme Court. The Democrats wanted failure from Bush then Republican want Obama to fail now.

    It is amazing how history can be rewritten in a short time. It was Congressional Democrats who pushed for a Department of Homeland Security after September 11, 2001, not President Bush.

    Bush had many faults: no fiscal leadership, delgated too much to subordinates, no real vision, and had no stage presenses. But he never once tried to cement a permenant majority in Congress the way the Obama adminstration is planning to do. The entire scenariro of taking the Census Bureau out of the Department of Commerce shows the extent they will go to get their way.  This is going to be a very long four years!

    Danny L. McDaniel
    Lafayette, Indiana

  • “Excitable Andy” is a twit .. a bloody twit at that.

  • I thought dissent was the highest form of patriotism.  Now it’s clear:  disagreeing with Democrats is wishing for America to fail

  • Saint Andrew, the Incontinent. Possibly, the second biggest example of lack of integrity on the net, second only to Glenn Greenwald.

  • Rich, coming from the man who inventedTrig trutherism….

  • I could say that Sullivan has bent over and taken it from the Democrats but that would be redundant – wouldn’t it?

  • Wow, it took 6 whole comments before someone made a homophobic slur.  That’s got to be a record in restraint from a troglodyte site like this. Congratulations!

    • Why, are you bending over also?

      • No….Eric seems like much more of a “top”.

      • Hey Eric – you use big words.  You must be wicked smart.  One suggestion though… try to use them properly.  It should read “That’s got to be a record in restraint from a troglodytic site like this.”  We are troglodytes (according to you), the site then takes on the attributes of the readers.

    • Well we have troglodytes like you so I guess that makes your point

  • Sullivan is a douchebag.

    The only reason to read his mutterings is for the sheer joy of fisking it later.

  • YOU miss the point.

    Legitimate debates can be had. 

    Just not by people like you.

  • Its like the difference between the ability to legitimately debate theology with a real priest and the ability to legitimately debate it with a two-bit swindler who only pretends to be religious to con stupid people from their money.  

    So there can be no legitimate debate over principles with people who have none.

  • Odd how those “legitimate debates to be had” are always on some other subject, to be discussed some other time.

  • From this day forward, every time Sully claims to be a Conservative, I get to kick him in his shriveled little ball sack. It’s no less a lie than “there are no earmarks in this stimulus package.”

    • That’s funny, I feel the same way about every member of the GOP today.

      • I guess that is because you and Sully have so much in common.  

        Sully is a mindless partisan to whom any logical thought suddenly appearing in his mind would feel as unwelcome as a black man at a KKK rally

        • Hey capt, do me a favor will you?
          The National Review just came out with their top 25 conservative movies in the last 25 years, and on that list is “Groundhog Day” starring Bill Murray.
          Explain to me how “Groundhog Day” is a conservative movie please.  ‘Cause I don’t get it.


          • Also, how is it that fortune cookies taste so bad and so good at the same time?
            And another thing, why is the winner of the Westminster Dog Show always a breed that I’ve never heard of?

            Help me out here, capt.

  • You mean Obama Bush never went to the Congress to talk to the House GOP DEMS? That he hasn’t been relentless in including Republicans Democrats  in the debate? That he didn’t urge over $300 billion in tax cuts in the bill No Child Left Behind/Massive deficit spending to assuage Republican Democrats feelings in the first place?

    I don’t know about a mountain of vitriol, but Sullivan’s mountain of BS is astounding

  • Funny that this sort of think used to be called debate and now it is a war on democracy.  

    How many other demogogues starthis way by labelling their opponents as enemies of democracy?