Free Markets, Free People

Podcast for 19 Apr 09

In this podcast, Bruce, Michael, Bryan, and Dale discuss the use of torture on terror suspects, and the week’s Tea Parties.

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One Response to Podcast for 19 Apr 09

  • I am curious about Bruce’s position about the suicide bomber vs. the man tied to a chair, specifically scenarios where the other actor has a rifle and is at risk. How about if he has a sniper rifle and is not at risk? How about if he has a sniper rifle, is not at risk, and the target is driving his car bomb in the desert? How about the car bomb cell meeting in a shack in the desert oblivious to the predator targeting them?

    My point is that in most of those cases (all?) we’d be willing to use violence against the bombers, even thought they technically weren’t “coming at us.” At the planning stage, we’d be killing people for “evil thoughts.” How is this really different from the man in the chair torture scenario? Is it the even tiniest amount of “fighting chance?” I’m curious if anyone has some answers – I am sure they exist.

    Also, missing from the discussion was the the reverse slippery slope of banning torture.  By this I mean, by banning anything even remotely considered torture we end up hamstringing our interrogators. I am thinking along the lines of some who would include “psychological” torture, which I think there could be a case for including, but in the hands of some opponents would eventually mean anything you do to a prisoner would be torture, .eg. the red ink maxi pads, etc. This is why I like Dale’s definition because it leaves such techniques open, whereas some full scale opponents of “torture” seem more interested in hamstringing our forces to make wars harder and harder to fight.