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A Military Coup Here? Really?

Apparently, someone named John L. Perry posted a blog post at NewsMax about a military coup that was quickly taken down.  Bob Owens at Confederate Yankee has the whole article and a disclaimer from Newsmax as well.   It has, of course, set the left on fire.  What Perry wrote deserves to be seen for no other reason than its absurdity.  And while the left thumps the right over this “whack job”, keep in mind Perry’s biography says he worked for both LBJ and Carter Administrations and LeRoy Collins, a former Democratic Governor of Florida.

Here are the salient parts of Perry’s blog post:

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn’t mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.

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Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a “family intervention,” with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”

In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.

A non-violent solution to the “Obama problem”? It is called an election you idiot. You cut the rug out from under him by taking the majority in Congress away from the Democrats in 2010 and then you do a voter’s “coup” in 2012 and elect someone else to the presidency.

How does one think that a military coup would put us in a better place Constitutionally? He’s certainly done his best to dress up those who would be involved in such a coup as the second coming of the founding fathers, but it is much more likely that wouldn’t be the case if an actual military coup took place.

Look, I’m no happier with Obama than Perry, but a military coup as a solution? Heaven forbid.

The military coup nonsense is just a delusional fantasy. In fact I’d rate the chance of a military coup here on the same level as an inexhaustible and non-polluting energy source being found within the next 30 seconds. How this boob figures that it is “gaining possibility” is beyond me. Unless he’s polled the upper leadership of the military recently in such a way that allows him to discern this “gain”, he’s blowing this out his posterior. Certainly there may be many in the military who are not happy with Barack Obama. But that was also true when it came to George Bush. And Bill Clinton. But, the military is not about to engage in some vast conspiratorial effort to “restore and defend the Constitution” any time soon. They have a pretty full plate right now with 2 wars and all the other missions they carry on throughout the world.

There may indeed be a true Constitutional crisis at some point in our future where such a thing is actually contemplated, but this isn’t it.

I’m sure someone, in defense of Perry, is going to claim that this was all a farce and just something thrown out there in good fun to solicit a reaction. If so, then you have to wonder why it “disappeared” from Newsmax’s website faster than a bottle of beer in a frat house. It was a stupid post, with no basis in fact and injurious to Newsmax’s credibility. They apparently figured that out quickly and issued a statement in which support for the post is not at all evident (something TNR never did during the Beauchamp debacle – there by further tarnishing their reputation). Good for them.

Owens does wonder something I too thought about:

The simple fact of the matter is that author seems to have come unhinged, and for reasons perhaps structural to the site’s editorial process, the column made it to print without a sanity check by the editors.

Any bet that will change?

And you also have to wonder what a guy who lists work with three democratic administrations is doing writing blog posts for Newsmax. That and why he’s now so disillusioned with a Democratic president?

~McQ

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52 Responses to A Military Coup Here? Really?

    • Yeah, I saw that – I plan on using some of it soon. But I had to shake my head at Vidal’s lament that there were no intellectuals in America and then his truly anti-intellectual claim about the Supreme Court’s “2000 coup.”

      I got a laugh out of his claim that he’s most proud of the fact he hasn’t killed anyone, although he’s been badly tempted.

      • “But I had to shake my head at Vidal’s lament that there were no intellectuals in America”

        And when he came back to the US, there were even fewer.

  • Well, the left fantasized about the military arresting President Bush at one time, and I’m sure that there are people on the right who wouldn’t mind seeing TAO sent off to Leavenworth (or Gitmo!) in chains between two burly MP’s.

    I am not among that doubtless tiny number.

    Nobody detests TAO and the democrats generally than I do, but I have NO desire to see our Constitution shredded any more than it already has been. We have laws to deal with corrupt politicians. We have elections to deal with incompetent politicians. That’s good enough for me.

  • … channeling Thomas Sowell …
    When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can’t help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmU0NGQ0ZTQzZTU4Zjk4MjdjZWMzYTM4Nzk2MzQ0MGI=

    • It is one thing to wonder about it in general as Sowell does. It is another to claim it is a “gaining possibility” specifically because of a particular American president.

  • Could you run through those options one more time?

    Seriously, I have almost undue immense respect for the American military, but I think we can give the situation another six months before we hear talk like that.

    • Seriously, I have almost undue immense respect for the American military, but I think we can give the situation another six months before we hear talk like that.

      But another seven months after that when a new congress can be elected is just out of the question.

      And what’s up with the “six months” equation with you guys?
      Victory in Iraq, as I recall, was always just “six months away.”
      Now, talk of military coup, is just six months away. And just six months after that… Well… Armageddon, of course.

      Armageddon, chaos, grab your axe and run for the hills… the Democrats are in control.

      We’re doomed.

      • For a guy with an Irish pin as his snapshot you have a terribly slow wit.

        • Wow, Martin… That was just… great.
          It seemed… effortless. Good work!!

          Pointless, empty response. Just what I’ve come to expect from you.

          • Pointless to the pointless.

          • Riiiiiiight.

            Why is it that you would give another six months to the situation before talk of military coup?
            What is it about the Obama administration that leads you to believe that there should be talk of a military coup six months from now? And what about that suggests that there shouldn’t be one now? And if not now, why six months from now?
            And why shouldn’t we allow another seven months for another election that could replace the Democratic majority?

            Or did you not think this through?

          • I’m sitting here wondering why this dim fellow can’t recognize that “…wait another six months…” was a jest. Is he pretending not to get it? Is he drugged up midday? What exactly is the problem?

          • I’m sitting here wondering why this dim fellow can’t recognize that “…wait another six months…” was a jest. Is he pretending not to get it? Is he drugged up midday? What exactly is the problem?

            Yes, what exactly is the problem here?

            Now you have me wondering. I’m usually pretty keen to the fine art of comedy.
            So let’s examine the “joke” as it is…

            Seriously, I have almost undue immense respect for the American military, but I think we can give the situation another six months before we hear talk like that.

            Okay, so you begin the sentence with the word “seriously.” Well heck, that right there is obviously a prelude to a knee-slapper. Then you quickly follow it with, “I have almost undue immense respect for the American military…” Who could miss that set-up?
            All that’s missing is the punch line. And you give us that with, “…another six months before we hear talk [of military take-over of the U.S. government] like that.”

            Funny stuff, dude. I don’t know how I missed it.

            You’re either an incredibly bad jester, or you realized your own insanity and you attempted to cover it up by claiming it was a joke.

            I guess that could go either way.

          • “I don’t know how I missed it.”

            I told you in my first response: you’re slow witted.

  • After reading Charlie Gasparino’s piece detailing how even folks like Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, and Paul Volcker have been marginalized, Obama is looking more and more like Jimmy Carter II (which may explain why Jimmy Carter has been so vocal recently). The White House is internalizing everything. Meanwhile everybody else is sitting around waiting for word from the top (except over at NSF).

    Who needs a coup when they will eventually die of exhaustion.

    Personally, I would prefer that scenario the History Channel has been running this past week with a terrorist “nuke on the Mall” taking out most of downtown DC, including the entire Congress … sort of a redux of the audience reaction to the “Independence Day” aliens destroying DC (some audiences cheered when the Capitol was destroyed).

    But term limits would do the same thing with less destruction.

  • On the other hand, I would want the colonels leading the coup (it has to be colonels, right?) to tell me in advance what plans they had for Chuck Schumer. Detention? Horsewhipping?

    That’s the kind of transparency I need from a coup d’etat.

  • It is called an election you idiot.

    It can be called an impeachment.

    • Yeah, that’s another. But there have to be “high crimes and misdemeanors” charged by Congress – how likely would that be with this Congress who are, in and of themselves, a high crime.

    • We really can’t impeach a guy over bad policy decisions or changing his mind frequently. Apparently, we cannot even convict for lying under oath as long it is only about sex.

      Rick

  • I laugh every time I see that sort of thing. Anyone who has been in the military for a career could explain to you that those who rise to general rank are politicians not warriors. They have been chosen for their malleability and correctness. You don’t get promoted beyond Colonel today without spending more time in schools and Pentagon halls than on battlefields or in air battles. Within the general ranks the incest is manifest. You’ll find no man on a white horse in the top ranks these days. Warriors get weeded out.

    • Yes, sadly, there are no more generals like Burt Lancaster and Gregory Peck, who could pull off a coup like the coups of old.

      Perhaps Martin Sheen could come out of retirement and serve another term, as interim president.

      I could hear the roar of approvals from liberals: “Thank God Sheen is back in office! He was the best president we ever had.”

      • No thanks on Sheen, either Martin or Charlie. But Harrison Ford could dust off Jack Ryan for me.

        • Harrison Ford also has excellent presidential experience from Air Force One, in addition to that strong background at CIA.

          Very impressive leadership skills during that battle on the plane.

          Hadn’t he been a fighter pilot before becoming president? Those guys, you know, could drop a bomb on someone when they had to. (Maybe I’m confusing him with Bill Pullman, definitely an ex-fighter pilot, who showed how a skilled president leads from an undisclosed location in Independence Day.)

    • And, don’t forget who approves promotion to and within the ranks of general as well.

  • Maybe Jason Bourne can do it….he’s got mad spy skillz and stuff.

    That’s about the level of seriousness this drivel deserves.

  • Why do the words “I have a cunning plan my lord” keep coming to mind here?

  • That and why he’s now so disillusioned with a Democratic president?

    Maybe because his thinking processes became badly disordered, he felt himself slipping into insanity, but before the light went out completely, he had one final lucid thought: “The Democratic Party is no place for a cuckoo bird like me. I need to join the GOP, pronto.”

    Other than the above, McQ, good post. It’s nice to be able to agree with you on at least part of a post. Maybe someday it’ll be the whole thing.

    • “The Democratic Party is no place for a cuckoo bird like me.

      True. It would be difficult to make himself heard over the flocks of them that already infest the Democrats.

  • This is the kind of stuff that helps despotism to take root.
    The fear of toppling the government brings on more repression.

    • Michael Steele calls Tom Friedman a “nut job” for this column making parallels between “now” and “the period leading up to the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.”

      • Friedman at least alludes to the hate fest directed at Bush, though he spares his complicit Times readers a remembrance of the ugly details, immensely more vicious than the current situation. What struck me about the column is how similar it is to one that appeared today in my local paper. There’s no url-link to the local column itself, but I blogged about it at my place. The colunnist doesn’t even allude to the Bush years, but the obligatory reference to Joe McCarthy is there.

        Must be contagious.

  • It sounds like this puke is a Demmie plant. The leftist blogs and Keith “The Nazi” Dimbulbermann are spending moocho time on this.

    Maybe we should all go on lefty blogs and post that the Republican plan for health care is to “die quickly.”

    Wait…what? Some lefty already said something that utterly stoopid?

    Sorry about that. Please return to your regularly scheduled repast.

  • Well, not knowing much about this stuff, how many militaries does it take to make a coup? Do all the branches have to agree? Or, can we have rogue coups? Bi-coups…etc.

    • The key to the coup is the armored division nearest the capital, (as we don’t have a presidential guard division, that’s probably some Virgina national guard unit.) Thus coups are usually done by the army. Its nice to also have the special forces or airborne units in on it as well. Make sure to take over the radio and TV stations and seal off the airport.

      You know, France had a coup in 1958 – its not like it does not happen in mature democracies.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1958

  • Bruce:

    Perhaps I am giving Perry too much credit here, but I see this as an effort to smear the one institution of government that is based on a culture of integrity – the US military.

    This allegation is not new. It’s been a fantasy of authors and screen writers for years. Remember the book, Seven Days in May? It was the tale of a rogue general who conspired to take power. The plan was discovered by a reporter and foiled by a stalwart, liberal senator. [Yeah, right!]

    We have a professional, volunteer military who, unlike politicians, actually abide by their oath to protect and defend the Constitution. They know what an illegal order is and they can recite their entire chain of command all the way to the President of the United States.

  • Omnibus response:

    ArchRemember the book, Seven Days in May? It was the tale of a rogue general who conspired to take power. The plan was discovered by a reporter and foiled by a stalwart, liberal senator. [Yeah, right!]

    A correction: the plot was uncovered by a Marine colonel who worked directly for the coup leader, the Chairman of the JCS. He reported it to the president, who succeeded (barely) in breaking it up. The media were not involved. One thing I liked about the book was that it did NOT paint the military as a bunch of power-hungry maniacs. Yes, there were some bad apples, but in general the military personnel were portrayed as what so many of them really are: decent, professional, law-abiding, patriotic. Even the coup mastermind, Gen. Scott, plotted the coup to (as he thought) save the country, not aggrandize himself.

    HarunYou know, France had a coup in 1958 – its not like it does not happen in mature democracies.

    France is an old democracy, NOT a “mature” one. Government by riot, coup, and civil war seem to be the tradition there. Contrast with Britain, which hasn’t had a civil war since the 17th century.

    NeoThe fear of toppling the government brings on more repression.

    Orson Scott Card has recently written a novel about this sort of thing. His thesis is the the gap between far left and far right is so vast that BOTH sides expect the other to take extra-constitutional steps to take over the government, NOT necessarily because they want to stage a coup, but rather from fear that the other side is preparing to and see the need to act first.

    If I was a conspiracy nut, I would suggest that this is the source of the dems’ fixation on some right-wing nut trying to kill TAO: they actually sort of hope it will happen as it would give them an excuse to REALLY crack down on their hated enemy. A liberal response to the attempted assassination of TAO would make the Patriot Act look like a kindergarten teacher getting an unruly class under control. Can you say, “Night of the Long Knives”?

  • Can you say “Never bring a knife to a gun fight?” Bad mistake, let’s not go there kids.

  • Virtually any officer I knew in my career read “Seven Days in May.” And every officer probably, while sitting on the throne during his (female officers were somewhat of a rarity in my day) morning contitutional, thought of what would really happen if there ever was such a coup in the US.

    Upon reflection a single thought would step front and center “If successful, then what – how would the US then be ruled?” At that point there would be a short laugh and the officer would turn back to the really important part of the morning constitutional – the Sports Pages!