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When, If Ever, Will Obama Begin Acting Like The Commander In Chief?

I am not impressed. You may say I was set up not to be impressed simply because of my ideological preferences and the fact that Barack Obama is the antithesis of those preferences. But this has nothing to do with politics. No I don’t agree with most of what he stands for on the political scene, but that really has nothing to do with him acting like the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. And a photo op at Dover doesn’t fulfill the role. Nor does a substitute visit to Walter Reed when soldiers are hurting at Ft. Hood and 13 are dead.

Nor does an insensitive and tone deaf “shout out” prior to finally getting to the horrific news of Ft. Hood cut it either. The tragedy at Ft. Hood was a moment and a chance for a president, about whom the armed forces aren’t yet sure, to step up and assume one of the most important roles he has – that of commander in chief. And, frankly, he blew it. Even the liberal Boston Globe understood he’d blown it:

“It takes more than scripted eloquence for Presidents to connect with fellow Americans. It requires a visceral ability to grasp the scope of tragedy, calculate its impact on the national psyche, and react swiftly. Obama missed the first moment to show he understood how much it hurt.”

Even with that, he had a chance to redeem himself in the eyes of the military. There were a lot of hurting people at Ft. Hood who would have appreciated a visit from their CiC. Instead he left it to a former Commander in Chief to fulfill the role while he took “R&R” at Camp David for the weekend.  As the Globe puts it, he seems to have completely missed the “scope of the tragedy” and its impact. More importantly he seems indifferent to his duties as CiC.

One of the best bloggers on the net when it comes to this sort of a subject is my friend Cassandra at Villainous Company. She has a must read essay in which she eloquently points out why Obama simply doesn’t “get” the military, and most likely never will. In my opinion, given what I’ve seen thus far, he appears to be totally unsuited to be the Commander in Chief.

Eloquence or style are no substitutes for leadership. An effective Commander in Chief leads. He doesn’t vote “present”. He doesn’t outsource his job. He doesn’t give it lip service. When those he’s leading are hurting, he’s there immediately. He acts like a leader, he empathizes like a leader and he makes decisions like a leader. And what he gains is one of the hardest things in the world to earn and keep – respect.

At the moment I have absolutely no respect for the Commander in Chief of this nation. And I suspect that feeling is shared by a very good portion of our military and military families. My title is a rhetorcial question.  Unfortunately, given his performance so far, I’m pretty sure I know the answer.

~McQ

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53 Responses to When, If Ever, Will Obama Begin Acting Like The Commander In Chief?

  • What can one say to this sort of thing?  Those of us who smelled a rat about Imeme during the campaign are more or lessunsurprised (I confess that even I didn’t think he was this clueless and narcissistic).  This is, after all, the same man who said that all our troops were doing in A-stan was air raiding villages and killing civilians.  I suspect that the average dem (to the extent that he even knows what Imeme said, as MiniTru is doing a good job of censoring or outright burying what Imeme said) doesn’t especially care.  What do they care about a few baby-killing GI’s murdered in Texas by a poor non-religious man who snapped because he could no longer take the stress of being forced to participate in Bush’s illegal wars?

    And now Imeme is taking some time off at Camp David.  Anybody remember how MiniTru howled with outrage any time Bush was on vacation and something happened?

    As the crowning cherry on top of this pile of crap, anybody else note that Imeme incorrectly identified a CMH winner?  One wonders if he even knows what a CMH isaside from something that right-wing redneck rubes seem to value for some obscure reason having to do with air raiding villages and killing civilians.

    • Imeme will at least never be found reading to children while a major national disaster is underway!
       
       
      No by thunder!  he’ll be somewhere on the fairway of the  4th, possibly the tee on 12.
       
      Just when I think he can’t become a bigger turd in the punchbowl he manages a way, and the media claims he’s the really special bonus flavor in the punch.

  • Trying to grasp this presidency via the normative terms of American politics is not possible.

    This is a fifth columnist presidency, hidden in plain sight from the beginning.

    This person was formed in the high academic bubble: Marxism, postmodernism, identity politics. Then right into that church for two decades of upkeep.

    In Freudian terms, his very superego is anti-American. Waiting for him to start acting in ways that can be grasped through the normative political understanding of America is pointless. At best, he’ll try that mask on, but it will never fit.

  • To be fair, I suspect the folks at Fort Hood would rather see Bush than Obama…

  • When, If Ever, Will Obama Begin Acting Like The Commander In Chief?
    Only when he finally realizes that his skin is at stake too.

  • Let me first say that the tragedy that is the cowardly act of a single individual (at least for now) is not lost on any American, and for that matter millions of others around the world.  A horrendous and senseless crime I would hope all of us want to see just punishment meted out by our court system.  

    If Obama is there to honor our fallen troops, it is an outlandish photo op, and if he’s not there it is a gesture by Obama that has little or no concern for servicemen and women.  If proof of his lack of leadership are the places and times he chooses to be, in relationship to where conservatives thinks he needs to be, he will never be at the right place at the right time and that would be for any CiC. DocJim says “I suspect that the average dem (to the extent that he even knows what Imeme said, as MiniTru is doing a good job of censoring or outright burying what Imeme said) doesn’t especially care.  What do they care about a few baby-killing GI’s murdered in Texas by a poor non-religious man who snapped because he could no longer take the stress of being forced to participate in Bush’s illegal wars?”  DocJim, I absolutely disagree with that, that the average democrats, do not care about this tragedy, if your  implication is that most (Dems) don’t care about slain babies and G I’s by a lunatic. Do you really, sincerely believe that? 

    It is estimated that Eisenhower played around 800 rounds of golf during his presidency, and in fact George W. Bush, and Gerald Ford had much better handicaps that Obama.   So if rounds of golf and or recreation days are related to performance of the President, then surely Eisenhower was awful because he played lots of golf, and Ford and Bush must have practiced a great deal to obtain impressive handicap figures.   So what?

    When Bush was reading a book to grade schoolers as the US was being savagely attacked, I never thought a thing about it, even though the appearance was seized upon by many libs as being a huge error in judgement and showing  abject neglect of the situation.   It is a shame that Obama wasn’t there at Hood during efforts by first responders to stabilize the situation and initiate an investigation .  I can offer this up.  Had he been there investigative efforts would have ground to a stop and Obama’s critics would now be saying he was insensitive to Fort Hood and the brave men and women who serve there by being there.   The base was shut down!   The first responders were, at least for the first few days, severely challenged in their efforts to start putting the pieces together.  Just as in New Orleans, after Katrina, search and rescue ground almost to stop as the President’s security detail and precious first responder resources were used elsewhere to block roads, route traffic. insure safety for the President, and the huge entourage that accompanies the President.   Presidents don’t belong anywhere near a situation like that one, as long as first responders are doing their jobs

    There may be efforts at some point in time, to place all of the blame, of this terrible and senseless crime in the lap of the President and the rest of the Muslim world by some conservatives.   I can only hope that the first and foremost concern with all of the country is with the victims and survivors of this disgusting act of violence.   

    • Uh, sorry Kev – but this wasn’t Katrina. First responders stopped doing their jobs that afternoon. He wouldn’t have disrupted a thing. But what he would have done is shown some respect for those he leads and actually gained some respect as well.

      Instead, he opted for Camp David while a former president took the time and made the effort to be there. And that pretty well sums it all up as far as I’m concerned.

    • The commander and chief needs to be there, needed to be there shortly after it happened.  It was worthy of his time, it’s that simple, and I wouldn’t have thought it necessarily a photo op, I would have thought “finally maybe he gets it”.  Especially if he did it Bush style, no flair, no announcement, and the word leaked out AFTER it happened.    Didn’t see that though, did we, because it’s not who he is,  he’s a lousy leader.  He and his advisers think you can vote present and that’s good enough.   Being inspired by words on a teleprompter may be one thing, understanding, intuitively, what is needed at such a time is the mark of a leader, and he doesn’t have it.
       

      • Don’t forget the list of visits Bush made to Walter Reed without ever telling anyone.
         
        Obama can’t do it without half the reporters in the free world tagging along.

    • kevin caughman…  that the average democrats, do not care about this tragedy, if your  implication is that most (Dems) don’t care about slain babies and G I’s by a lunatic. Do you really, sincerely believe that? 

      Short answer: yes.

      I believe it because democrats stand idly by and even cheer when their leaders make outrageous statements about our military.  Imeme, as I mentioned, accused our troops in A-stan of air raiding villages and killing civilians.  He is practically worshipped as a god by the left.  Jean-Francois Kerry made a career of trashing the military, from his post-Vietnam accusations that they committed war crimes to his more recent assertions that they break into Iraqi homes in the dead of night and terrorize women and children.  He was tapped to be the dems’ presidential candidate.  Jack al-Murtha accused Marines of murder in Iraq before all the facts were known.  He gets reelected and reelected and reelected.  Etc, etc, etc.  Less overt but no less offensive, the dems treat GI’s as children, victims of Bush’s illegal war, suckered by unscrupulous military recruiters into becoming trained killers because they are too poor to get REAL jobs.  The silence from the left about this disgraceful portrayal of GI’s speaks volumes.

      There is a saying: if you lie down with pigs, you get up smelling like sh*t.

      Until I start seeing democrats roundly and loudly condemn these sorts of outrageous statements from their own leaders, I’ll continue to believe that dems are not only anti-military, but rabidly and hatefully so.

      kevin caughmanWhen Bush was reading a book to grade schoolers as the US was being savagely attacked, I never thought a thing about it, even though the appearance was seized upon by many libs as being a huge error in judgement and showing  abject neglect of the situation.

      And the rank and file went right along with it.  I also would like to add that Bush’s TXANG service was widely denigrated by the left, a modern variation on the meme that the National Guard was nothing but a refuge for cowards during the Vietnam War and that, more broadly, the National Guard isn’t REALLY military service at all.  I was a National Guardsman.  My brother was a National Guardsman.  Our father was a National Guardsman.  Our grandfather was a National Guardsman, invalided out of service when he busted his back during training prior to deploying to Europe in World War II.  Our neighbor was a National Guardsman with NVA shell splinters in his legs.    You may therefore understand why I was mildly (!) irritated by all of this, and why I am sensitive to the fact that dems nodded their heads and went right along with it.

      kevin caughmanThere may be efforts at some point in time, to place all of the blame, of this terrible and senseless crime in the lap of the President and the rest of the Muslim world by some conservatives.   I can only hope that the first and foremost concern with all of the country is with the victims and survivors of this disgusting act of violence.  

      Let’s take this bit by bit:

      Blame – Nobody blames Imeme for what happened at Ft. Hood (unlike lefties who blamed Bush for Katrina, or Abu Ghraib, or 9-11…).  What offends many of us is his predictably tone-deaf, selfish response, which is part ‘n’ parcel of the general disdain accorded the military by his political party.  I will agree with you that there are those on the right who would not have been happy no matter what the jug-eared idiot did, but had he made an immediate and unequivocal statement about his grief, sympathy, and determination to aid the survivors and work to prevent this sort of thing from happening again, the majority of even his harshest critics would have nodded their heads.  Instead, the fool yapped for two minutes about his political goals and gave a “shout out” to a supporter before casually mentioning Ft. Hood, then returned to his pet subject.  While former President Bush drove to Ft. Hood to comfort the families, Imeme is heading for Camp David to practice his wedge shot.

      Muslims – I have written at length on this blog about my belief that “Muslims” should not be blamed, but rather that the perverse ideology of SOME Muslims is to blame, and that particular Muslims and groups who want to harm our country should be dealth with in a fitting manner, whether by investigation and arrest by the FBI or a short, bloody visit from Delta or the SEALs.  I’m sorry to say that many people on the right are making (IMO) more extreme and broad-brush accusations.  I say in their defense, however, that such statements are somewhat of a reaction to an effort by the left to gloss over Hasan’s religion, his associations, and generally try to prevent a “backlash against Muslims” rather than defend our country or even comfort the families at Ft. Hood.  Incidentally, Imeme has cautioned us not to “rush to judgment” about what happened.  I agree.  I wish he had shown such reserve when his pal, Prof. Gates, was arrested and NOT called the police “stupid” even while he ADMITTED that he didn’t know what happened.

      Concern for the victims – I think I’ve covered this above, but let me hit it again: Imeme is at Camp David after giving his “shout out”, and his officials seem much more concerned about a “backlash” than about the people at Ft. Hood.  While I share SOME concern that innocent Muslims (or people who even LOOK Muslim) might suffer, I have faith that the American people will not engage in this sort of indiscriminate payback but, indeed, will demand that justice be done to anybody who behaves in such an odious manner.  Apparently, in addition to their disdain for the military, democrats also believe that vast numbers of Americans are hateful, bigoted vigilante wanna-bes who will use ANY excuse to persecute Muslims (or blacks, or gays, or Latinos, or any other minority in the country).

      I agree that the FIRST concern should be with the survivors and their families, but the very NEXT concern should be with taking such steps as we can within the framework of our traditional liberties and values to stop it happening again.  In my mind, such steps include a vigorous prosecution of the WoT to kill as many jihadists as we can and send a message to the survivors and those countries who want to use them as cats’ paws: attack the United States and we will not rest until you are D-E-A-D, whether blown up by an American bomb, shot by an American soldier, or dangling at the end of an American rope.

      Imeme and the dems, on the other hand, seem more concerned about “negotiating without preconditions” and trying to figure out ways to lose without it being too blatant to cost them votes.  I mean, when they aren’t declaring that we’ve already lost, as Dingy Harry did shortly before the surge in Iraq.  Don’t recall too many dems criticizing him for that, by the way.

      • Docjim 505

        You sir are getting too wordy like me.  I don’t believe for a moment that you actually believe all dems are happy when GI’s die, but if that is your contention then so be it.

        You do have a good point.  I see misguided souls (dems) who have sort an overwhelming sympathy for the men and women that serve in the military.  While I support their efforts (really), they choose the career path they find now find themselves in.  So they like the rest of us endure.  
        And if you don’t mind quit saying I enjoy Reid and support him.  Can’t stand him.  He was not meant for a major leadership role.  And don’t give a “Paducah, Kentucky”  for McConnell.   He looks like a mini me Dennis Hastert, pissed because he is so short and doing nothing but heisting his britches and talking loud.

        The only things the conservatives and dems share for certain are a comparable measure of idiots.  Of course exceptions to you docjim.  No such thing for the McQ guy he is a f…in loser.  You hear that Brian?
         
         

    • Maybe if Janet Napolitano hadn’t been spending so much time scrutinizing “tea-bag people” she could have connected the dots on the worst domestic terrorism since 9/11.

  • What a Clown.
    At least Both ex Pres Bush and wife went to see the soldiers and their families and they actively asked not to tell the media.
    When is BO going to do that?
     
     

    • Around back behind the Bush hatred of the “antiwar” movement, and how that bled into the last two Democratic presidential campaigns, was considerable hatred of America itself. So, when Harry Reid stood as the majority leader of the U.S. Senate and delcared “the war is lost” just as it was being won, that was an act of hatred directed at the American military. There’s no way around it. I’m not using that in the sense of “race hatred,” but in the sense of political hatred. Reid loathed the possibility of victory in Iraq to the point where he sought to deny it.

      In fact, in clear light, Reid’s declaration was an invitation to terrorist insurgents in Iraq to keep up the killing of Americans, because the top Democrat in the U.S. Senate had told them they had won. They had to take that as a sign to keep on killing.

      During his campaign for the presidency, Obama denigrated the war in Iraq. He did not soberly campaign against the idea of it. He villified it. His message to terrorist insurgents in Iraq was “keep up the killing, help is on the way.” Does no one recall how long it took him to let go of the “Reid doctrine,” that the surge was not working?

      Now, what was a military person supposed to make of that? Sure, some actually voted for him. But seriously, what sort of cognitive dissonance comes with the idea that this sort of person is now the commander-in-chief?

      I can’t believe it myself, and I believe whole-heartedly in the civilian control of the military. I know how important the role of commander-in-chief is. It’s critical to everything America is.

      But I don’t see how military people can give their loyalty to a commander-in-chief who effectively invited the enemy to kill their brother under arms in the Iraqi theater. If the question is “who needs him at Ft. Hood?” I’m guessing that the answer is “next to no one.”

      • martin you finally get it.  Of course no one needed him there or Bush as well.  The point is that you have a base commander that had things well in hand, and a base that was locked down, and for really, really good reasons.  If not the President and Vice President, what about the majority and minority leaders being there, what about then appropriate senate and congressional committee members, and the list goes on. 

        Okay, just as you good folks are passionate about many things, as we all should be, all democrats are not your enemies.  “Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. “– James Bovard

    • McQ from the standpoint whether or not the President should make an appearance to show support it is exactly the same.  If my point was not well stated then let me try again.  The last thing needed there is any well meaning official (Like any CiC )who thinks their obligation is to support the efforts there when the only thing they accomplish is to pull resources  like first responders to protect their sorry a$$es.  The last thing needed there at Hood was the President.  They didn’t need Bush there as well!  If you don’t think resources and manpower was diverted from search and rescue operations, sorry McQ. That was just one piece my submission.  The other was the “most democrats’ thing and how most of us don’t care.    The last thing any critical action or situation needs is some high falutin official showing up at a closed base just because he or she can.  Ask the good folks trying to deal with searching  the entire base that was locked down until it could be determined that everyone was good to go.  I think Obama’s concern for the tragedy and the loss of life was enough.  When 911 happened I don’ t think there was any pointing fingers about Bush not being boots on the ground and for a reason.  He would have disrupted ops.   
       

      • The base came off of lock down that night, Kevin. It was over. He could have been at Ft. Hood the next day and not disrupted a thing. But he damn sure would have given a tremendous boost to a very shaken community, one, it appears, he’s going to ask to sacrifice even more in the coming years. And he couldn’t get off his dead ass and make that trip? Instead after 24 rounds of golf during his 9 month presidency, he needed “R&R” at Camp David.

        Give me a freakin’ break.

        • You only attack if there is a bit of light, as you say look at the orignal post and see what is to me the broad contention that most dems did not care.   You know most dems didn’t care about the babies and GI’s thing.  

          The outpouring was genuine and real from every point in the US, by every person.  Give me a break!   Seems to me that “dead assing around”  seems to manifest itself with many leaders.

          And indeed he will ask for more sacrifice to fulfill the requirements of his military leadershipe is requesting.   Remember it was the dems that agreed with the Repubs that a war had to be fought based on best available info.  Is it now totally Obama’s war, with no “Pound of Flesh” for conservatives in the mix?  

          Oh, and Eisenhower was now at 85 rounds his first year at this time.  Tell me how any of that makes a  s..t..g difference.  We all despise the tragedy of Hood. 

          • I don’t remember mentioning “dems” anywhere in the post. I remember quite well talking about the duties of a Commander in Chief, which by the way, have nothing to do with “Katrina.”

            The dem strawman is yours. Enjoy the tussle.

            In the meantime you still haven’t answered the salient question – when do you suppose this guy will get off his dead ass and begin to assume the role of Commander in Chief? Or is golf and Camp David what we’re destined to see instead of leadership for the next 3 years.

            I suppose I shouldn’t be too hard on him, really. As I mentioned in another post, its hard to expect a jackal to be anything other than a jackal and it is a waste of time expecting otherwise. So it also goes, I suppose, with a legislator and community organizer who has never led anyone or done anything. I shouldn’t be upset then when he acts like a legislator and community organizer who has never led anyone or done anything.

            We all despise the tragedy of Hood

            Yup, but only one of us is the Commander in Chief, Kevin. And it is time that one started acting like it. Command isn’t an easy thing, but it damn sure has certain responsibilities. He wanted it. He got it. Now he needs to man up and live up to those responsibilities he sought. And to this point, in my eyes and those of the majority of the military (read the milblogs if you doubt it) he’s been chosen to lead, he hasn’t.

            You may not like it, and you’re certainly engaged in some pretty interesting spin trying to discredit the point, but I see it as more spin than argument. Fact is he should have gone to Ft. Hood and he should have done it this weekend. And the fact he didn’t won’t be forgotten, trust me.

      • “McQ from the standpoint whether or not the President should make an appearance to show support it is exactly the same. ”  Nope, sorry, it’s called MORALE, there’s no substitute for that article and you can’t issue it, you have to build it.
        I’m not accusing democrats of not caring, I’m sure there are people in the country who took pleasure in the attack, I’m sure they came from left and right, and all for their own reasons.   I’m sure there are democrats who are just a appalled and sorry as any ‘conservative’.
        But Obama needed to come down, specifically to demonstrate to the men and women who stand up to the flying lead that he CARED.  By staying away, worse yet, heading to Camp David, he sent them a very very clear signal.  Just because YOU don’t understand the message they received doesn’t mean THEY don’t.
        No one wanted him on the first plane available at 2:00 PM that day, when there were reports of 3 attackers etc. Stop trying to imply we wanted him to take up a side arm and join the hunt for the attackers.    That’s NOT his job, we get that.  However, the next morning, when the smoke had cleared and the wounded were under treatment, and the dead had been decently taken care of, that WOULD have been appropriate.  Perhaps not to meet with the specific families as that would probably be a too soon, they were still more than likely in shock.   But certainly to show the armed forces he gave a rat’s ass.  He  failed this time on the points that WERE his job.
        The first responder, lock down, interrupting ops things?  Excuses.  And don’t even try to draw a parallell between an armed attacker on an Army base and 2 planes flying into a  major metropolitan building in a city like New York.    The scope difference is as a stock pond is to an ocean.

        • okay i reread the blog about leadership and CiC.  Seems like these strings go off in different directions, and I like many are guilty. 

          “I am not impressed. You may say I was set up not to be impressed simply because of my ideological preferences and the fact that Barack Obama is the antithesis of those preferences. But this has nothing to do with politics. ”

          Let me get this straight.  You aren’t impressed with his lack of CiC leadership skills, not because of your ideological preferences and it has nothing to do with politics.  Sure it has nothing to do with politics.

          What were you saying about his leadership when he deployed 23, 000 troops in February that should have been deployed earlier than that? 

          I will read you response, but I am not going to keep posting and keep posting.  time to move on.  So you get the last word McQ. 

          Ok

          • I’m not impressed with his leadership as CiC regardless of his politics.

            Why’s that so hard for you to figure out?

            BTW the 23,000 he deployed was what the Bush administration had planned to send – you know the review and plan he and is advisers have denied ever existed? Yeah – that one.

            How much leadership did that take?

    • Capt joe,
      Yes at least  Bush meant well at Katrina, I support and applaud his efforts.  The fact remains that his arrival caused a huge diversion of resources and search and rescue operations, were for the most part, stood down, as h as he assured the citizens of NO, that all was well.  The mistakes made were not ill intentioned by him being there, but they were huge.  Okay Obama should have been there?  Maybe so, but I suspect is you ask responders about diverting resources they may disagree.   And that pretty well sums it up for me.  (s e)

      • Okay, suppose he goes to Scott & White in Temple, where many of the wounded were taken.  He doesn’t even have to land at Fort Hood if you’re worried about interfering with the ‘ops’ and distracting the first responders.  He can land at one of several military airports that will support a jet the size of Air Force One if we’re worried about sending the local civilian airports into a tizzy, and take a helicopter to Scott & White.
        But it didn’t happen, it still hasn’t happened.    When do you suppose he’ll get around to paying these people a personal visit from their Commander in Chief?
         

      • I was talking about Bush’s arrival at Fort Hood, not post Katrina or New Orleans

  • Even now Kev, you’re campaigning Imeme against the last President.  9/11, Katrina, etc.
     
    The best you can do is come up with excuses for why Imeme’s not doing a job we think he should be doing, and pointing to Bush as reasons why it’s okay for him not to be a leader.  All you need to do now is promise that he’ll be different if we elect him.

  • I think it’s important to realize that there are many valid PoV concerning leadership…most of them reside on the Left, of course.  Obama is “nurturer” and a “thinker”…with that Christ-like visage he Transforms the World.  It is not the same sort of He-man Macho John Wayne Gaia Dominating method of “leadership” to which many were accustomed to for the last disastrous eight years! 

    I feel healed and made better that Obama-care passed, and what helped get it thru was the POTUS mentioning this tragedy to Democratic House Conference!  We are made better, stronger, more whole every day under this therapeutic regime.  I understand why some, the more addled, Kool-Aid swillers of the Wingnut Universe, and those who suffer from the False Consciousness of the Phalli-centric System of Thought might be confused by this more “Feminine” Leadership, but it IS leadership nonetheless, and leadership of a first class nature.  Leadership that will carry this damaged country thru to its eventual recovery and assumption of its rightful, if much smaller place in the global village.

  • Change? A healthy person getting cancer, is also called change.
    America is getting a brutal lesson of : “Be careful of what you ask for, because you just might get it”
    I never thought I would be missing ‘ol dopey George, so quickly.

  • looker,  

    Whether he is doing a good job or not, whether he is considered a terrible leader by his opponents means little.  If he is successful then he will be elected, if not he won’t.   Elections are all about the good guys getting rid of the bad guys (not my comment just quoting the  author).  That is the ongoing initiative for not only republicans and democrats but for all political opponents.   I just think in this instance whether or not he was there is really inconsequential to the fact that so much has been lost.  

    • Yeah, but see, in this case, it’s our danged old volunteer military we’re talking about, not the voters,  so you can play the ‘we won!’ card if you like by discussing the voters.  We’re talking about silly esoteric concepts that hold an army together, like honor, and morale, and leadership, and the President’s demonstration the he lacks the leadership necessary to help improve and/or maintain the quality of the other two.
      “whether he is considered a terrible leader by his opponents means little.”  yep and to some point I agree with you on the ‘point’, except that’s not the point.  The point is what it means to the troops under his command.  Sorry, I don’t think you’re getting the idea on this.
      “I just think in this instance whether or not he was there is really inconsequential to the fact that so much has been lost.  ”  Yeah, and just as you disregard the opinions of ‘his opponents’ I think it’s safe to say the troops will disregard your opinion about what it means to them in terms of how they feel about him.  Rightly in showing discipline and respect, they really can’t say much about it officially other than to perhaps reflect that it might have made them feel better if he had taken time out from his busy time at Camp David to pay them a visit.
       
      Kevin, I don’t want you to think I think you’re a crappy person, I just think on this one you’re as wrong as he is.   Difference is, you’re not the Commander in Chief, so we can disagree about it without it having any lasting effect, what it will do to HIS command is another story.

    • Yeah, that’s always the case, Kevin. Doesn’t mean he’s worth spit as a CiC though.

  • Stop the internets, a right wing blogger has no respect for a liberal president!

  • Whether he is doing a good job or not, whether he is considered a terrible leader by his opponents means little. 

    Absolutely, look at the people who called Bush a Failure…they were  merely Political Opponents and Ignored….We need to look past any criticisms of the Current POTUS, and focus on the work that needs to be done.  Leave all the arguing about “Leadership” good, bad or indifferent to the Future Historians, such as myself, or the pundits like Chris Matthews.

    Really we need to STOP TALKING ABOUT ANY PERCEIVED FLAWS OF OBAMA!  Stop it now…they are futile and silly maunderings designed to take our eyes off the prize of Systemic Transformation of the US Polity?  In that arena, who cares if the POTUS went to see a few Neo-Nazi Goons in Ft. Hood after some Revolutionary People’s Justice was Served or if he waited a month or two to show up whilst awarding a Diversity Prize or a Stimulus Cheque for a Sustainable Eco-Friendly Mulch Farm in the area?
     
    Plus with all the PTSD that is so catchy, do we REALLY want Obama on that Post, where the PTSD Cooties could infest him or Michelle, as they did that poor Dr. Hasan?
     

    • O we dems are so relieved we now have yet another scerb, writing for the glorious democratic post modernistic world as he sees it.  It is so refreshing to note that even though he may appear to be looking down his nose at those “Dense Righties’ he doesn’t imply that the Dense Righties are simply celebrating the seductiveness of their nut brown bodies. He does so decree they aren’t.  I like Ott Scerb better.  Or brE ttocS are you Scerb’s mini tru, or I mean mini me? 

      • What’s the prob Kev, babee?

        • I am just pissed because Obama will never go to Ft. Hood to see the troops and visit the victims families or the survivors and their families.  Joe I heard Dennis Miller say that about John Edwards and thought it was humerous.   I like to see scerb like comments, and especially enjoy his writing style.

          That stupid Obama just doesn’t get seeing the troops though.  I wonder if a little stewed crow is in order.  Oh, wait since he didn’t go down there until today the CiC still has no sense of leadership.

          • “Oh, wait since he didn’t go down there until today the CiC still has no sense of leadership.”
             
            Hey you DO get it!  Oh, wait, you’re being sarcastic right?  Yeah, ya know man, I admit, so am I.

  • brE ttocSI  feel healed and made better that Obama-care passed, and what helped get it thru was the POTUS mentioning this tragedy to Democratic House Conference!

    Ah, yes.  Thank you for bringing this up.  Apparently, the same President Imeme who (rightly) urged us all to avoid “rushing to judgement” about the murderer at Ft. Hood was a bit more (shall we say?) judgmental about people opposed to the health care takeover.  I also note that the same President Imeme who can’t be bothered to visit the troops at Ft. Hood (indeed, can’t be bothered to visit them at all unless he’s got photographers along) had no trouble giving a pep talk to members of his own party to push his legislative agenda:

    Mr. Obama, during his private pep talk to Democrats, recognized Mr. Owens’s election and then posed a question to the other lawmakers. According to Representative Earl Blumenauer of Oregon, who supports the health care bill, the president asked, “Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care? All it will do is confuse and dispirit” Democratic voters “and it will encourage the extremists.”  [emphasis mine - dj505]

    Note how the same President Imeme who doesn’t want to “rush to judgement” about Hasan has no problem calling his political opponents “extremists”.

    What a guy!  What a leader!  It’s no wonder lefties practically worship him!

  • Someday, many, many years from now, When he dies of old age. They will put his body on display with the presidential seal and an American flag.  That will be the first and last time he looks or acts presidential.

  • Its very instructive to compare the golf games of Bush and Obama. Bush stopped playing because he knew the families might see it in the paper and because he knew the media would eventually find it and excellent populist cudgel against him.
    Obama has no such worries. Not only does he not care if the families see him golfing (unless he doesn’t know Bush stopped?) but he is also completely blissfully not afraid of the media on this issue. I bet it comes back to bite him. At some point it becomes a meme, just when he won’t like it. The DemSM is keeping track, just not trumpeting it, yet. Maybe in 2013 I am guessing.
    BTW, now its not just about the military families but the unemployed who would like Obama to get back to his desk and get some work done. (Yes, I know you can work on the links, especially fundraising!, but the unemployed aren’t going to see it like that.)

  • If you buy a Chevy Vega, and pilot it as if it were a Corvette, who is to pity you, when you wrap it around a tree?
    Did any one who voted for 0-bama, bother to examine his executive experience? Or lack thereof…
    Anyone who didn’t see this coming, I refuse associate with.  I call it: avoiding “secondary stupidity”.
    My “intellectual” friends are still scratching their (egg-shaped) heads.
    Ignorance is curable, stupidity is forever.

    • Constitution First,

      It appears that the CiC did indeed plan to go to Ft. Hood to honor those fallen and demonstrate his respect for not only them but to the military and those that serve.   And that he has done.  This on the birthday of the Marine Corps and the day before Veterans Day.  

      • Heh, yeah, go head and tell yourself that he was waiting for the Corp’s birthday (Happy Birthday Marine!) and Veterans day to honor them.   As opposed to slipping in quietly without the press to visit the wounded the day after (which IS what he SHOULD have done). Even a tone deaf dolt had to be hearing the rumbling going on.
        Showing up nearly a week later is not leadership, and never will be.
        What you see here Kevin is a more than adequate demonstration of the difference between a real leader and President Imeme.
        You were willing to cut him slack for failure to show up sooner, so showing up at ALL to you seems to be a sign that he’s a suitable leader.  If you were a girl on a date, I guess a drive through McDonalds Happy Meal would be as acceptable to you as a nice dinner at a classy restaurant.  That’s the President you’ve got Kev, the McDonald’s Happy Meal kind.
        Color me still unimpressed.

  • Okay get your drift.  You don’t think he will ever be a leader.   You are right and I agree with you totally.   Oh, by the way the former President was a Macky Dee’s Kid’s Meal light.