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All you need to know about Canada’s health care system…

…is encapsulated in this short CBC story.

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States.

CBC News confirmed Monday that Williams, 59, left the province earlier in the day and will have surgery later in the week.

The premier’s office provided few details, beyond confirming that he would have heart surgery and saying that it was not necessarily a routine procedure.

So, nobody can do it in St. Johns or Mt. Pearl?  OK, maybe not.  I mean, it’s Newfoundland, for Cripes sake!  But, still, no room at a Halifax or or Moncton hospital, eh?  Nobody qualified to perform the procedure in Quebec, Montreal, Ottowa or Toronto?

How is it that the Canadian health care system is just fine for all the little people, but when a provincial premier hears the thump of mortality in his chest, it’s off to Cedars-Sinai,  Sloan-Kettering, or Mayo?

‘S’funny how that works, huh?

But don’t worry.  When we get our free health care down here in the US, everything will be tiddly.

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31 Responses to All you need to know about Canada’s health care system…

  • socialism= rationed medicine.

  • That’s “ALL WE NEED TO KNOW”  about the Canadian system?
    Like “ALL WE NEED TO KNOW ” about the American system is that it’s BROKEN

    • Yes indeed, broken, which is why people from other countries come here, to use OUR broken system when their’s works so well.  The entire point of the post lost.

      “what…welll….uh….ours is broken!  that’s all we need to know”.

      Obviously, you are one of ‘those’ people.

  • Great post and I hope this little episode gets a lot of talk radio time just enough to bury the last hopes of ruining the US health care system with a Canada-lite disaster.
    Yes, the elites always can come south to Boca for sun or Mayo for health, but the rest of Canada freezes in their inadequate hospital/health network—or so my Canuck friends in Boca tell me.   They prefer to live longer in a private American healthcare system than chance getting in an endless queue in the Frozen Great White North.
     

  • Just like Congress, the unions and other government employees will be exempt from the full consequences of Health Care “Reform”.

  • Michael Moore in Sicko told us stories about how Americans went to Cuba for health care; using unusual and isolated situations to try and prove a larger point.
     
    Must have been an attractive tactic.
     
    Good work.

    • Certainly. Because we know there’s absolutely no difference between a known liar and propagandist discussing anonymous schmoes and a respectable report from multiple media organizations concerning someone notable. No difference at all.

    • Pogue can’t attack the message (Canadian Leader ditches his own glorious healthcare system to get his cure in the broken, no-good US system) so he tries to cloud the issue in this way.

      • Besides, Pogue, if Moore is right, why isn’t that Canadian minister down in Cuba getting his operation right now?

        • Yeah, Pogue – why not? And why did Fidel go outside Cuba for HIS surgery?
          And why are we here in Arizona hip deep in Canadians at our old folks parks?

        • Why aren’t ALL Canadians down here in the US getting their health care?
           
          The point is, using unusual anecdotes to prove a larger point is both absurd and ineffective.
          “All I Need to Know” is bullsh!t.
           
          You don’t like Moore’s Cuba stunt?  Fine.  Pick any story from a wide array of why people do what they do.
          We know that many, many people drive to Canada to get prescription drugs.  Does that prove that their system is better than ours???  Does it?
          Of course not.
          It’s the same when someone touts a story of some Canadian Premier of Newfoundland who chooses to go to the US for heart surgery.  It doesn’t prove a goddamn thing.  And you know it.  And Dale knows it… Hell, I’ll bet even shark knows it.
           
          But you guys keep touting these “All I Need To Know” anecdotes as proof that our system is better than theirs.  See how far that gets you in the debate.
          I can see it now… Some middle-class dude with four kids struggling to pay for health insurance for his family and he’s thinking that some kind of government plan wouldn’t be so bad.  And then you guys come along and… “Don’t be foolish.  Don’t you see?  The Premier of Labrador came here for heart surgery!!  Dontcha’ feel better now.”
           
          You’ll be better off just sticking to the numbers.
           
          Cheers.

          • “It doesn’t prove a goddamn thing.”
            Hyperbole of the post title aside, it sure is interesting.  Why would a high ranking state official being coming to the US for health care?  At the very least it’s politically tone deaf, at the worst it signifies a major flaw in the CAN system.

    • Reminds me of all those stories about old people eating dog food because they couldn’t afford regular food.
      They conveniently forgot to mention that dog food, per pound was much more expensive and the old farts had Alzheimer’s and various other mental issues.
      But then, the left has serious mental issues as well as evidenced by their inability to make critical differentiations.
      Good work indeed, Pogue.

      • Don’t tell me that you believed that I was putting up the Cuban health care system to be a good one?!
        Because that’s the whole point of my comment… That you can take a story of where Americans had found health care in Cuba to be better than US health care by default, and turn that unusual anecdote into some absurd argument for socialized medicine.
         
        I thought that even you would get that.

    • It’s an attractive story for the media because apparently this fellow is a fervent defender of Canada’s single-payer approach to health care.  So it’s ironic that he would choose to come to the USA for health care for himself.

      • “So it’s ironic that he would choose to come to the USA for health care for himself.”
        I don’t think the word you seek is Ironic – I think the word sounds more like the word “hypocritical”.  Awwwww heck, it doesn’t just sound like it, it IS it.
         
        Can I just say our system is broke (where broke means people with workings systems abandon their own and use ours), that seems to be the meme.

    • Seriously Pogue, that’s the best you’ve got?

  • Some of you seem to equate “broken” with poor quality. That is not what’s broken about America’s healthcare system. I don’t think anyone would argue that in America we have the world’s leading hospitals, physicians, surgeons, research teams, etc. You really couldn’t find better. The problem is that they’re only available to a select few & millions of Americans may as well be living in another country for all the good it does them. The system is BROKEN, no question. Until that world-class healthcare is available to ALL Americans who need it, the system does not work & is failing the majority of its people.

    • So Jessica, how would you fix it?

    • “The problem is that they’re only available to a select few”

      Even using the dubious figure of 47 million uninsured,  that ‘select few’ seems to cover quite a few people.

      • Thank you!  My thinking exactly, if it’s not absolutely everyone it seems, it’s only a select few that have it.   I gather all those hospitals, clinics, etc are mostly echoing halls, empty of patients, waiting for the ‘select few’ to require health care.
         

    • “the system does not work & is failing the majority of its people.”

      Pure nonsense.

  • “Why aren’t ALL Canadians down here in the US getting their health care?”
    You don’t know the answer to that?  It’s basically the same as “why aren’t all American’s putting their kids in private high school?”

  • I figure that the Canadian health system is fine for most of the health problems that most of the people experience.  It’s the specialized problems that kill in a socialized medicine environment but are treatable in a for-profit system. Also the QOL problems such as joint replacements are just lived with in a socialized medicine world.

  • I’ve been in critical care nursing for 15 years, before that a pararescue in the military…the quality of US healthcare is shit…..for middle class and lower – today’s physicians are careless and lacking in experience. Insurance has molded the physician into a puppet, a drug dealer and a hack. Corporate greed keeps America from becoming the best it CAN be…so they bullshit the public and even themselves, by patting themselves on the back and coming up with these heinous quality of care awards.

  • Danny Williams has about 200 million dollars in the bank, so he can go where he wants and do what he wants. Will some giant cardiac institute in huge American city offer more cutting edge treatment than the Health Sciences Centre in St. John’s with a population of 150,000? Um, duh….Danny can afford be be flown into orbit to have his heart operated on in zero gravity if necessary, doesn’t mean 99.5% of the population can do the same. Here or in the states. HMOs aren’t going to pay to send someone in Wichita to Loma Linda. We have a good, but not perfect system in Canada, one that could be fixed by getting universities to increase the number of MD candidates they admit, and by allowing for SOME private clinics to offer services to those who want to pay extra. But the majority of Canadians are VERY happy with our system, no matter what Rush Windbag or Hannity or anyone else says. We live longer than y’all. We spend less money on our system. We aren’t as paranoid about paying taxes as y’all – taxes and insurance premiums to private companies don’t seem too hugely different to me.
    And, rationed care, my -ss! People who say these things don’t know what they are talking about and have an agenda. The HMOs and big insurance are PAYING THEM OFF.
    I am here in Canada, 1 hour from the border, have a family doctor I love and was free to choose, can call and get an appointment within a day and regularly get asthma tests and medication. My Dad passed away from emphysema (not to mention a host of complications)  at 75 after a life of smoking, but not before our horrific “socialized” (cuz ya know, Lenin and Stalin are peering around every corner up here, WATCHING) medical system provided him with first class hospital care for 6 months. Over the course of his illness, doctors in modern hospitals in three provinces saw to it that he had: effective treatment for angina, CT scans, MRIs, medication (we too have private insurance for that), and regular visits. Never ONCE did he or my Mom complain of wait times or lack of access to the system. Nor has anyone else I’ve ever known around here. And yet miraculously, the right wing in the States manage to dig these people up for commercial spots who have such nightmarish horror stories. Reminds me of all those other credible programs on US tv: Ghost Hunters, Cris Angel Mindfreak, Inside Edition, Infomercials.
    I lived in South Korea, and it was a decent PARTIALLY public system there. Our system needs changes, but even our Conservative Prime Minister Baby Bush wouldn’t be insane enough to try to do away with our national health system. He’d get clobbered in our FULLY DEMOCRATIC elections. (so the US is NOT the only place with freedom????!) Why don’t we just privatize the fire department, the police and the military while we’re at it? LOL