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Party, president and politics will cost Democrats in November

Howard Fineman opens his latest Newsweek article with this:

A Democratic senator I can’t name, who reluctantly voted for the health-care bill out of loyalty to his party and his admiration for Barack Obama, privately complained to me that the measure was political folly, in part because of the way it goes into effect: some taxes first, most benefits later, and rate hikes by insurance companies in between.

So, there it is – America, screwed by slavish loyalty to party and president.  And the people?  Well this was about politics, pure and simple, as this unnamed Senator admits.  And only now he realizes the political folly – he and the party are screwed.

Pardon me if I don’t shed a tear.

The bill remains hugely unpopular, the people remain very uneasy and they are very aware of the fact that they were totally and unequivocally ignored while being fed absolute BS to justify this power grab:

Brown won in Massachusetts for a reason. The Democrats had failed to make their case for this reform to the American public. They pressed the case for some sort of reform, but that was easy: the country was already there. What the country dislikes is this particular bill, and the Democrats, intent on arguing among themselves, barely even tried to change its mind.

People struggle to understand how extending health insurance to 32 million Americans, at a cost of a trillion dollars over ten years, can be a deficit-reducing measure. If cuts in Medicare will pay for half of that outlay, as the plan intends, they struggle to see how the quality of Medicare’s services can be maintained–let alone improved, as Pelosi said again in her speech on Sunday. The CBO notwithstanding, the public is right not to believe these claims.

And that’s from a guy who was pleased the legislation passed.  He thought it about time that the US joined the rest of the world in their rationed medical misery.

It’s a turkey and even Fineman knows it. 2/3rds in a USA Today poll say the bill goes too far.  Tell me again there’s no market for repeal or, if not total repeal, drastic changes in the bill.

Party, president and politics were the three priorities that were put in front of the people.  In November the people have their say about those priorities.  And I think it should be clear to those who voted for it, despite all their happy talk about how wonderful this is, that they’re going to pay.

And that brings me to the latest nonsense passing as punditry – that by passing this Obama has increased his prestige and power.  Maybe among Democrats – but among the rest of us, as poll after poll indicate, not so much.  Obama’s made it abundantly clear through out this process that he’s not a man to be trusted, that he’s a pure partisan party hack who purposely alienated the opposing party and that he talks out of both sides of his mouth. He used every bit of his political capital to pass a health care monstrosity.  Like the country he’s broke and he still hasn’t made the sale where it matters most.  It is clear that during all of this, he and the Democrats have lost the independent voters who were so critical to their rise to power and they’re most likely not coming back. And he’s somehow “increased” his power and prestige?

With a result like that, I’d hate to see him “decrease” it.

~McQ

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18 Responses to Party, president and politics will cost Democrats in November

  • That kind of bad news has been hammering the UK’s health service for some time now.  See the “Related Articles” links on the same page to see even more effects of the crushing burden that health care has become.  Proponents of nationalized health care point at such systems around the world, but most of those nations are already pretty deep into a cycle of budget cuts, service cuts, rationing, downgrade of quality, and spiraling deficits in spite of those efforts.  That Telegraph article serves as a stark reminder that when things get tight, health care becomes just one more budgetary item on the menu, subject to cutbacks and reductions.
     
    The USA is facing a series of very large deficits in the coming years, and many states are facing large budget gaps that have to be covered some way.  Aside from some of the items that have been discussed in blogs and articles (a VAT, for example) you have to wonder how long it will take for the government to decide that the fine for not purchasing health insurance is too small and too easy to avoid?

  • {chuckle} LOL. You dense righties are so sure this bill is hated and scorned, when all the polls commissioned by leftist organizations show the opposite. And of course, leftist organizations are the only ones who can be wise and objective about it. So you’re just wrong, and it’s sad, really sad, that you can’t admit that and also admit the intelligence, compassion, wit, and general superiority of wise leftists with godlike powers of political science.

    Like me, of course, with my advanced degrees, which were obtained with vigorous analysis, just like the analysis I offer you thick righties when I come here and comment. Of course, you don’t recognize my analysis. You just insult me. You shouldn’t ignore my analysis. It’s good solid analysis that certainly does not derive from leftist talking points, and you guys definitely need to read more analysis. Besides, I just love the word analysis. Analysis, analysis, analysis. Just love it. And I especially love presenting my analysis to you dense righties to educate you and raise you above your ignorant station, and I certainly don’t present my analysis because I get psychological satisfaction from talking down to you. So stop saying that. LOL {chuckle}

    Even if you win elections this fall, it won’t matter. The people you elect will be magically transmuted into wise leftists as soon as they take office. It’s always worked that way. Nixon and Reagan did leftist things, even though they were elected to oppose we wise leftists. Reagan expanded government and expanded debt and that’s not the fault of Democrats in Congress, no sir. See, my analysis says that even though Reagan didn’t have a majority most of the time, some of the Democrats were secretly on his side, so they collaboratted in growing government while reducing taxes, which put us in this mess.

    Because it can’t be the fault of wise compassionate leftists. It just can’t be. See, the difference is that wise compassionate leftists also grow government, but they’re perfectly willing to raise taxes until people’s noses bleed to pay for their programs. And they certainly don’t come up with flimsy economic rationaliazations about the costs of programs and how much money their taxes will raise to grow government too big. Because government can never be too big. I decree it.

    But I worry about debt. I do! Stop laughing! The fact that I supported Obamacare doesn’t contradict that! It just doesn’t! Stop laughing, I said. You sound like hyenas. See, we all just need to sit down together, respectfully, with both sides airing their grievances, and work things out. Then money would magically appear that would pay for all the stuff we politely agreed needs to be done. I have analysis that says so. And government would continue to get bigger and wise leftists would continue to grow their control over society, but you dense righties would feel like you were important and part of the process, so you would stop sabotaging our wise and wonderful efforts to achieve leftist utopia.

    I’ve written extensively about this at my blog. And all my analysis at my blog is well supported, with many links to other analysis on my blog. So come read my analysis. Analysis, analysis, analysis. {chuckle} LOL. {eyes rolling}

  • If the Democrats will suffer because of the bill, we’ll see in November.   One Senator’s opinion is one Senator’s opinion — and there are many with different opinions.   Everyone can cherry pick the opinion they want to agree with.  Don’t be surprised though if despite loses the Democrats keep the majority, and Obama has a tail wind going into 2012.  Politics is a strange thing, opinions and issues can change on a dime.   That’s why it’s really impossible to know what will happen.  Obama’s approvals are still above where Clinton and Reagan’s were at this point, but far below where George H.W. Bush was.

    • If the Democrats will suffer because of the bill, we’ll see in November. See on the one hand, all those leftist-funded opinion polls say there will be no impact. But on the other hand, if Republicans like Reagan do get elected, they just end up doing leftist things anyway. So now I have talked out of all four sides of my mouth, so that no matter what happens this fall, I get to come back and crow that I was right. That’s the kind of wonderful analysis I give you dense righties. Analysis, analysis, analysis. And if you think otherwise, you doth protest too much.

      One Senator’s opinion is one Senator’s opinion — and there are many with different opinions. Everyone can cherry pick the opinion they want to agree with. Of course, I don’t ever do that. I didn’t just cherry pick my opinion of Reagan as simultaneously the guy who started all our problems and also working to expand government with a secret cabal of Democrats. Nope. That’s rigorous analysis, not cherry-picking. Analysis, analysis, analysis. Only you Nazi-like climate deniers around here do cherry picking. And that makes you post-modernists, as I’ve said before. LOL.

      Don’t be surprised though if despite loses the Democrats keep the majority, and Obama has a tail wind going into 2012. Isn’t that a great phrase? “Don’t be surprised” I mean. It’s one of those great all-purpose things I inject into my analysis so I sound wise and get to crow that I was right no matter how things turn out. Another one is “I suspect.”

      Politics is a strange thing, opinions and issues can change on a dime. Let’s see, can I insert any more weasel words concerning this whole situation? No, I think that’s enough. Well, maybe just a few more: That’s why it’s really impossible to know what will happen. Obama’s approvals are still above where Clinton and Reagan’s were at this point, but far below where George H.W. Bush was. And no, I don’t have to find any links that support that finding. And don’t you dare bring up the fact that Bush’s rating shot up less than a year after he was in office and didn’t come down until the end of his second term, and Obama has been in office over a year and is sinking. Don’t you dare. Because my analysis, which certainly isn’t cherry-picked opinion, is that Obama is a transformational figure with a Christ-like visage.

      But you thick righties just don’t get that. That’s why I come here and study you for my research. You’re like aborigines, with your bizarre tea party rituals, and your obsession with Sarah Palin’s full lips, ample bosom, and winks through her naughty librarian glasses. If you were modern civilized political creatures, you would dig on Nancy Pelosi, who has shown just how great a politican she is by working with Obama to give people government run healthcare whether they want it or not. Now, there’s a wise leftist leader!

      • A number of my very liberal friends were utterly shocked that GWB could be popular enough to be re-elected in 2004.
        I’m seeing a similar level of insular echo-chambering amongst my very conservative friends now.  I’m curious if there will be a similar occurrence in 2012.

        • I think there was a residual well of good feelings for Bush in 2004 due to his handling of 9/11. And, Iraq hadn’t yet gotten out of hand and was still a war most supported. I think those two factors weighed heavily on his reelection in 2004. I see no such factors present now for Obama. Whether there will be any of that prior to 2012, I obviously don’t know – but I don’t think, at this time, there’s a relevant comparison to be made.

          • Bush did a bunch of things that were very conservative: refused involvement in the ICC, dumped the ABM treaty, amped up SDI a bit. He was a pretty determined war fighter.

            His big failure: After taking the huge political risk of running on at least some privatization of Socialist Insecurity he punked out with a dreadfully weak effort.

            Also, while he campaigned hard against the Democrats, he didn’t fight them hard enough in the everyday arena. He had no capacity for returning the endless political fire they directed at him.

            He’s a likable man, who kept the country safe, but the real threat to this country is internal, and it comes from the Left, and it’s now got its man in the White House.

            Jihadists blow up buldings. The Left destroys entire civilizations.

            I also don’t like Bush (or his father) being pals with Bill Clinton, a thoroughgoing slob and bona fide psychopath, though in the end less dangerous than the narcissist currently in charge of the national security apparatus of the United States.

        • I agree with McQ: had it not been for 9-11, I think Bush would not have had a second term.  His big-spending, big-government ways were not especially popular with the conservatives in the GOP, but they (we?) were willing to overlook them in light of his strong stand on the WoT.  I also suggest that Bush was personally likable in a way that Imeme is most assuredly NOT.

        • Well, he did win a relatively close election even though Kerry struck me as a pretty poor candidate.  Obama is not a slam dunk to lose in 2012 because the economy could rebound (although it would be in spite of the damage being done to it) and because the Republican nominee may simply be bad enough that voters will prefer the devil they know.  This November looks to be very bad for Democrats.  Two years after that, is anyone’s guess.

          • I second that.
            Kerry was a piss-poor candidate.  Voters didn’t like Bush, but they didn’t like Kerry even more.  Had the Dems run a likable candidate, they probably would have won.  Funny thing is, the best thing to ever happen to Obama was the defeat Bush handed Kerry.  (But remember, Kerry was only a couple of hundred thousand votes away in Ohio from victory.  Just sayin’)
             
            There’s a lesson to be learned there, not that politicians are any good at learning new lessons – or even old ones.  Like Tonus stated, the GOP has to put up a viable candidate.
            2012 is a long ways off, so everyone here is speculating – hell, half you guys couldn’t predict the 2008 election not but six months out.  And I can’t resist going back to the delicious well… which sprung McPhillips predicting an Obama loss by ten.  By TEN!!! LOL.
            The GOP has to find a good candidate, or no matter what Obama’s approvals are – save an utter catastrophe – the GOP will lose.
            ATM, there is no such candidate the GOP has to offer.
             
            Palin – a national joke.
            McCain – been there, done that.
            Romney – has RomneyCare in Mass. around his neck.
            Gingrich – yes, because America wants a mean Captain Kangaroo for a president.
            Boehner – can you say “Oompa Loompa”?  I bet you can, and so can everyone else.
            Who’s next?  Glenn Beck? NOT!!
             
            Maybe one will surface.  We’ll see.
             
            Cheers.

  • This idiot Senator merely voted out of loyalty?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..cheap date. Other Senators got much more in kickbacks than he did

  • The health care legislation is garbage. Obama has thrown a half-dozen monkey wrenches, already, with more to come, into the gears of economic recovery (and that includes that rotten stimulus package, which was largely a political payoff disguised as economic urgency).

    Voters warned Obama in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts. He went ahead with the health care takeover anyway. Everyone saw it. Even where they tepidly supported it, that will fade as the thing continues to stink up the place.

    I was more worried about America a year ago, when I thought that it would never wake up.

    It has woken up, and it is bloody angry, and should be.

    The latest desperate attempt by the corrupt media to blame that anger on race over the last weekend is proof that beneath the surface the people who did this thing to us a scared and desperate.

    They should be.

    • And a P.S. to that: What is happening in foreign policy should be of great concern as well.

      These people bring the same sort of detachment from reality to international affairs that they brought to their health care monstrosity.

      One small laboratory for their proclivities is the situation in Honduras. It’s a small laboratory, but it’s not a small matter. It’s the ultimate tell about these people and their approach to the world.

      Of most immediate importance is how much damage they will do to America between now and November.

      Keep an eye on the EPA today, as they attempt to criminalize a vital minor atmospheric gas, which we all exhale after each breath, as part of the Warming fantasy.

      This is a power mad Marxist regime that believes not that it governs the country, but that it owns it.

  • Arlen Specter is toast.

  • … the measure was political folly, in part because of the way it goes into effect: some taxes first, most benefits later, and rate hikes by insurance companies in between.

    Well, gosh, Beav!  Putting the tax hikes in at the begining was the only way the dems could claim that the bill would reduce the deficit.  And this fool voted for that.  He didn’t just set aside politics for his president and party: he set aside common sense and basic honesty.  I don’t know which particular piece of trash Fineman talked to, but the dems did nothing but lie, demonize and cheat throughout this process.  They are finding that, at the moment anyway, it’s costing them bigtime.  This wasn’t a routine bill that nobody other than dedicated partisan whonks cared about: it was a major, well-publicized piece of legislation that virtually EVERYBODY was watching over the course of months and will continue to watch as their taxes and premiums go up.  Shenanigans and shortcuts and tricks that usually go unnoticed got a full airing this time, and people are disgusted to see so clearly that their Congress can be bought, that their Congress doesn’t care how much money it spends or wastes, that their Congress will lie to them, that their Congress doesn’t even bother to read the legislation it passes, that their Congress is arrogant, imperious, and hateful, and that their Congress will use any trick in the book to get its way.

    As for the insurance hikes, I suspect that’s a feature, not a bug: they will give Imeme and the rest of the democrat trash plenty more grist for their propaganda mill.  They’ve done the same thing with the mortgage companies and banks: “See how heartless they are, making people take mortgages that they can’t afford and then having the unmitigated gall to expect people to actually pay them!  Even worse, they expect people to pay even when they’ve lost their jobs!  THE NERVE!  We’ll fix ‘em, though.”

    The Democrats had failed to make their case for this reform to the American public. They pressed the case for some sort of reform, but that was easy: the country was already there. What the country dislikes is this particular bill, and the Democrats, intent on arguing among themselves, barely even tried to change its mind.

    For a man whose business it is to watch and criticize the media, Fineman is remarkably clueless… or else blatantly dishonest.  The dems DID try to change our minds.  How many speeches did Imeme make?  How many town halls were there?  How many stories and “analyses” did MiniTru publish about how much we needed this monstrosity and how wonderful it would be?  And how many times did we hear about polls showing huge margins of Americans wanted reform as a justification for passing this particular type of “reform”? 

    The problem is that many people didn’t buy it.  Fineman himself, in a bit of simple yet devastating analysis that was conspicuously absent during the “debate”, names the cause: people didn’t buy the ludicrous idea that we could insure more people for less money while improving service.  Instead, the dems and MiniTru demonized opponents as ignorant dupes at best and racist partisans at worst.  And they’re still at it.

    Oh, and Fineman now admits that the dems were “arguing amongst themselves”.  Funny: all this past year I’ve heard little but cries of “Republican obstructionism”.  When did the memo go out that it’s now OK to admit that everything ISN’T solely the GOP’s fault?

    McQObama’s made it abundantly clear through out this process that he’s not a man to be trusted, that he’s a pure partisan party hack who purposely alienated the opposing party and that he talks out of both sides of his mouth.

    Well said.  When skittish democrats pointed out that they were making the same sort of mistakes that lead to the shellacking they got in ’94, Imeme allegedly told them not to worry: “This time, you’ve got me.” What he doesn’t realize is that the American people are getting a bellyful of him and it’s making them sick.  Not only has he abandoned all pretense of bipartisanship, “changing the tone in DC”, and bringing Americans together, he comes across as an arrogant, petulant, whining, and frankly clueless bully.  It’s no wonder that democrats up for reelection will leave town rather than be seen with him on the platform.

    But the American people could probably forgive all of this if they weren’t confronted with daily evidence that things are not well on Imeme’s watch.  Depending on which numbers you believe, as much as 1/5 of the country is either out of work, on short-time, or scraping by on jobs that pay far less than they were making five years ago.  The deficit is huge, the debt grows by leaps and bounds, and people are bloody scared of what’s going to happen in the very near future if this doesn’t change.  They’re not convinced by phony numbers about “jobs saved and created”, nor are they comforted by assurances that all the money we’re spending will ultimately reduce the deficit and put them back to work.  If these things change, then Imeme and the dems will survive.  If they don’t change (and there’s no reason to think that they will), then you can add “democrat politician” to the endangered species list.

    • Bu…bu…..but……it’s ALL BUSH’S FAULT!  IMEME INHERITED THIS!  It takes time to clean up other people’s messes!  Most Transparent….uh….Chang…..uh…..astroturfed opposition……RACISTS!!!!!!!

  • Besides that, this Democrat said, people who already have coverage will feel threatened and resentful about helping to cover the uninsured—an emotion they will sanitize for the polltakers into a concern about federal spending and debt.

    It’s easy to eliminate the names of Democratic senators who would never say that, leaving only a couple to choose from. Now we know why Evan Bayh is quitting. Well, that’s my guess.