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Dear GOP – don’t get too froggy thinking you’re the “solution”

Because most Americans don’t share your evaluation of yourself.  In fact, because of the dismal performance of the Democrats, you’re only slightly more “acceptable” than they are:

Americans are growing more pessimistic about the economy and the war in Afghanistan, and are losing faith that Democrats have better solutions than Republicans, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll.

Underpinning the gloom: Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe the economy has yet to hit bottom, a sharply higher percentage than the 53% who felt that way in January.

The sour national mood appears all-encompassing and is dragging down ratings for the GOP too, suggesting voters above all are disenchanted with the political establishment in Washington.

In fact, just 24% have positive feelings about the GOP, which according to the WSJ, is a new low in the 21 year history of the poll.  In fact, the only reason you’re under any sort of consideration at all is because we’re stuck with a two-party system –something you and the Democrats have been careful to manage – and you’re the only other choice.

If you’re thinking “mandate” in November, I’d change my thinking.  I think it may be better described as “your last chance” … or maybe your “next to last chance”, the last chance coming on the heels of the 2012 presidential elections.

"The Republicans don’t have a message as to why people should vote for them, but it’s pretty clear why you shouldn’t vote for the Democrats," said poll respondent Tim Krsak, 33, a lawyer from Indianapolis and independent who has been unemployed since January. "So by default, you have to vote for the other guy."

Great reason to vote, isn’t it?

You guys better buy a clue (and if you do, use your own money).

~McQ

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39 Responses to Dear GOP – don’t get too froggy thinking you’re the “solution”

  • Let us not forget the Tea Party movement.
     
    Very to somewhat positive: 30%
    Very to somewhat negative: 34%
     
    Thank you Sharron Angle and other nutjobs the Tea Party movement put forward.

    • Thank you Sharron Angle and other nutjobs the Tea Party movement put forward.”
      Ah, be fair Pogue, let’s not forget to thank the Black Congressional Caucus and others for lying to help improve everyone’s impression of the Tea Party (which so far as I can tell is a disjointed organization standing for a lot of different things in different places, with only the ‘small government and we’re pissed’ thing as a common theme – so, a version of the Republican party that may actually believe in smaller government!)
       
      and to be fair to Angle, she’s running against a nutjob and that I know for certain fact.

      • Ah, be fair Pogue, let’s not forget to thank the Black Congressional Caucus and others for lying to help improve everyone’s impression of the Tea Party
         
        Ah, but to be fair, looker, it wasn’t the BCC or others that put some of the ugly signs still captured numerous times and from various rallies of the TPM.  Nor was it the BCC or others that showed up with firearms.  Now the occasional rogue kook could be ignored if the Tea Partiers themselves policed their message, but given that time and time again they failed to do so, only suggests that such messages are tolerated.
        Also, it is not the BCC that elected Angle and others as their standard bearer.  It’s not the BCC that forces Angle to run away from questions at her own “press conference.”  It’s not the BCC that caused Angle to suggest that she wants the press to “ask questions we want to answer.”
        At some point, the Tea Partiers must answer for their own actions.  And not simply blame it on an unforgiving media or some congressman that may or may not have lied about being spat upon.  This is the Big Leagues, brother.  You can’t cry foul on every pitch – you gotta get a base hit from time to time.
         
        The Tea Party’s greatest failure is that they have not consigned to a single theme and competent leadership.  Judging by the many signs at these rallies, it is clear that most people show up with their own pet peeves – from birthers to bible-thumpers, they’re all over the map.  Eventually, the shit starts to stack up and the smell is unavoidable.
         
        And I don’t care if Reid is a nutjob.  You don’t elect a nutjob to defeat a nutjob.  In fact, it is a sure path to failure.  It’s the nutjob you know…
         
        Cheers.

        • Now the occasional rogue kook could be ignored if the Tea Partiers themselves policed their message, but given that time and time again they failed to do so, only suggests that such messages are tolerated.

          Amazingly ill-informed and typically stupid.  I’ve been to several TEA Party events, and never saw anything but the public square in the flesh.  Would anyone here want it any other way?  And, still, I’ve never seen, heard, or smelled anything remotely racist.
          If you check, the voters of Nevada nominated Angle, she’s doing rather well just now, and she’s being pilloried for some positions that many here advocate, seems to me…
          And, guys, it’s the CBC (Congressional Black Caucus)…which seems kinda racist to me…
           

          • And, still, I’ve never seen, heard, or smelled anything remotely racist.
             
            Oh, so if you’ve been to several Tea Party events and haven’t witnessed any racism, then that definitely means that no racism, or any other kooky ideas, have been presented anywhere among the Tea Party events.  Despite the numerous, irrefutable evidence to the contrary.
             
            If you check, the voters of Nevada nominated Angle, she’s doing rather well just now, and she’s being pilloried for some positions that many here advocate,
             
            So tell us Rags.  What positions that “many here advocate” that she is being “pilloried”?  Running away from the press?  Suggesting that she wants the press to “only ask questions that we want to answer”?  Her prominent stance against homosexuals?  What is it that “many here advocate”?

          • And since you’ve never been to any of the events, I guess we should take your word, huh?

          • It’s not my word you have to take.  It is the countless signs and interviews we’ve ALL seen posted over the net.
            But if you refuse to believe those, all you have to do is look at the candidates this movement has put forward.  It’s beginning to look a lot like kook town.
            And hell, you’re the one who posted the poll.  And the unfavorable numbers show the proof of the pudding.
             
            What?  You don’t buy the numbers of the poll?  Or are you simply selective in the numbers?
             
            Cheers.

          • Let’s see if those who disapprove of the tea party come out to vote. Personally, I hope the GOP does not win big. I want 2012 to be the year where the Christie’s rise up.
            The SoCon people really do need to clamp down on some of their positions for a while, though. Just like with cap and trade or card check, the nation has better priorities than gay marriage.

          • It is the countless signs and interviews we’ve ALL seen posted over the net.
            Again, Poque, you’ve been taking lessons from Erp.  CITES, please!
            I can’t think of a movement has has been the focus of a more implacably FALSE and NEGATIVE concentration of coverage across the media, from MSM to comedy.
            Boots on the ground says different.  You also seem to be convicting the TEA Party movement for NOT being what you…who won’t bother to go…want it to be.  It ISN’T a political party.

          • Nice avoidance of the question. You could be a politician.

            I’m aware of the signs. I’m also aware of the effort to plant those signs. Did a post on it – remember?

          • “It is the countless signs and interviews we’ve ALL seen posted over the net”

            So what makes the Tea Party types any different from any other large group of political demonstrators? You can say this about leftish crowds too.  Do the words ‘confirmation bias’ ring a bell?

            And do you really consider spelling errors to be that big a deal? Wow.

          • A fair number of the signs and interviews have been proven to have been plants. 
            That can’t be casually dismissed.  It shows an active desire to discredit an organization not just for their ideas, but at a more visceral level, and based on the scope it doesn’t appear to be rogue ‘agents-provocateur’ operating on their own, it’s organized and condoned at a much higher level (and no, I don’t really know WHO is organizing that – could just as easily be the American Socialist Workers Party as the Democratic Party)
            I understand, for example, and would be against an organization that was seriously “AGAINST IMMIGRATION”, standin right there next to you man, I get that.  And if that’s where their position REALLY is, well then I don’t support them, and wouldn’t support their candidates.
             
            But don’t discount that these poseurs are a factor, and they have the desired effect on the polls.
             
             
             
             

          • No,  Mr. “KMA”, you are assuming these signs are from people who support the Tea Party.  But, we know tea parties have been infiltrated by the left.  In fact, we also have video of Tea Party supporters trying to expel people with racist and white supremacist signs.  As I mentioned earlier, we have documented attempts by the so called “progressives”  to display signs that cast negative aspersions on the Tea Parties.  Those signs you mention are almost always on the fringes of the crowd.
             
            The latest one is a very clever one.  They are making up t-shirts and bumper stickers that say F*CK Tea.  I suspect most of the country did not understand the meaning of “teabagger”.  It will not be true of this one.

          • “all you have to do is look at the candidates this movement has put forward”

            It is my understanding that the tea party movement does not put forward candidates. It may support a candidate, but that is not the same. Feel free to correct me with examples.

          • As an outsider to this whole democracy monstrosity (cannibal pot), I don’t endorse any candidates.  But whenever I see someone sneering something like “kook” about a candidate with libertarian leanings, or just anti-big-government, (like the dust-up over Rand Paul’s correct view of the matter of private property and discrimination), I see someone who fears the unknown of people pushing back against the machine for their freedom.

          • Geez, Poque.  I at least know SOME damn thing about the TEA Party movement.  Yeah, there ARE kooky people there.  It is a public forum.  Lyndon LaRouche (sp) supporters were in evidence, and they are Democrats.
            Put up you “numberous, irrefutable evidence” of racism that went unchallenged at a TEA Party event.
            Angle has been called a nut because she has…in glacial time…advocated the ending of the Dept. Of Ed.  Put up her “prominent stance against homosexuals”.  Is that NECESSARILY “nutjob”, or can that be a considered position?  Maybe not your position or mine, but valid?

          • I have to keep this short ’cause I have to cook dinner soon.  But if you haven’t seen the news lately, or if you have and simply ignored it, or merely disagree with my premise, then we’ll just have to leave it there.
             
            But I just can’t get over you and your willingness to overlook Angles’ problems.  She runs away from even the local press as though they carry the plague.  She looked a stunned Carl Cameron right in the eyes and said, “We want the press to ask questions we want to answer.”  If a Democrat had said that, you and the rest of this blog would have crucified them, instead, it goes completely ignored.
            She’s a SoCon to the bone.  And you can bet that in the unlikely event that she is elected, she will go the way of SoCon Republicans we’ve come to know and despise.
            And because of these numerous problems, she has gone from a sizable lead to a few points down.  It is only going to get worse from here.  Go ahead and throw money her way if you want, it will be wasted.
             
            Sharron Angle is the quintessential Tea Party candidate this election cycle.  And that is a crying shame.

          • But if you haven’t seen the news lately, or if you have and simply ignored it, or merely disagree with my premise, then we’ll just have to leave it there.
            Welll, helllll….  That’s your problem!  I don’t “see” news.  I read a broad range of stuff from all over the political spectrum.  You ARE misinformed…which is kinda your own fault!

          • “We want the press to ask questions we want to answer.”

             Not much evidence of being a nutjob. More like a politician openly admitting what all politicians strive to achieve.  Of course, such openness in a politician is no doubt considered evidence of being a nutjob by other political hacks.

        • http://article.nationalreview.com/439044/the-strategic-angle/jim-geraghty
          I’ll put my money with Geraghty on Angle.  Matter of fact, I will make another contribution to beat Reid.

        • “Nor was it the BCC or others that showed up with firearms.”
           
          Raaaciistt!!!
          Why are you concerned when a black man has a gun?

        • Ah, but to be fair, looker, it wasn’t the BCC or others that put some of the ugly signs still captured numerous times and from various rallies of the TPM

          >>>> Indeed.  Many of them came from leftist planted phonies

          Thanks for reminding us of that Pogue!

          Cheers

        • No, Mr. “Kiss my Ass”.  There is substantial evidence the tea parties have been infiltrated by the the left bearing signs to foment invalid racist images and other such affronts.  A simple search will bring up a lot of stories.  Here are a couple:
          http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090407185054.aspx
          http://www.personalliberty.com/news/liberal-group-to-infiltrate-tea-party-demonstrations-2-19719318/
          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/12/tea-party-opponents-hope-infiltrate-party-dismantle/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Text+-+Politics%29
           
          This is followed by Think Progress using these infiltrators and doctored videos to support the charge of racism:
          http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/Examiner-Opinion-Zone/bob-owens-CAP-and-Think-Progress-and-the-Eighth-Circle-of-H-ll-98614209.html
           
          You also fail to understand the Tea party movement is leaderless.  There is no national party.  In fact, if you see a political candidate running as a tea party candidate, it is a invariably a Democrat trying to split the vote.    The Tea Parties stand for an attitude toward government.   That attitude is supported by Democrats and Republicans:
           
          http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20100804/pl_usnw/DC45820
           
          Polls show the contest between Reid and Angle to be deadlocked.  Reid has attempted to paint Angle as extreme.  The funny part is Reid is making no effort to run on his record.  If a long term politician wants to ignore his record, that is a bad sign for him
          Final point:  It is difficult to take seriously anyone who calls himself  “kiss my ass”.  In many circles, that would be the mark of a “nutjob”.
           
           

        • Ah, I’d forgotten about the alleged spitting, I was referring to the overt racism in the use of “the word” – twice lied then.  Let it pass shall we?
           
          Going to give a pass to the leftish organization who made it public that they were going to show up at Tea Party rallies essentially dressed like clansmen and ‘make a statement’ to the world?
           
          Course there are racists in the Tea Party, racists are everywhere, it’s a regrettable part of our down out of the trees makeup we may never shake off.  I’ll give you far more points for lamenting their positions than I will for pointing out that in every crowded room across the earth in which any group has gathered more than 30 people, that one of them is likely to be a racist.
           
          As to her wanting the press to ask questions a certain way, is that worse or better than a President who gives the press the questions ahead of time?  But no, I DO agree, her run from the press is really a rather depressing example of why the only reason I’d vote for her over Reid (had I that option) is because she’s NOT Reid.  Harkens much back to the last Presidential election in that way.

    • I will take the Tea party movement and all their kooks and hangers-on over someone like you any day. At least they are trying to get something done.  You just seem to whine, and be negative all the time.  And you seem to hate many of the things that the Democrats do but always seem to take up for them.

      This is a real movement, it has little form yet and so cannot possibly police itself as well as an established political party, but a lot of the hatred aimed at it is just ideologically motivated.  And there have been several plants that have been caught. Just as the recent plant at a Rand Paul Rally was revealed on Youtube a few days ago.

      But that is OK Pogue, just go back to sniping and cynical whining, you can get drunk at your Bar near Rice and feel all superior to we right-leaning libertarians. Because unlike us you are not going to be fooled by anything that might smack of populism. OH NO! you are far too sophisticated for that.

  • Sharpening a really positive message with a very few clear ideas would be an EXCELLENT idea about now.
    It ain’t like rocket science, either.  There’s a lot of good things to say.

    • Agreed. I think the difficulty they are facing is they have to promise what they can deliver.
      Can they repeal health care? No, but they can make a damn good try. That should be one of their planks.
      Spending? Since it’s the House, it’s doable. But how do you phrase it? I don’t have a good answer, but they need to come up with one that’s believable. I don’t think people are going to stand for evergreen promises like “cutting wasteful spending” anymore. Spending as a % of GDP would be good, but I don’t think that will translate to well to the average voter.
      Earmarks? No earmarks would be a good solid pledge that lots of voters could get behind. But can they actually pull that off? If this were the House of Commons, yes. The US House, probably not possible.
       
      Taxes? Should be a lay down. NO NEW TAXES and freeze the rates as they are.
      They should limit themselves to 3 or 4 big issues and leave the rest for later.
       
      Tax Reform: This could be a big winner if they position it correctly. And it’s probably a multi year project. But the first thing they should do is pass the bill that has been presented in the past. The one that gives taxpayers the option of paying under the current system or one flat rate with no deductions. I think it was called the Tax Choice Act.

      • Good ideas, Steve.  One thing that marketing and trial law have taught me; focus groups…properly conducted…are great.  These themes and others NEED to be tested, and I’m sure they are being tested now.

  • “The Republicans don’t have a message as to why people should vote for them, but it’s pretty clear why you shouldn’t vote for the Democrats,”…

    Sounds like me when I held my nose and pulled the lever for Yosemite Sam!

    McQIf you’re thinking “mandate” in November, I’d change my thinking.  I think it may be better described as “your last chance” … or maybe your “next to last chance”, the last chance coming on the heels of the 2012 presidential elections.

    And if they blow this “last chance”?  Whither the conservative / libertarian American voter then?  The fact is that the GOP has been blowing “last chances” for quite some time, yet they are still the only viable option to voting for the democrats.  It’s sort of depressing, really.

    Ragspierre – Sharpening a really positive message with a very few clear ideas would be an EXCELLENT idea about now.

    Such as?

    “Vote for us and we’ll end entitlement programs that millions of American senior citizens and children rely on to put food in their bellies and roofs over their heads!”

    “Vote for us and we’ll lay off tens of thousands of federal employees!”

    “Vote for us and we’ll stop funneling money to the states and cities so they’ll have to lay off teachers, police officers, and firefighters!”

    “Vote for us and we’ll fix it to where it’ll cost you a LOT more to send your kid to college!”

    “Vote for us and we’ll be less corrupt and waste less money than the other guys!”

    “Vote for us because we learned our lesson.  Promise.  Cross our hearts!  Pinky-swears!”

    America has become like a giant drug addict, addicted to government spending.  Kicking the habit – which we MUST do (if it’s not already too late) – will be painful.  It’s hard to sell pain to people who are routinely told that we’ve got lots of money if only THE RICH would pay their fair share.  Hard to argue when one sees people living in big houses and driving expensive cars: they obviously have lots of money.

    Anyway, unless and until the GOP promises to END earmarks (not “reduce” or “reform” them), end deficit spending, come up with a plan to pay off our national debt, start the process for balanced budget and term limit amendments, and otherwise makes promises to demonstrate good faith and not simply sell us more snake oil, I don’t trust them a lot more than I do the dems.  Sorry to say it, but it’s true.

  • The Tea Party movement does pretty well in that poll (of all adults, which is not a very discriminating sample as an election approaches), way way better than Congress, which is just flat out loathed. And better than both political parties. Obama does just slightly better in the approve v. disapprove; he is way down from Messiah status, of course. In the Rasmussen daily tracking poll of likely voters, Obama is at minus 20 today in the strongly disapprove, strongly approve index ( 25 v. 45).

    As far as racism goes, one more time, the only major political figure in the United States who has a long and recent involvement with a virulently racists organization is Barack Obama.

  • You want examples, Rags?  Do you seriously want to embarrass these people one more time?
    Well, here you go…
    A few of my favorites (my emphasis):

    Make English America’s Offical Language

    THE ZOO HAS AN AFRICAN, THE WHITE HOUSE HAS A LYIN’ AFRICAN

    RESPECT ARE-COUNTRY SPEAK ENGLISH

    GO BACK TO KENYA

    I AM Joe the plummer

    Thank you Fox News for keeping us infromed

    And of course, the cherry

    CONGRESS = SLAVE OWNER – TAXPAYER = NIGGAR

     
    And those are merely a few.  Of course, shark would have us believe that these are all liberal plants designed to sabotage the Tea Party.
    QandO’s own Dale Franks gave us a video blog from a Tea Party rally in San Diego.  Seen prominently is a man holding a sign reading “Put God back in government” (or something similar).  Which is not, what I’ve been told, what the Tea Party is all about.  But that’s my point.  All these people show up with their own axe to grind – and some of them, not all or even most, are ugly.
    Ignore at your own peril, the Tea Party movement seems to have.  Little wonder as to why their numbers are down.

    • Make English America’s Offical Language

      Ever make a sign, Poque?  Try it before you knock somebody.  Besides, they were edicated in a pubic skool.
      Racist?

      THE ZOO HAS AN AFRICAN [lion, I bet], THE WHITE HOUSE HAS A LYIN’ AFRICAN

      See above.
      See what an utter failure you are?  People make signs and they commit errors.  That is not racism.  It isn’t kookism.  It is just folks.  And you are ready to slam them.  You do better, mook, and then you can spout off.
      Shark is right about the plants, or did they not cover that on the news you “watch”?
      Idiot.

    • You’ve been out of elementary school for how long, Pugue?

    • Does Pogue support a Literacy Test at the polls to weed out such miscreants?
      I believe Alabama tried this before, with much success.
       
       

    • Eeeuw. People are so icky. That’s why we can’t let them run things.

    • Sorry for getting to this so late, but I was looking through those, and at least one of them (“GET A BRAIN! MORANS”) has been circulating around the internet for years prior to the emergence of the Tea Party.  It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that others in that batch are also not associated at all with the Tea Party, but other rallies that have taken place in the past.
       
      I think that the Tea Party, either legitimately or by design, is a loose and poorly-coordinated set of ambiguous ideals, which lets everyone define it as they wish.  Republican politicians and pundits see a non-partisan movement against big government and big spending that only coincidentally coalesced when Democrats came to power.  Democrats see a secretly funded and managed group that can’t (and likely doesn’t want to) control its virulent racism and anti-government inclinations.  Tea Party supporters get to head out to rallies and form large crowds that gripe and commiserate for a while.  Something for everyone, in other words.

  • I am sure he is aware but he is defending his side any way he can.  Next he wills tart complaining about how the professional left is letting the cause fail.

  • So where are we to run if the GOP lays an egg? Are we at a point where we have so many lawyers making law, that no one in Congress has any idea about how to run a business? The Democrats have shown they don’ t have a clue, at least a GOP victory in the fall will stop some of the major bleeding.

    My question is who are the leaders in the GOP we can rally around? Has the GOP not had one since Newt? I like Romney’s business sense but I feel he doesn’t have that “oomppff” factor. Maybe we should take a play from the Democrats playbook and find a rising star, like maybe Alan West? How about we find some charismatic people running with good ideas and help get them into office like West? Then groom them for the next step just like they did with Obama, the difference being there will actually be something in the suit we back. Let’s not be the Tea Party but the Grand Old Party, re-brand it, and sell it. We have seen we can have grass roots reults, an I think the “silent majority” is awakening.