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Nut job attempts to assassinate AZ Rep. Gabrielle Giffords

One of the reasons I find libertarianism satisfying to my inner philosophical self is it eschews and condemns the use of coercion and force.

That doesn’t make me a pacifist or someone who won’t use force defensively.  But that’s not what happened today in a Safeway parking lot in Arizona.  What happened today was cold-blooded murder of innocent bystanders and the attempted murder of a Congressional Representative.  It was an attempt to coercively change what has been decided democratically. I may not agree with Rep. Giffords or her leanings, but I will defend unto death her right to stand in any parking lot in this country and say what it is she wishes to say without some jerk shooting her.

What happened today was wrong and it should be condemned – period. No matter what the leanings or ideology of the person targeted and no matter the ideology and leanings of the fool who did this, there is no excuse for this at all.

Prepare yourself for an onslaught of the two sides attempting to find a way to work this to their advantage.  Already I’ve seen Sarah Palin blamed.  Expect all the blogospheric loons to try to torturously spin whatever is found about this asshat who shot Rep. Giffords into something that hurts the other side.  It is as predictable as night and day.  The online equivalents of the National Enquirer will do what they always do.

As for those who are going to try to proclaim this guy a hero striking a blow for freedom, you’ve got a hell of a job in front of you selling that.   He no more struck a blow for freedom than did James Earl Ray.   The guy is a coward who shoots at unarmed women and kills children.  If that’s the type of murderous clown you want to tie your revolutionary wagon too, good luck with that.

It appears Rep. Giffords has survived the surgery and doctors are very optimistic about her recovery.  That’s good news, but we all know how difficult it is to fully recover from a bad brain injury.   As for the jackwagon that shot her, there’s a maximum security prison in Colorado which has a cell with his name on it.  Put him in there and throw away the key.  Solitary confinement for the rest of his life.  Let Glenn Greenwald whine about that.

And yes, I’m pissed.

~McQ

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37 Responses to Nut job attempts to assassinate AZ Rep. Gabrielle Giffords

  • Mr. McQuain,
     It appears Palin has already removed the target list of Democrats, of which Rep Giffords was one, complete with crosshairs, from her PAC website. I’m positive we’ll see a great deal made out of said map.

      People really need to be careful with the rhetoric. Calling for a 2nd Ammendment Solution may appeal to the base but it may not be a wise thing to say in public, along with lock and load, etc. *shrug* I dunno, man. I’m not shocked this happened. I am shocked it hasn’t happened more often given the rhetoric, implied threats, innuendo, and nasty political exchanges in the past few years.

    • It appears Palin has already removed the target list of Democrats, of which Rep Giffords was one, complete with crosshairs, from her PAC website. I’m positive we’ll see a great deal made out of said map

      >>>>Today’s NY Post had a front page pic of Peyton Manning in crosshairs.  I guess he’s next?

      • Yeah, from what i’ve been able to gather so far, this guy was a leftist nut case. So the gun he used will  probably end up taking most of the blame.

        • Nope.  The “climate of hate” propelled mainly by Limbaugh, Beck et al will be blamed. First, last and always.

      • Mr. shark,
         I highly doubt it. Palin will end up on the defensive for said map. Did the map specifically state any action to take? Not that I could determine. But the perception will matter here. Taking it down after saying it’s just normal politics, and denying any intent, innuendo, etc, to cause harm to another,  isn’t going to get a free pass this time.  

        Mr. Brown,
         This guys looks like a mix of right and left fringes. I’ll wait to see what comes out over the next few months.     

        • Of course, my point being, the main stream media will paint their picture based on whatever affiliations this slime ball has in a biased way. In other words; they will not miss this “opportunity” to do what they accuse Limbaugh and Fox news of doing as a means to their own ends.  
           

          • Rep. Giffords is a Blue Dog.  I noticed that reports on my local TV station used her WikiPedia (which has been edited like all hell since yesterday) reporting all her Left tendencies, but leaving off her gun rights support (her gun ownership disappeared from WikiPedia) and support for better border security.

        • I highly doubt it. Palin will end up on the defensive for said map. Did the map specifically state any action to take? Not that I could determine. But the perception will matter here

          >>>  What “perception” ????  WHAT F**KING PERCEPTION?!?!  There is no goddamn perception here, only the agenda the scum want to push.  Putting crosshair or target symbols on a map has been done by all sorts of people for DECADES, and it has never had any violent meaning outside of the military for obvious reasons.

          I’ve had it.  Tell you what, next time something like this happens, you don’t want to hear what my first reaction will be.

        • What “right fringe”? For that matter, what “left fringe”? You’re just speculating. Pony up some data.

      • If the Post had a history of suggesting armed resistance to the Colts may be necessary, then yeah, they’d share some culpability.
        That said, this guy seems like a pure nutjob; not right, not left, just psychopathic.

    • Let’s not blame any public figures for this guy’s actions.  Until you know why he did it, their is no point.  You blame Palin.  What if it turns out he IS a Leftie, after all?  What then about Sarah’s culpability?

    • Please name who called for a 2nd Amendment solution out of either the Palin Campaign or any tea partier.  Name one.
       

      • Mr. Perkins,
         Sharon Angle. You can find what that person has said numerous times easily enough. When offered a chance to explain or back away she continued to expound the same crap.

         Some quotes:

        “I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous …”  GOP congresswoman Michelle Bachmann talking about taking up arms in politics. 


        people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around … ” Sharron Angle, GOP Senate Candidate in Utah.
         
        “… don’t retreat, reload.” Sarah Palin, GOP leader.  Palin put a gunsight target on Congresswoman Giffords on her websight, and said Americans needed to fight back.

        Conservatives are always saying free speech has consequences. We just witnessed the “consequences”, Mr. Perkins.

        • “Conservatives are always saying free speech has consequences. We just witnessed the “consequences”, Mr. Perkins.”
          That’s quite a leap, Mr. Phalanxo8. You have just blamed this shooting on free speech. Where’s your evidence to back your charge and what do you purpose as a solution?

          • Mr. Brown,
             Conservatives are always saying free speech isn’t free from consequences. Well, here is an example of that. All this crap about 2nd Amendment Solutions, etc, has come home to roost. Like I mentioned above, there has been no direct, detailed, specific statement by various political types to commit violence.

            However, it is not wise to constantly use such terms/phrases to fire up the base then pretend to be shocked when someone acts on the words.  

        • “However, it is not wise to constantly use such terms/phrases to fire up the base then pretend to be shocked when someone acts on the words.”

          Again, Mr. Phalanxo8, site your evidence on this silly assertion that you’re making. Who told you the shooter  acted “on the words”?  Or are you just making this up?

        • Oh.  So you don’t have a shred of evidence to back yourself up with.  Got it.

        • Ace of Spades has found multiple lefties who used violent language (metaphorical) against this lady too.

      • “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun….” – Barack Obama

    • The Progressives are covering their tracks … this disappeared from KOS

  • Can you inform your guys that despite your rhetoric, there isn’t actually a civil war on?
    Appreciate it.

    • Which side are you talking about, TomD?  It’s the Democrats who hope to profit by this.

      • “Let me be clear, as a great man says: If you’re using this event to criticize the “rhetoric” of Sarah Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you’re either asserting a connection between the “rhetoric” and the shooting — which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie — or you’re not, in which case you’re just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. So which is it?”

  • I haven’t been here for awhile, but wanted to see how you reacted to this.  I commend your post and agree with it, though I would leave open the chance that the perpetrator could be redeemed (you know, liberal idealist that I am).  And no, I don’t blame Palin or anyone, but I think that we do need to recognize that liberals and conservatives both want the best for America.  It’s not good vs. evil, but democracy is about different ideas and perspectives competing, it’s good that there are real differences of opinion out there!

    • Competing ideas are good.  But democracy isn’t the reasonable means of resolving differences of opinions and shouldn’t be held up as some magical talisman.  Democracy is merely the use of popularity contests in lieu of royal decree or military dictatorships.  But at the end of the day, government is still using force instead of reason to compel people to give up what they worked to earn and to behave in certain ways.
      And, as government grows larger and more intrusive, elections have such significant consequences for people–the political stakes are higher and higher.  Which means that <a href=http://myweeklycrime.blogspot.com/2011/01/political-violence.html>democracy is part of the problem</a>.  When you stop presuming to decide how people thousands of miles away should handle their affairs, when you address what’s properly in your own sphere of influence and leave others alone who have nothing to do with you, then the motivation for people to hate you or to feel the inclination to do violence to your “representative” dwindles to near nothing.  (Well, there’s also religion, too.  One problem at a time.)

    • I haven’t been here for awhile because… well, I’m not sure, but it certainly wasn’t because my prediction that the GOP would only get 20 seats was ludicrously wrong, I’ll tell you that. So don’t bring up about how I said I would come here and be humble if I was wrong, just shut up about that. I’m over at my blog explaining why 99% of Muslims are wonderful, peaceful people who are no threat to anyone and they certainly don’t do anything to encourage the fundamentalists like cheering in the streets when Americans die or shooting up military facilities. No sir. And it’s definitely not true that the 99% figure is covered in fecal matter because of where I pulled it from, so just don’t start. That 99% figure is completely valid. I decree it.

      Anyway, I wanted to see how you reacted to this. I commend your post and agree with it, though I would leave open the chance that the perpetrator could be redeemed (you know, liberal idiotidealist that I am). {chuckle} {giggle}

      And no, I don’t blame Palin or anyone {eyes rolling}. Especially since the giant magenta caterpillars with her face and ample bosom have mostly disappeared. As long as I take the little blue pill every day.

      Anyway, I think that we do need to recognize that liberals and conservatives both want the best for America. It’s just that the dense rightie conservatives have no coherent idea of what’s best for America, with their obsolete silly ideas of “honor” and “responsibility” and “limited Constitutional government” and the like. Especially their fetish with guns, like the one used by this fellow. They just don’t understand the march to leftist utopia that is the way to what’s best for America, and they certainly don’t understand the post-modern foundations that allow folks on the left to keep redefining terms with our godlike powers of political science so that those silly rightie ideas are continously degraded in respectability.

      It’s not good vs. evil, but democracy is about different ideas and perspectives competing. As long as the ones on the right eventually lose, of course, which we wise political scientists realize is a matter of historical inevitability. But it’s good that there are real differences of opinion out there! It fools the prolescommon citizens into thinking they actually have some influence on the whole thing, which keeps them calm while we wise leftists gain complete control over their income, their healthcare, their homes, their kid’s indoctrinationeducation, their cars, their jobs, and how they raise their hopefully gender-neutral children.

    • This is the very first thing I’ve ever seen you utter than I can agree with completely, Scott.

    • I haven’t been here for awhile …

      That’s one way of putting the fact you’ve been cowering under your bed for two months rather than man up and present your ‘gracious admission you were wrong’ about the results of the November election. So how about it, Scott? You a man of your word or just another sniveling leftista hypocrite?

  • The Left has just gone through a period of imposing their far left policies on this country, and some people decided to, ‘oh my God!’, protest as a group.  Then what preliminarily appears to be primarily a nutjob with politics that are anything but right snaps his last thread strand tied to reality.  The Left then does everything in their power to imply this person is a right wing nutjob or this is the result of the atmosphere the right has created.
     
    I’m sure you can find examples where people on the right are coining it to their advantage.  But in totality, there’s no symmetry here.  And calling the Left out on their BS doesn’t make it so.

  • James Earl Ray murdered a private citizen who was spearheading massive, non-violent civil disobedience against the inequities imposed by government.
    To suggest that a minor member of the American aristocracy contributes to freedom on par with MLK is just flat out ignorant.
    This nutjob shooter didn’t advance the cause of freedom because he won’t take away power from Washington and may very well be the excuse for more anti-freedom legislation, like gun control passed in the name of James Brady and Columbine.  He wasn’t acting in self-defense or in retaliation to some unpopular outrage.  He indiscriminately murdered bystanders, including a nine-year-old girl.
    But the idea that political violence runs counter to freedom is in direct conflict with the American Revolution, to name one obvious example.  I think you need to be more careful in your generalizations.
    Personally, I would prefer massive, non-violent civil disobedience (as the victim of James Earl Ray employed) to any sort of violence.  Violence should be a last resort, made in self-defense, and not indiscriminate or pointless.

    • Well, I agree with all of that, but I doubt this whacko was protesting anything.  He was like the character Travis Bickel from Taxi Driver. Just wanted to make a name for himself and suicide by cop.  Except he scewed the last part.

  • Let us look at some quotes from the article cited by McQ above.  It’s from reliably liberal NPR and is headlined:

    ‘Vitriol’ Cited As Possible Factor In Arizona Tragedy

    Yep, people saying bad things about other people causes mass murder.  How HAS our country survived for so long if this is true?  The article goes on:

    Law enforcement officials continue to piece together the facts in Saturday’s shooting rampage that left a federal judge dead and a congresswoman critically injured in Arizona, and some are questioning whether divisive political rhetoric may have played a role.

    Oh, I’ll just bet that “some” are indeed questioning whether bad words played a role.  Talk about a great political advantage: the left has tried to declare people who oppose them variously as racist, ignorant, and just plain ol’ mean; now they will try to claim that anti-left speech actually incites murder and should be censored for that reason.

    At a news conference Saturday night, a clearly emotional [Sheriff Clarence] Dupnik, who has been close to both Giffords and Roll, repeatedly cited what he characterized as the “vitriol” that has infected political discourse. He said that his own state has become “the mecca for prejudice and bigotry.”
    There is reason to believe, he said, that the shooting suspect “may have a mental issue,” adding that people like that “are especially susceptible to vitriol.”
    “That may be free speech, but it’s not without consequences,” he said.

    A few thoughts on this:

    1.  The sheriff is understandably distraught: as a peace officer, crime must be hateful to him, and that two of his friends were killed makes the crime that much worse.

    2.  I should like to point out that AZ has become a “mecca for prejudice and bigotry” from the left, not the right.  Or is he trying to imply that the the murderer was motiviated by outrage over the controversial illegal aliens law in AZ?

    3.  Yes, lunatics can be swayed by rhetoric.  They can also be swayed by the voices in their heads (an attorney of my aquaintance was a guardian ad litem for a man who talked to aliens through a ball of tin foil). 

    4.  Yes, free speech has consequences, but unless and until somebody can point to a specific statement urging people to gun down members of the government, then I am not impressed at all by claims that “vitriol” – which have been a staple of American politics since 1607 – is a cause of this crime.

    If possible, the article gets worse:

    There has been a rush to determine what had prompted the massacre in a state that has been roiled by incendiary debate over illegal immigrants and has also become ground zero for those questioning Obama’s birthplace.
    “It’s not a good atmosphere right now, though I’m not saying that’s what prompted this,” said University of Arizona law professor Andy Silverman, who knew Roll well. “But things in Arizona are very tense, and we’ve become the incubator for a lot of immigration-related matters and now for the birthers, too.”
    Giffords’ fellow Arizona congressman, Republican Jeff Flake, recalled that she was unfazed after her Tucson office had been targeted by vandals who broke a window on the eve of last year’s health care vote.
    During an interview with MSNBC after her office was vandalized, Giffords noted that her district was on Sarah Palin’s “crosshairs” list of targeted congressional races…

    Anti-immigrants, birthers, Sarah Palin, and ObamaCare.  Did the author, Liz Halloran, manage to miss ANY lefty talking points?

    Halloran finally manages – barely - to get to some pertinent information about the killer:

    Some online statements attributed to Loughner suggest an obsession with the nation’s currency system and with grammar. In one online video posted under Loughner’s name, an American flag is burned.

    It will take some time to determine why this happened and whether there was some broader conspiracy.  I must say that my first reaction to the news was surprise (members of Congress don’t get killed every day), then outrage, and then dread: “Oh, the moonbats will be feasting on this!”

  • Pima Community College’s Statement on the Shooter

    PCC records indicate that Jared Lee Loughner, the suspect in custody in connection to today’s terrible mass shooting, is a former PCC student who voluntarily withdrew from the College on Oct. 4, 2010. Loughner was a PCC student from Summer 2005 through Fall 2010, when he was suspended for Code of Conduct violations. The College’s Code of Conduct is availablehere.
    From February to September 2010, Loughner had five contacts with PCC police for classroom and library disruptions at Northwest and West campuses. On September 29, 2010, College police discovered on YouTube a Loughner-filmed video made at Northwest Campus. In the video, he claims that the College is illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, and makes other claims.
    Working with legal counsel, College administration issued a letter of immediate suspension on September 29, 2010. That evening, two police officers delivered the letter of suspension to the student at his and his parents’ residence and spoke with the student and his parents.
    The suspension letter indicated that he was to contact the Northwest Campus to schedule an appointment to discuss the Code of Conduct process and suspension status. Other than for this appointment, he was prohibited from returning to the College.
    Loughner and his parents met Northwest Campus administrators October 4, 2010. During this meeting Loughner indicated he would withdraw from the College. A follow-up letter was sent to him October 7, 2010 indicating that if he intends to return to the College, he must resolve his Code of Conduct violations and obtain a mental health clearance indicating, in the opinion of a mental health professional, his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others.

    Pure wack job

  • Besides the screeching about “heated rhetoric”, too many people have lost perspective on the value of individual life and when we ought to care.  Radley Balko makes some excellent points, like why isn’t there 24/7 coverage of the murder of Eurie Stamps, who never presumed to have the authority to dictate to us how to run our lives?
    Giffords voted for Health Care Deform, which has already caused a halt to the construction or expansion of physician-owned hospitals, to name one of the more egregious Easter eggs to be reported in the news of late.  So her choice to screw us over puts her on the level with con men and embezzlers, in my opinion.  I don’t think that deserves death, but in a just world, she’d be neighbors with Bernie Madoff (along with most other politicians who have looted our children’s and grandchildren’s future earnings).
    Eurie Stamps probably never did anything to hurt other people.  Why isn’t his murder greeted with outrage?  Why don’t we have continuous coverage of the types of violent raids that took his life which happen on a daily basis?