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‘No sale’ on the ‘hateful’ rhetoric/Tucson shooting connection

According to a CBS New poll It appears the American public isn’t buying the attempt to connect what is termed “hateful” rhetoric and the Tucson shooting of Rep. Giffords:

Overall, 57 percent of respondents said the harsh political tone had nothing to do with the shooting, compared to 32 percent who felt it did. Republicans were more likely to feel the two were unrelated – 69 percent said rhetoric was not to blame; 19 percent said it played a part. Democrats were more split on the issue – 49 percent saw no connection; 42 percent said there was.

Independents more closely reflected the overall breakdown – 56 percent said rhetoric had nothing to do with the attack; 33 percent felt it did.

So a note to the left trying to make political hay with this incident – the meme is not resonating.  And, as usual, you’ve underestimated the good sense of the American people and their ability to separate political nonsense from the truth.  I think we can reasonably call the attempt to establish the “hateful rhetoric caused the shooting” a “FAIL.”



18 Responses to ‘No sale’ on the ‘hateful’ rhetoric/Tucson shooting connection

  • So 32% of Americans (including most of our thought-leading media class) believe in a theory that is exactly as sane as Loughner’s own beliefs, and it looks like another 11% are “undecided”.
    That is not good news. It is a very, very high figure.

    • You actually consider those 32% to be fellow Americans?

      I crossed that rubicon a couple of years ago.

      Someone in the NY Daily News actually headlined his column that Sarah Palin had “blood on her hands” over this.

      I’m sorry, but at that point, I’m out.  Either this person actually believes it, meaning he’s a freaking lunatic beneath my contempt, or he’s just trying to score some points, which is beyond contemptable.

      I can’t consider people like that to be fellow countrymen.  I just can’t do it.  It is a “bridge too far”

      I’m so aghast, I don’t even know where to begin.

      • Only remaining question, is Obama stupid enough to turn this into another Wellstone funeral ?

        I say .. yes, he can !

  • Overall, 57 percent of respondents said the harsh political tone had nothing to do with the shooting, compared to 32 percent who felt it did.


    You’ve underestimated the good sense of the American people and their ability to separate political nonsense from the truth.

    Well, on something so apparent, 32% … is not encouraging.

    • Let me just add:
      Isn’t 32% about the number of people that get all their news from the LapDog/Statist Media?

  • That is to say, 1/3 of Americans hate and fear a large swath of their fellow Americans for reasons which have no basis in reality at all. One third of Americans are interacting with their own imaginations instead of reality. That should concern all of us.

    • It’s okay, they’re the ‘reality based’ community.   Trust me, the rest of us are lunatic jackwagons.

    • Keep in mind, some of them simply believe what their TV tells them.

      My mother in law is an example of a Democrat/leftist who believes her TV. She has a certain faith in Democrats, because she has decided they are the “good people”, and they are now “her team”.  She is from South America, and she immigrated here in the 60s and became a citizen in the 90s. She doesn’t trust the internet, but frankly I doubt she has the ability to filter out the bad info, and her usual approach is to trust an “expert”. A CNN talking head, acting and talking and looking like an authority must in fact be an authority.

      I don’t know if she was aware of ‘memogate”, but she would accept Dan Rather and 60 minutes as the authority, and reject the various bloggers who posted contrary information. Logic, facts and critical thinking are hard, accepting the words of authority is easy.

  • Pay-back (can I say that without inciting violence?) will be a mother.

  • “We here at, our owners, staff and membership, find ourselves in the unfortunate position of apparently being one of the largest (if not the largest) repositories of online postings by someone who has been classified as a ‘monster’ (among other things) due to his (accused) actions of two days ago,” wrote the editors of the website in a statement on Monday.
    They said Loughner posted under the handle “erad3.”

    • erad3 had some strange ideas. In the post I read, he actually wrote well (better than I sometimes do here), but his logic was . . . bizarre.

  • I agree with Retardo and Sharpshooter: that such a large fraction of those surveyed* actually believes the meme is unsettling.  Can you imagine these people on a jury? 

    One wonders if they’d bite if MiniTru was running a meme that the shooter was encouraged by, oh, violent Saturday morning cartoons, Super Mario Brothers, BPA in water bottles, fluoridated water, Santa Claus, or any similarly ridiculous theory.


    (*) On the other hand, the poll is from CBS, so the “Republicans” surveyed are probably friends of the pollster who thought about voting for Reagan.

  • I’m noticing something else at play here. A theory of mine that recent events support, perhaps even validate. This will be long so please bear with me.
    In 2008 I was in an argument with my father. I was lamenting that if only the media did its job, the nation might have a better idea of just who Barack Obama was, and where he wanted to take this nation. As with many of my friends, and evidently a good number of voters, he would have none of my criticism. Pop was, and still is, mired in a hatred of George W Bush. As such, he entirely missed the point I was trying to make. When news media becomes an advocate for a person, or a position, or a policy, we can not trust that media. It is not just that they are no longer ‘objective’; no, they have become willing disseminators of propaganda. Most here know this.
    In a fit, I said that his reliance upon the MSM would come back to bite. All the blowback to the partisan blame-naming that we have seen over the past several days is a good indication of that “bite”.
    No, it is not that the MSM is heavily biased leftward (they are). Rather, that those who have studiously ignored, and many have denied, this bent have seriously damaged their own cause. When one agrees with an author, or commentor, or pundit’s point of view, it is quite easy not to call them out on the inaccuracies they use in promoting their cause. And for forty years, the major media outlets have rarely been taken to task for their inaccuracies. That the narrative was acceptable was/is all that is important – facts be damned. And for a long time, this worked: Bork was Borked, Gingrich shut down the government, Limbaugh was responsible for the OKCity bombing, Reagan and Bush’s support of Israel caused 9-11, Humans cause global warming, and evil corporations (supported entirely and only by the right) caused all of our economic woes.
    Instead of saying “wait a minute MSM, what proof do you have to make that statement” far too many folks nodded in agreement. Not because of a compelling argument, but because of an overwhelming agreement with how the conclusion could change the course of politics. Bork et al were/are bad solely because their views were/are in opposition to the enlightened, and therefore, brilliant judgments of the political “vanguard” – the Left.
    Now what this has led to is a media, and the political left ill-suited to make compelling arguments. All this time, they have been living in an intellectually cloistered tabernacle, only hearing praise for all their illogical and un-provable prognostications. All their “brilliant” arguments are merely juvenile and facile, applauded only because they “proved” the proper position (approved by the ‘right’ cocktail circuits in the ‘right’ locations with the ‘right’ dignitaries approving).
    Pundits of this ilk, say Paul Krugman and many others, have been living in a world of masturbatory bliss. Egos massaged, they willingly shelve any intellectual acumen for further gratification. They proudly spout the approved line, support the approved policy, advocate the approved politican,  fighting evil in the name of (party approved) decency and Nobility.  Hell, a Nobel Prize proves they must be brilliant (and Noble)! But therein lies the (nasty sandpaper) rub. There will come a time when they will not be able to hide their intellectual inadequacies behind a screaming choir.
    This is why we see, I surmise, Krugman, his hosting broadsheet, and so many others, going off the deep end regarding the shooting in Tucson. They are loosing their grip on the narrative, and are petulantly lashing out at those who are more and more willing to reject not just the politically motivated narrative, but also those who mindlessly foist that narrative.

    • bainsThere will come a time when they will not be able to hide their intellectual inadequacies behind a screaming choir.

      That time has already come, and the choir just screams more loudly.  And it works: if the CBS poll is to be believed, nearly half our people have bought into the idea that Sarah Palin is – somehow – responsible for the shooting of Rep. Giffords.  I predict that this number will go up somewhat as the meme constantly flogged over the coming days, weeks and years.  People will “know” that Sarah Palin encouraged a hateful rightwinger to try to assassinate a member of Congress just as they “know” that SUV’s cause global warming or that they “know” that George Bush is a blithering idiot.

    • Bruce, Dale, or Michael – some help with my formatting faux pas please.

  • I’m a patient and reasonable guy but at this point,  I’m way past tired of the crap.