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Pondering the “new civility”

As everyone knows, the “new civility” has been getting quite a workout since the Wisconsin thing has blown up.  Anyone who has kept up with it and read blogs covering it (like Althouse), know this hasn’t been an episode of peace, love and decorum.  It has been one of threats, violence and attempts at intimidation – not to mention a fairly unseemly tantrum. 

So, I have to wonder what happened to all the civility talk after the Giffords shooting?  Especially on the left.  It’s been rather quiet over there since Wisconsin has erupted.  And make no mistake about it, the threats, violence and attempts at intimidation, not to mention the frequent invocations of Goodwin’s law, aren’t figments of the imagination – they’re documented fairly thoroughly for anyone who wants to find them (unlike the MSM).

As the sort of cherry on top of the “new civility” sundae, here’s this email that was sent to every GOP senator (save the one who voted against the bill) by someone who is, and I dare you to tell me otherwise when you read it, deranged and apparently plans to visit violence on each and every one of them:

From: XXXX
Sent: Wed 3/9/2011 9:18 PM
To: Sen.Kapanke; Sen.Darling; Sen.Cowles; Sen.Ellis; Sen.Fitzgerald; Sen.Galloway; Sen.Grothman; Sen.Harsdorf; Sen.Hopper; Sen.Kedzie; Sen.Lasee; Sen.Lazich; Sen.Leibham; Sen.Moulton; Sen.Olsen

Subject: Atten: Death threat!!!! Bomb!!!!

Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes
will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain
to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it
will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit
that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for
more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.
WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in
the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me
have decided that we’ve had enough. We feel that you and the people that
support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing
with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand
for it any longer. So, this is how it’s going to happen: I as well as many
others know where you and your family live, it’s a matter of public records.
We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a
nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn’t leave
it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the
message to you since you are so "high" on Koch and have decided that you are
now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a
demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed
in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent.
This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won’t
tell you all of them because that’s just no fun. Since we know that you are
not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided
to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it’s
necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making
them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families
and themselves then We Will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) you. Please
understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked
everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel
that it’s worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives
of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and
say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!

I can only guess, by the sentence structure, single dense paragraph and spelling, that the person is product of public schooling, which explains why they’re so upset about those 300,000 people.  Some of those are Mr. or Ms. X’s teachers.

Apparently the person also signed the email indicating they may have had the opportunity to have each of those teachers for more than one year.

Regardless, this is not something I remember showing up at offices of politicians when the Tea Party was supposedly so “violent” and “uncivil”.  Maybe I missed it and someone will enlighten me.

And, of course, the new way of venting (“civilly” of course) and shouting out threats, Twitter, hasn’t been silent either.

I’m also wondering if the SPLC will designate the government unions of Wisconsin official leftist “hate groups”?  My guess is the SPLC will somehow find a way to claim they’re part of a militia movement or something.  Everyone knows militias are the ultimate evil – and right-wing fascists.  More likely, the SPLC will ignore it.

There is one consolation though – we won’t have to listen to any condescending, patronizing and smarmy lectures about “civility” anymore from the left. 

Will we?

~McQ

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37 Responses to Pondering the “new civility”

  • Reading this reminds me of the hate mail abortion providers get on a routine basis. And there have been plenty of acts of violence against said providers, families, etc. Doesn’t make this right. However, since the Right was so quick to disavow any possible linkage between the rhetoric on the right and the Giffords shooting I expect to see the same level of disavowing(?) if, and I mean if, anything were to come that could even be remotely linked to the contents of this email.

    • Giffords was shot by a crazy anti-Bush guy.  Political speech opposing the left had zero effect on the Arizona shooter.

    • You need some professional help.  STAT.

      • YYSSW. Is that your “professional” opinion? After reading many of your posts, sir, one could certainly say the same.
        I am hopeful this email was sent to the proper authorities.
        I do seem to recall similar threats sent to Democrats at various levels over the years, especially after 1993 and Clinton coming to office. I guess we’re just supposed to forget about those, right?
        Both sides on this debate do not have a clean history. It would be best for major figures of both parties to publicly, and repeatedly, disavow this kind of crap. I don’t think that’ll stop the fringes much, though.

        • Both sides on this debate do not have a clean history

          >>>  Oh yeah?  Which side just engaged in a riot last night?

          • So, you are suggesting, sir, that the Right is totally pristine in the field of politics and inflammatory rhetoric? I don’t think the evidence would back that up.

          • So, you are suggesting, sir, that the Right is totally pristine in the field of politics and inflammatory rhetoric? I don’t think the evidence would back that up.

            >>> I’m suggesting that a riot engaged in trumps rhetoric any day of the week.

          • If we want history, let’s go back to Obama’s buddy, Bill Ayers, or any of the Chicago 7 or the many folks who rioted back in 1968.  Those who aren’t dead are now members of which party ?
            The only major riots of Republicans seems to have happened in Belfast, North Ireland.
            Or we can address last night and today

        • Bullshit. The left and right are not two sides of the coin; the left has a long history of being unhinged.

          • the left has a long history of being unhinged.

            Yes indeed, starting in 1776.

          • The French Revolution didn’t start in 1776. You have the wrong date.

          • Oh, and also, it was 1776 when we decided we wanted independence. Our war of independence started in 1775, over a year before the Declaration of Independence was penned. Fighting for over a full year before deciding that independence was the correct path reflects a very conservative decision process.

        • well, with all due respect, whenever something comes out like this from the right, republican politicians and especially conservative religious groups fall all over themselves condemning it.

          From the left? not so much. they will reluctantly disavow hate speech and threats from the left if they are put on the spot, otherwise you never hear a peep out of them.

          Furthermore, hateful speech is much more prevalent on the left. If you don’t beleive me then I challenge you to read a day’s worth of Daily Kos or Huffpo, and compare it with a day of one of the biggest conservative blogs like Redstate.  The difference is like night  and day.

          So I’am not really buying into your moral equivalency.

          • Um, actually, I have read stuff from the places you mentioned, and I see little difference in the level and degree of hateful speech from both sides. Now, it may be what you and I would consider hateful speech differs a bit. And I could have visited any of the sites on an exceptionally bad day. I tend to try to stay away from the more extreme places; too much shouting for my liking. Reason and Volokh are about the only ones I will read on a regular basis.
            With all due respect, I don’t recall much disavowing from the Right when Giffords was attacked. But of course there may be things on blogs and websites that I haven’t seen. I only come here on occasion as the blog owners usually have interesting points to consider on the economy.
            I don’t know, this email reads like a HS kid wrote it. I’d be interested in seeing where it came from. I’m certain the proper law enforcement authorities and telecom companies can work that out.

          • With all due respect, I don’t recall much disavowing from the Right when Giffords was attacked.

            What are you talking about? The guy that attacked Giffords wasn’t from the right. He hated Bush. He was a nut. The left attempted to link the attack to the right immediatly, but there was no such link.

          • Um, actually, I have read stuff from the places you mentioned, and I see little difference in the level and degree of hateful speech from both sides.

            Perhaps you see what you want to see.

            Look at Bush and Obama, for example. Bush has consistenly shown class, Obama has consistenly shown something else (“bitter clingers”, etc). Top to bottom, conservatives have consistently shown more class.

      • Elected Wisconsin legislator = Abortionist
        Totally psychotic murder = Author of death threat linked to events
        I don’t have time to fully diagnose your apparent mental incapacity, but that should be enough to get you going.

    • On some level I at least have some rational understanding of violent abortion activists. If you truly believe people are slaughtering babies i can sort of understand violence in that respect. I don’t condone it, but i have a bit of understanding for it that i just don’t have in this instance. This i about whether or not the government will negotiate with unions. The comparison is absurd.

      • No, you don’t condone it, you are just an apologist for such violence.

        • Nope, only pointing out how irrational a person would have to be to want to visit violence of this type for this reason.

          • Nope, only pointing out something just like you did:  <i> don’t condone it, but i have a bit of understanding for it that i just don’t have in this instance.</i>
            Well, my sentiments exactly.

        • Nice bunch of rationalizations, punk!
          Just like your cohort and their tantrums!

    • Yes, this does look like “hate mail abortion providers get”.  Shoe on the other foot now ?
      It’s so funny to watch the “enlightened” contort themselves into full blown reactionaries.

  • I like the way you framed this and explained it too… :P

  • When they hurt someone, Michael “This is War” Moore will be directly responsible.

    • That may be true. Has that fat idiot starting sharing his money yet? Oh wait that’s only for the “other” rich people.

      • Phalanx08,  How dare you say the right might be just as violent as the left.  Everyone who has visited freedomfriesforjesus.com knows that isn’t true!!  The right are a generous, understanding, caring, and loving lot who have never wished a leftie any harm. 

        Plus at Madison I did witness Michael Moore’s speech, after which I personally saw him attack righties with bratwurst and lutefisk.

        Geez…..

        • Kevin I thought that freedomfriesforjesus.com was an actual site! Drat!
          When Moore attacked with bratwurst was it before or after it was digested in his gullet?

          • Phalanx08 Moore ruthlessly attacked with “Cheddarsphere Brats” fresh from the package.

            It might be very interesting when the actual source of the email is identified, very interesting.  We might have to serve up some “Crow.”

            By the way the gov of Wisconsin is supposed to show up just south of us in Washburn, Wisconsin for a republican fund raiser.  The entire population of that town is around 2400 or so.  The local police chief said up to 10,000 may show up to protest against the gov, though a more accurate figure may be 3 to 4 thousand.  Oh, source is “The Daily Press” out of Ashland, Wisconsin, today’s edition. 

  • The fundamental difference between left and right with respect to this, IMO, is the left’s utopian worldview.

    I think left wing utopianism is something an immature personality is likely to adopt. There are some utopian ideas on the right (some forms of libertarianism and possibly among some religious types), but for the most part the right is more pragmatic and grounded.

    • Don, you said:
      <i>What are you talking about? The guy that attacked Giffords wasn’t from the right. He hated Bush. He was a nut. The left attempted to link the attack to the right immediatly, but there was no such link.</i>
       
      And what I attempted to point out is I didn’t see many on the Right falling all over themselves to condemn what happened, regardless of whatever beliefs the shooter had. Now, like I said above, I didn’t follow the news on Giffords to a great extent beyond comments by her family, friends, associates, etc. I do think the rhetoric gets way overheated at times, and both parties are guilty of that. *shrug* YMMV
       
      <i>Perhaps you see what you want to see.</i> And you, as well.
       
      I’m thinking if this email was truly send by a union supporter then wouldn’t that be an explosive piece of news? How about we wait, just like when Giffords was shot, and find out who sent it, and what their motivations were? It would not surprise me to find out this was a false flag operation. It’s not like both sides haven’t pulled those before.
       
       

      • I’m thinking if this email was truly send by a union supporter then wouldn’t that be an explosive piece of news?

        >>>  They’re always cute when they’re that naive

      • ” didn’t see many on the Right falling all over themselves to condemn what happened”
         
        Ah, I see, merely saying the guy was a scumbag whackjob was insufficient.
         
        We had to go into…tantrums?, tirades?, foaming at the mouth disavowal?   Denouncing him, repeatedly, in 1000 word paragraphs to meet your approval?
         
        What would have been sufficient for you, I mean, while sane people in the midst of pointing out that the linkages desperately being established by the leftosphere to campaign adds and vice presidential candidates were totally bogus and unwarranted?
         
        Some advice for future reference, when I say the guy was a whackjob nutcase, and should, at a minimum, spend the rest of his life being monitored by the ‘state’ and be kept apart from society, that’s enough.  I don’t need to go into a lengthy prolonged screed about it unless some dork arrives and spends 4000 words trying to defend said whackjob.
         

    • The question of the day is …

      Why do these people, many of whom are professionals, feel no fear in expressing such death wishes in the open?

      It’s that Topian world view.  It’s the reason that out Treasury Secretary failed to pay taxes .. the reason so many political appointees have had those “nanny” problems .. the reason that lobbyist meet down the street from the White House instead of in the White House.

  • I’ll try to be generous here and say that the e-mail cited is from somebody on the fringe: most lefties are passionate, not violent, and people in the throes of passion often get a little carried away with their language.  However, the police need to have a chat with whoever wrote this; perhaps a few years in a prison cell will convince him that threatening to kill people is not a good idea.

    The fact of the matter is that this would hardly be note-worthy had not the left gone into such bizarre contortions after the Tucson shootings to pin it on “right-wing incivility”.  Indeed, the left has been flogging the “hate speech” meme very hard since at least last summer, when various members of Congress and their supporters in MiniTru, left-wing media (BIRM) and lefty blogs spent quite a lot of time accusing tea partiers of being everything from know-nothings to nazis to terrorists.  Now, we see ACTUAL violence from the left, including at least one very explicit death threat against Republican politicians.  O’ course, those same lefties who hypocritically lectured the right about “civility” are studiously ignoring (or even excusing) the thuggish language and ACTS of their comrades in Wisconsin.  Surprise, surprise…

    McQRegardless, this is not something I remember showing up at offices of politicians when the Tea Party was supposedly so “violent” and “uncivil”.  Maybe I missed it and someone will enlighten me.

    Don’t hold your breath.  Had it happened, it would have been headline news for weeks.  The best the left could come up with was a lurid, fantastical “report” from the SPLC and some bald-faced lies from members of Congress about being the victims of racial slurs.  The real record of the tea party has been large, peaceful protests and parks left cleaner than they were when the tea partiers arrived.

    I also add that the VAST majority of tea partiers (and certainly the blog owners and regular commenters here) would have been outraged by threats of violence against even lefty politicians and demanded prosecution to the fullest extent of the law: mob violence and rule by threats are not things we reichwing rethuglikkkans relish, liberal fantasies to the contrary.

    • ‘I also add that the VAST majority of tea partiers (and certainly the blog owners and regular commenters here) would have been outraged by threats of violence against even lefty politicians and demanded prosecution to the fullest extent of the law: mob violence and rule by threats are not things we reichwing rethuglikkkans relish, liberal fantasies to the contrary.”
       
      Yeah, all in all, that crap is stuck in the ‘things that conservatives frown on’ bin.  Funny the ‘left’ doesn’t seem to recognize that, but I guess it’s simpler to make us all out to be monsters than to presume we actually mean it when we say we favor law, order and adherence to ‘the rules’.   Imagine wanting to actually adhere to something like the Constitution?  Crazy no?  Makes us, practically…NAZI’s!  Imagine wanting the Democrats in the Wisconsin Senate to follow the law and the rules of their Senate?  Crazy, just pure crazy, that’s us, RADICAL CONSERVATIVES.