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Want to get your blood boiling?

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Someone … anyone … other than some nonsense ordnance, what was the purpose of this little exercise except the usual exercise in power?

And have you ever seen a more blatant lie before in your life?

Petty bureaucrats doing petty things to infringe upon your freedoms.  A freakin basketball goal in a cul-de-sac.  Guess all the big problems in the city and state are solved.

Marvelous.

~McQ

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54 Responses to Want to get your blood boiling?

  • Headshots; they’re more sincere.

  • “Ordinance”, not “ordnance” — the latter comes <em>after</em> the soap box and the ballot box…

  • Sorry I have no problem with this whatsoever.  The kids playing in the street is a serious safety hazard.  One of my neighbors does this when the weather warms up and they routinely block my access to my own house.  I’ve almost hit one or more kids on multiple occasions when they chase a ball like an idiot.  Oh and some of the local kids not from our development have been caught breaking into cars after the game breaks up.  Not a fan.
    The whole reason his pole is being pulled is because a neighbor specifically complained about it.  I guess his neighbor got tired of it as well.  You don’t own the street, the state does.  You shouldn’t get to assert ownership for use as a playground for your children.
    The big lie?  I guess that would be that the hoop has been there for 60 years.  He’s lucky that Deldot didn’t fine him the cost of pulling it.

    • Fine, why did they lie to him about letting him keep it?
       
      Anyone can see the cop is not comfortable with what happened there, he walks back from the conversation by the bucket with his head down, and won’t look at the camera.
       
      If they’ll lie about that, what else will they lie about Jeff?  The woman had no intention of letting him keep it, yet she also indicated they had offered to let the homeowners keep the hoops, then clearly, once down, goes forward with her plan.
       
      If that’s the kind of thing you’re okay with, I’m puzzled.  It may be perfectly legal, it’s hardly right.

    • Who the hell is the woman ?  She never identifies herself, at least while the camera is running.

    • I actually grew up around there, and probably shot baskets on that hoop as a kid.  You really don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
      First of all, the issue wasn’t about kids in the street, it’s about the state enforcing its “right” to commandeer your property without paying for it.  DE passed a law in 2005 (long after that hoop was there) that arrogated to itself the power to decide what one can and cannot place on the first 7 feet of your property, to include basketball hoops.  That’s a taking in my book, and the state should be forced to pay for the property its stolen.
      Playing basketball at the end of cul-de-sac like that is incredibly common in the Wilmington area.  Those who say “go to a park” are being ridiculous.  There aren’t enough parks in the whole area to accommodate all the kids that want to play, and there isn’t enough security to look out for them all if they did.
      The thing that galls me most about the whole thing, however, was that woman not only lying, but then threatening the couple with arrest if they didn’t go inside.  Talk about drunk with power.  She had no right to tell them to do anything while they were on they’re own property.  Her stated reasoning of not allowing the couple to heckle the crew taking their property isn’t legally sound IMHO, and seems to me to be a clear violation of their First Amendment rights.
      All over some kids playing basketball.  Simply ridiculous.

      • This isn’t necessarily “a taking”. 
        Most easements where I live are for a 50 ft wide path, which means you don’t control the 25 ft from the middle of the street, even though you own it.  You’ve traded control of that portion of your property for the privilege of having a street pass through that is maintained by the local or state government.
        When I platned trees near the road in front of my house, I purposely planted then more than 25 ft from the middle of the road to make sure the local government didn’t come in and tear them out with some sort of road widening.

        • That’s not how easements work.  They are a permission to enter property, not control it.

          • plus there is a lot of grand fathering of pre existing things like signs and the like.  The state of Delaware won’t replace a lot of older signs because the newer laws in some locales will forbid placements of signs in the same location.
            And another thing is this woman was a Lt in the Delaware state police (Jennifer Griffin).
            What the heck is a Lt in the state police doing in this sort of duty.  Sorta high end isn’t it?

      • “Playing basketball at the end of cul-de-sac like that is incredibly common in the Wilmington area.”

        I would say it is common almost everywhere. I did it when I was a kid, in several states. That is why residential areas have 25 mph speed limits.

      • First of all, the issue wasn’t about kids in the street, it’s about the state enforcing its “right” to commandeer your property without paying for it.

        Except that the state was responding to complaints by it’s citizens.  Also they completely neglected to mention the Deldot informed them of all this in September before they pulled the poles in March.  This wasn’t a surprise.

        • Yeah, that makes it all all right … they notified them. Good deal. Whether or not it was actually a) legal (which seems very arguable) or b) she lied to the guy’s face is incidental.

          • It’s part of Delaware’s Clear Zone law (Title 17, Chapter 5, Section 525 of Delaware Code).  The state has the right to remove any artificial object within 7 feet of the pavement (or farthest edge of the sidewalk whichever is less) in a residential street.  They are supposed to notify them in writing and give the owner an opportunity to reclaim their property after all fines and fees are paid.
            She made it clear that giving him the pole after they pulled it out was a courtesy.  She isn’t actually supposed to do it.  Also notice that between when she told him and when they take the pole, there is a jump cut.  Which means she may have changed her mind about extending the courtesy during that time because he said he was going to put it right back up.

        • “Except that the state was responding to complaints by it’s citizens.”

           

          So?  If a neighbor complains about the color of your drapes, then the cops can just waltz right in and take them?  The neighbor may have been the impetus, but the state was enforcing its power over someone else’s property — property that state has not paid for.

          ” Also they completely neglected to mention the Deldot informed them of all this in September before they pulled the poles in March.  This wasn’t a surprise.”

           

          Actually, they did mention it, and claimed that they were in discussions with the authorities over the whole issue.  I’ve read elsewhere (bit not confirmed) that they were trying to get their basketball hoop grandfathered in, seeing as how it was there long before the state passed a “law” to steal their property control their property.

           

          • Your neighbor doesn’t have a legal right to your drapes and neither do the cops.  Deldot does have explicit legal authority around the streets and any objects near them as granted by Delaware Code.  Code which was lawfully passed in a representative democracy.  You’re fighting the Whiskey Rebellion not the American Revolution here.
             
            They talked to their State Rep.  State Rep probably talked to DelDOT and found out that they had no case, but kept right on talking after saying things like “but I’m a State Rep. Can’t you do something?”  There is no grandfather clause in the Code.  They do have a right to recover their hoop (their property) according to Code.  They do not have any right to it until after they pay the fines and fees. The family could have written a check for $40, demanded that they leave the their pole, and had a just complaint if DelDOT didn’t turn it over. Instead they stood there and yelled “that’s my property!” If the hoodie blonde was smart she would have handed them a piece of paper explicitly telling them what to do to get it back. Of course they probably mailed those instructions out with the notice in September.
             
            And yes, DelDOT could have told the complainer to pound sand.  Were I the DelDOT functionary, I would have told the complainer to pound sand.  Frankly I have potholes to fill this time of year.  But the idea that they have no right, etc. is incorrect.  The state has every right.  The state just has poor discretion about when to press their rights.

          • With apologies to John Houston – Treasure of Sierra Madre
            “Discretion, we ain’t got no discretion, we don’t need no steenking discretion!
            We have guns Seenyore!!”

  • McQPetty bureaucrats doing petty things to infringe upon your freedoms.  A freakin basketball goal in a cul-de-sac.

    Having had my share of run-ins with petty bureaucrats before (I’m the guy you DON’T want to live next door to), I suggest that it isn’t just a little power trip by wannabe dictators, but rather the requested action of other citizens, self-appointed public defenders.  You know the type:

    “HMPH!  Smith has that damned basketball goal RIGHT IN THE STREET!  Who does he think he is, anyway???  That is PUBLIC PROPERTY, yet he thinks he can just take it so his damned kids can play basketball whenever they want, keeping people awake, being a public nuisance.  Well!  If he thinks he’ll get away with it, he’s got another think coming!  I’ll call the city and fix HIS little red wagon!”

    So, some poor schmuck who is more interested in the contents of the snack machine downstairs in the city building (or the HOA management office building) gets stuck writing a letter or even driving out to screw one person at the behest of the other.  The law is the law, I suppose.

    • I’m the guy you DON’T want to live next door to

      What, are you the kinda jerk that doesn’t invite the other guy over when you’re grilling, or offer to share yer beer?  :)

      • No, not at all.  Grilling is fine, and I prefer rum or bourbon to beer.

        It’s the unkempt lawn, the junk on the front porch, the dogs, and general slovenliness that makes me the toast of the neighborhood.

        <:-(

  • Jeff The Baptist, You’re a c*nt

  • Someone trying to justify their phoney baloney job.

  • The good news is – Suzy Creamcheese here will live to regret letting them videotape this……

  • I suggest that the neighbors who want the basketball hoop, get their local politician to condemn the house of the SOB who instigated this and put a basketball court there.

    • Oh, that’s vicious!

    • Eminent domain would allow for the city to take that land, since there isn’t a place for the kids to play basketball safely…

    • The only problem with that is that the kind of chickensh*ts who call the authorities whenever their neighbors pick their noses outside get the privilege of doing so anonymously.
       
      People: God gave you feet with that mouth for a reason: WALK over to your neighbor’s house and TALK to them if you have a problem with them.  Don’t call the cops, the city, or anybody with the power of government behind them until you’ve tried to work it out yourself, like a grown up man/woman.

  • Rules and regulations allow bureaucrats to violate all sense and sensibilities.
     
    And still, folks think that the 2500+ page Obamacare is a triumph of… compassion, wrought not with any pitfalls.
     
    A Navy Seal friend of mine had a euphemism regarding governmental FUBARs – he said his farts always smelled of lilacs and buttered popcorn.  I’m sure that code enforcement agent thought her hair filled with rose pedals and Robins.
     
    Welcome to the Brave New World.

  • Everyone involved in taking that pole – ESPECIALLY the tw*t neighbor that made the complaint – should be found bludgeoned to a coma in an alley somewhere.

    Must be nice to live in Delaware – crime is obviously at zero, and unemployment is so low they have to do busy work jobs like that.

  • to respond to an above comment, yes there are malicious neighbors that will use any code to screw.  Twenty years ago, in a suburb of Denver, I had two beautiful black Lab pups and a big back yard.  I also had a neighbor who looked for reasons to hate life.  Now my dogs were not angels – they could get over the 5′ chain link fence that I put up – until I electrified it.  They barked at squirrels, they barked at unknown passers-by.  And they crapped in the yard.
     
    But every time my crotchety old neighbor called the cops, they came to me and asked what was going on.  No dictates, no ultimatums.  No, those Golden code enforcers were actually trying to keep the peace, letting me know what I was doing to piss off my neighbors, and letting me know the boundaries of the law.  And always encouraging me to talk to my bitter neighbor so that I might mitigate further incidents.  This is how code enforcement officers should conduct their business, and it is why I find the posted video so… both outrageous and depressing.

    • Ok now, realistically, if my neighbor’s dogs got into my yard and if they barked all night, I would get pretty pissed also, maybe he wasn’t as “crotchety” as you make him out to be.

      • In the ten years I lived in that house, I was visited three times by the cops due to my dogs.  Once was to ticket me for dogs at large (I electrified the fence soon thereafter), once because another neighbor’s son thought it was cool to shoot off his cap gun in my dogs face (but from behind the fence, natch), and the third because the old dude just knew the stench he smelled was from my pups feces, even though both adjacent other neighbors also had dogs that used their own back yards.  No, the point I was trying to make was that I did talk with the old geezer and tried to smooth things out – I did that at the behest of the cops because they really didnt want to waste more of their time over stupid code infractions.  The truce we reached was because the cops encouraged us to deal directly with one another – without using a front end loader, or paramilitary dog catchers.

  • So, when a private citizen lies in court, they can go to jail…hello Martha Stewart

    When a government representative lies….let me guess…..

    And we wonder how Obamacare was passed.

  • There comes a time…

  • The pole is stuck in the ground inches from the street. Maybe they wanted to clear the area of road next to the street in that neighborhood to lay fiber optic? It wouldn’t surprise me with the quality of the goals and the looks of the neighborhood. The pole is on government ground, the same area in the front of every single person’s house that is reading this. Hey, I hate the State as much as anyone, but the same thing would happen if you tried to build a shed or something at the edge of the street. It’s jacked, but that’s the police power of government. @Brown:“There comes a time…” Grow up, you gonna take up arms over a basketball goal? There aren’t even any white basketball players anymore. Get over yourself.

    • I am “grown-up” and you never can tell, are you going to defend a basketball goal?

    • Any thoughts about her lies?  The guy was fully prepared for them to take the pole – that’s why he ASKS, politely, if he can keep it.

      They proceed to, needlessly, lie to him, instead of telling him straight up that they’re going to impound it from the get go.

      Hey, if you’re okay with them lying to you in defense of the state’s right to tell you ex-post-facto (see above) what you can have on your property that borders the street, whatever.

      Last time I checked, lying was still considered wrong, legally, ethically, and morally.

    • It’s not the state’s property, it’s that couple’s.  That state simply has an easement, although it is acting as if it’s the owner.

  • The pole is on government ground
    I’m not an expert on Delaware law, but most likely the state has an easement, which means the people there probably own the land to the middle of the street.

    • Or at least have taxes assessed on the property to the middle of the street.

    • If it’s like my portion of New Castle County, the state owns the street outright and there is no easement.  Delaware also has a clear zone law which lets the state remove anything considered an obstruction or hindrance to safe passage within 7 feet of the pavement on a residential street.

  • I am more than supportive of the angry guy and his wife, and I think that the apparatchik who is just following orders is quite sleazy.  I also have to say that people who keep basketball hoops sticking out onto roads are risking an accident with trucks taller than ten feet high.
     
    Move it out of the road!!!!

  • Although the woman lying and trying to suppress their 1st amendment rights is horrible and is one thing.
     
    But with neighbor disputes, there’s always more story than there seems.

    • The fact that so many other poles were taken makes me think this wasn’t targeted at these folks.

      • It sounded like there were 8 specific poles taken.  Others were skipped.
         
        If some of the neighbors were allowing their kids to play basketball until 2 in the morning several nights a week.  I could see where someone would want to get rid of those hoops specific to the parents that won’t stop their kids from playing at a decent hour.

    • None of this excuses a public offical LYING.

      It doesn’t get more complicated than that.

    • Not just a “woman” but a Lt in the Delaware State Police and a 2IC in the state honor guard to boot.
      I really want to know what someone like that is doing this sort of duty.  She piss off her boss?

  • More info – and detail on the honorable “Lying Jennifer” (Honor guard member?  Oh BOY!!!!)
     
    and – more - man, this gets better and better every time i dig deeper – sheesh…..
     
    In her FBI sweatshirt – yeah,
    “the FBI has come to get your basketball pole sir, national security, please do not resist.
    Sorry about the sweatshirt, I’m not really with the FBI, but my Men-in-Black Secret Service sweatshirt is at the cleaners….”
     
     
     

  • Okay, in fairness, I’ve read the video was edited (surprise?) leaving out that the owner says he intends to reinstall the pole, which would naturally incline them to take it with them.
     
     

    • As long as he installs it 7 feet from the edge of the road there is no legal violation.

      • Well, the tape is edited admittedly, however at no time do I hear the hoop owner cursing, mighty hard to get as much tape time in there without cuts if he’s spewing vitriolic obscenity as the same people who cry “editing” also allege, they must have been really good to edit his cussing out.

  • At least one of those hoops (visible at 0:44) seem to be damaged, though I can’t say if it existed before or not.

    Let’s assume that removal was lawful: how any kind of damage inflicted in process will be dealt with? Doesn’t look like removal crew tries to be gentle about it.