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Egypt: So how’s that “revolution” going?

Not so hot if this story is any indication:

An Egyptian blogger was sentenced Monday to three years in prison for criticizing the military in what human rights advocates called one of the more alarming violations of freedom of expression since a popular uprising led to the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak two months ago.

The blogger, Maikel Nabil, 25, had assailed the Egyptian armed forces for what he called its continuation of the corruption and anti-democratic practices of Mr. Mubarak. Mr. Nabil often quoted from reports by established human rights groups.


The charges against Mr. Nabil included insulting the military establishment and spreading false information about the armed forces. The tribunal charged him with spreading information previously published by human rights organizations like Amnesty International on the army’s use of violence against protesters, the torture of those detained inside the Egyptian Museum and the use of forced pelvic exams, known as “virginity tests,” against detained female protesters.

Can’t have anyone “insulting the military establishment” or protesting against torture and “virginity tests” can we?  Sure seem much like the regime they just “threw out” doesn’t it?  Next: Islam begins to push the secular to the side. 

Yup, I can feel freedom ringing out from here.



13 Responses to Egypt: So how’s that “revolution” going?

  • But!  Twitter!  and the Internet!  And facebook!   and Iphones!

    Enough – what liberal nincompoops forget is ruthless people don’t give a crap about what others ‘think’ of them.
    They assess things on a more realistic and forceful basis, like how many divisions do the Iphone users have?
    How likely is it that the Iphone users will soon be firing RPGs from the rooftoops into our APCs?  If the answer is
    not very likely, the Iphone users aren’t going to get much respect.

    As Calivn of Calivn and Hobbes fame observed, rules are only for little nice people.

  • Well you can call me a retrograde, a heartless barbarian, an infidel imperialist whatever, but I am glad that the military is still in control. Because the alternative is the muslim brotherhood.

    Really, some peoples on the earth cannot handle freedom and democracy.  I would not say that is true of all muslims, but certainly is true of the barbaric and backwards Arab culture.  I would also say it is true of the hateful Russian Culture.
    Russians have never been free, and will probably never be free. Their culture demands an iron fist over them.

    I know this may seem controversial, but it is my observations, based upon what I see, and history. Cultures can change, but the change slowly, and sometimes in the wrong direction.

    • What is often forgotten is that the two toughest conversions to democracy, Japan and Germany, had a shepherding hand to keep them on track for more than a decade.  First you have to make them believe that it can work .. and that takes time.
      Russia is a good example of what happens when you believe democracy is easy.

      • Well, when you have a state as the organized crime syndicate, that kinda throws things off a bit.  The Soviet government could brag about low crime stats, because it monopolized crime.
        When the lid came off, the criminals WITHIN the system became free-lancers.

      • What is often forgotten is that the two toughest conversions to democracy, Japan and Germany, had a shepherding hand to keep them on track for more than a decade. 

        >>> You leave out the most important part though – both nations had to be severely whomped on before the people got the idea that maybe they should behave.

        • Germany and Japan already had advanced civil society prior to WW2. They had a strong foundation for democracy that the Arab states simply don’t have.

    • “Really, some peoples on the earth cannot handle freedom and democracy. ”
      That’s fine, until you pause to remember that the military is composed of the very same people you don’t think can handle freedom and democracy.
      There is no ‘them’, in every country, there is only ‘us’, wearing different hats.

      • The military has a strict organization that compensates for that.

        Furthermore I’d argue that the failure of democracy in the ME is due to complex cultural issues. It is a matter of social interaction. A military dictatorship simplifies things, and allows an individual or small group to exert control which may very well be rooted in pragmatic concerns.

        Egypt under Sadat and Mubarick was a dictatorship that was run based upon some level of pragmatic concern. Saddam’s Iraq was a dictatorship that was essentially acting like outlaws. Daffy’s Libya has acted outlaw but responded pragmatically when it realized Bush was serious.

        • No, that’s fine, I get that part – however, if you’re going to have your military run things there isn’t going to be democracy.
          The failure of democracy comes from a source similar to the one you find in countries south of our border, a cultural tendency, in both geographic culture sets, to have things run by a strong central figure, call him a Shah, a king, a colonel or El Supremo – it all works back to the same idea that culturally they tend towards something other than democracy.

    • Its not entirely convinced that the military isn’t the Muslim Brotherhood. 

      • Or enough of the military isn’t Islamic enough to be sympathetic to the MB.
        The attacks on the Coptic Monastery which were not publicized at all by the MSM was an early clue.

  • NeoFirst you have to make them believe that [democracy] can work .. and that takes time.

    shark[B]oth nations had to be severely whomped on before the people got the idea that maybe they should behave.

    Two excellent comments on human nature, politics and “civilization”: people have to learn that “civilization” – broadly defined as respect for the rule of law and a minimum use of coercive force against one’s fellows – is worthwhile to them PERSONALLY before they will support it.  The same may be said for democracy.