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Meanwhile, in Egypt

Don’t worry, be happy – It will soon be a bright and happy day in that benighted land:

Relations between Egypt‘s military rulers and the United States threatened to hit a new low after Egyptian security forces launched unprecedented armed raids on a series of high profile human rights and pro-democracy organisations.

The raids included targeting the US-government funded National Democratic Institute – founded by former secretary of state Madeleine Albright – and the International Republican Institute, whose chairman is Republican senator John McCain. Both organisations are affiliated with the two major US political parties.

The orchestrated move by Egypt’s generals, apparently keen to play up to anti-US and nationalist feelings in the country, will be seen as highly provocative in Washington, which underwrites military aid to Egypt to the sum of $1.3bn (£843m) annually.

"We are deeply concerned," a State Department official told the Guardian.

Are we?  So no more applauding the “revolution” in Egypt and what it has brought? 

Or are we still breaking eggs so the omelet of freedom can be made?

Uh huh.

~McQ

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26 Responses to Meanwhile, in Egypt

  • “Deeply concerned…”

    Huh. It’s almost like they never saw this coming…

    Well, “watch and learn” as a certain goose once told me.

  • Better get the memory hole ready. Perhaps some leftover Stimulus money can be used to expand its capacity.

  • Egyptian security forces launched unprecedented armed raids on a series of high profile human rights and pro-democracy organisations

    >>> A “necessary and exciting” development!

  • I’ve come to the conclusion that the Brotherhood or other fundamentalists have infiltrated the military now and any hope the military (happily beating, kicking, dragging and running over the populace) might have kept the country secular is gone.

    At least I won’t have to sit back and hope the scummy military will triumph over the super scummy fundamentalists. They’re removing that conundrum for me altogether by appearing to be the same people.

    But once they’re done, man, let democracy spring forth and freedom ring baby! It’s all going to be a good and necessary development and come the new year I’m going to do a memory wipe of everything I learned over the last 50 odd years, possibly get a lobotomy to keep me from fallin off the LaLa wagon, and then make joyful noise with the moonpony flag waving set.

    Up will be down, we’ll ALWAYS have been a war with Eastasia and Obama will lead us to the promised land (by then it’ll be Joooooooooooooooooooo Free).

  • The revolution was a great thing, and it’s not really our business to intervene. It’s Egypt’s affairs. Egypt and Libya are starting a needed transition and there will be ups and downs. But Islamophobes and supporters of repressive thugs like Gaddafi (which is what you have to be if you oppose the change) have no solutions. So I for one am still thrilled at the changes in the Arab world, even if I know it’s going to be a long process of change. That doesn’t mean we don’t speak out against attacks on innocents or human rights advocates. But it’s better to be doing that now when that region is in change than having repressive thugs like Mubarak and Gaddafi in power.

    Anyway, it’s not like there’s anything you can do about it, it’s the business of the Egyptians and Libyans, not ours.

    • @scotterb Oh, right. It was a choice between the old repressive thugs and the new, shiny Islamofacista. What an idiot. Seriously, do you read this crap before you post it???

      • @Ragspierre No, it’s just that the people around him have limited memories and / or no capacity for reason. Otherwise, they would see a conflict between a comment like “there’s anything you can do about it, it’s the business of the Egyptians and Libyans, not ours” and his previous support for Obama taking direct action in Libya.

        • @CT Phil @Ragspierre And the support he’ll no doubt slavishly cast to Obumble when we pretend we’re not attacking Syria by using proxy’s and drones.

    • @scotterb As usual, you don’t know what you’re talking about. We already interfered in both situations, with Obama lying as he usual does, and now the bill is coming due. In Egypt, the whole Western media wet its pants over the preposterous “Arab Spring” catastrophe. There was no “revolution” there, of any kind. The army was in power before and after. Now they’re going to become partners with the Muslim Brotherhood (both factions are socialist in a situation already in end-stage socialism, so they’ll be looking to extort more money from wherever they can, but as things continue to deteriorate there will be more repression, not less, than before, with more violence against Coptic Christians and more cooperation with Palestinian extremists against Israel — you probably see that as a real plus, right, Scott?)

      In Libya we took sides in a civil war, with the Obamunists pretending they didn’t know who was on the “rebel” side. So now that it’s going to go way south, it’s no longer any of our business, you say?

      What an incredible jerk you are. Pathetic beyond description. A self-parody of a self-parody.

      • @martinmcphillips @scotterb Yeah, but the Islamofascists are unlikely to come visit Moosescattset College or take any of Scott’s on-line classes because people like us will prevent that from happening and he’ll continue to bask in the luxury of living in a country where he can be a fool and not have to pay the price.

    • @scotterb “even if I know it’s going to be a long process of change”

      My my, how Stalinesque of you – pretend that all the bloodshed and repression is okay and hide it under the cover of soft phrases like ‘needed transition’ and ‘long process of change’. How noble and forward thinking of you Chuck as you bravely acknowledge bad things will have to happen until, well, frankly you don’t have a clue about how long it might take for them to achieve something close to a government that gives all people equality under secular law. Till then we’ll just have to sit back and watch them suffer through stoning women for being raped, honor killings and forbidding non-islamics to worship freely as part of the good and necessary change you foresee.

    • @scotterb Well I at least agree with your last sentence. But it will be our business when then start hosting terrorist training camps and sponsoring state terror.

      I think the changes were inevitable but unlike you, I am hardly thrilled because it takes a certain type of left wing madness to think that it will all somehow work out for the better.

      sure, I concede that given enough time they might change for the better, but we are talking many centuries considering that their dark age philosophy has not changed one little bit in centuries.

      • @kyle8 @scotterb What matters to Scott is, no matter how long it takes, and how many have to suffer, that he, eventually, will could be right. You know, I mean, look how well the 1917 revolution turned out in Czarist Russia! It was a good an necessary development!

      • @kyle8 @scotterb What matters to Scott is, no matter how long it takes, and how many have to suffer, that he, eventually, could be right.

        You know, I mean, look how well the 1917 revolution turned out in Czarist Russia! It was a good an necessary development! Look how swell things are in Russia today, and they wouldn’t where they are without that Russian Spring.

    • @scotterb The revolution was a great thing, and it’s not really our business to intervene

      >>> And you said this RE: Libya right? You have many sides of your mouth and you speak out of all of them, as well as your a**

      • @The Shark @scotterb “For instance, I am from ethical grounds a pacifist. I believe war
        for anything other than DIRECT self-defense (e.g., your house is being attacked) is
        murder, and will never engage in it.” —Scott Erb http://bit.ly/tyVVLu

        “Acts that kill innocents, maim and injure innocents and create long term
        suffering are, IMO, by definition evil. Wars inevitably do that. Thus, war
        is inherently evil. But it may be necessary to prevent a greater evil.” —Scott Erb http://bit.ly/rS4rUO

        “What really gets me are the cowards who support wars from their living rooms, not realizing the massive pain they are causing, especially when 80% of the victims are innocents. Those people are contemptible. But we’re moving away from that mentality, thankfully.” —Scott Erb http://www.qando.net/?p=2919

        “I think [US getting UN approval to wage war on Libya] was an exercise in rather brilliant foreign policy leadership from Obama and Clinton that this kind of result was achieved” —Scott Erb http://www.qando.net/?p=10538

        Principles schminciples!

    • @scotterb “…it’s the business of the Egyptians and Libyans, not ours.”

      Except when the president, who is a member of your party, wages war on Libya? Let us not forget you applauded the US using bombs and missiles in Libya “from [your] living room…when [many] of the victims [were and] are innocents.”, despite the fact that the Libyan civil war did not constitute anything like “DIRECT self-defense (e.g., your house is being attacked)” and those munitions certainly “kill[ed] innocents, maim[ed] and injure[d] innocents and create[d] long term suffering…” which, by your previous statements was “murder” and “evil”.

    • @scotterb “…it’s not really our business to intervene. … But Islamophobes and supporters of repressive thugs like Gaddafi (which is what you have to be if you oppose the change) have no solutions.”

      So, while you did support intervening in Libya via bombs and missiles, you paradoxically argue that the US government has no business to intervene in Egypt, but by not intervening (except that Libya contradiction), you’re not doing anything for good or bad, but, you argue, that anyone who “oppose[s] the change” has “no solution”, except your “solution” is to do nothing (except that Libya anomaly).

      Never mind the fact that the people you are libeling by accusing them of being “Islamophobes” and supporting “repressive thugs like Gaddafi” were opposed to intervening in Libya (you did!) and have not, to my knowledge, proposed using any sort of US military force in Egypt. Not only does it make you a liar to suggest they do, but you compound the dishonesty by making the false dichotomy that anyone who “oppose[s] the change” (which they have done by WRITING comments critical of the dangerous radicals who are poised to fill the vacuum left by the dictators) “have to be” supporters of the dictators and bigots against all Muslims.

      You can’t write three sentences without contradicting yourself.

      Your support for Libya belies all of your arguments and it’s your albatross to wear. Every time you pretend to be a pacifist, anti-war, opponent of intervention, or the like, anyone who witnessed you supporting the US government waging war on Libya should proverbially grab that rotting fowl on your chest and smear it on your lying face.

      • @myweeklycrime @scotterb If you had practised more when you were younger you, too, could now believe six impossible things before breakfast just like the perfidious professor professes.

        • @DocD @myweeklycrime @scotterb The question is, “Why would you want to…???”.

        • @Ragspierre @myweeklycrime @scotterb My guess would be Erb fancies himself as a Lewis Carroll but figured “literal nonsense” was an easier genre to pull-off than proper “literary nonsense”.

  • “The revolution was a great thing, and it’s not really our business to intervene. It’s Egypt’s affairs.”

    Just a quick follow-on to that piece of BS. The “Arab Spring” has American Collectivist paw-marks all over it. Some of the same agents behind OWS were instrumental in Egypt, where they tried out new techniques for fomenting a revolt, shaping images, etc.

    Like our own Revolting Eloi, the yoots of Egypt made the mistake of believing their own bullshit, in that they kidded themselves into thinking they were taking their nation into the modern uplands, instead of just being pawns in the process of plunging it into a new, darker era of much greater repression.

    But the American-Canadian Collectivists used them, too. They “watched and learned”… Heh.

  • King Farouk…overthrown in a coup. Nasser takes charge and then is replaced by Sadat who puts down a coup or two, but is later assassinated. Mubarak takes over.

    I don’t think there was a competitive election for any of these yahoos. So, don’t expect Egypt to be familiar with the concept of “loyal opposition” or “peaceful handover of power.”

    Also, 1948 War with Israel, 1956 War with Israel, 1967 War with Israel, 1973 War with Israel…sounds like we have about 3 decades of war pent up…

  • And now the Muslim Brotherhood, in their rush to demonstrate their moderate stance and peaceful intentions, have declared they won’t recognize Israel.

    Must be another of the good and necessary things about becoming an Islamic Fundamentalist government I suppose.