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953 dead people voted in South Carolina

Aw, come on, we know this doesn’t happen:

South Carolina’s attorney general has notified the U.S. Justice Department of potential voter fraud.

Attorney General Alan Wilson sent details of an analysis by the Department of Motor Vehicles to U.S. Attorney Bill Nettles.

In a letter dated Thursday, Wilson says the analysis found 953 ballots cast by voters listed as dead. In 71 percent of those cases, ballots were cast between two months and 76 months after the people died. That means they "voted" up to 6 1/3 years after their death.

The letter doesn’t say in which elections the ballots were cast.

The analysis came out of research for the state’s new voter identification law. The U.S. Justice Department denied clearance of that law.


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29 Responses to 953 dead people voted in South Carolina

  • Can’t happen, risk too great in doing it, laws in place, must be absentee ballots, racists using minor incidents to justify disenfranchisement.

    There, my mail in for the day.

    • @looker I’d be curious to know if it was absentee ballot fraud or at the polls. I think it is important to identify the specific problem before discussing solutions, don’t you? Or is any story of voter fraud an automatic trigger to require state issues photo ID at the polls on election day. “Hey, the Supervisor of Elections is stuffing the ballot box!” “Oh no, we need to pass a law requiring state issued photo ID for every citizen who enters the polls!” “Hey, people are sending in absentee ballots of dead people!” “Oh no, we need to pass a law requiring state issued photo ID for every citizen who enters the polls!”

      • @CaptinSarcastic @looker EVERY single voter needs ID. Should we find out how the fraud was perpetrated AND who was voted for? Better believe it.

        • @Winghunter @looker Since this story conveniently (for one side or another) omits whether these votes were absentee ballots or in person votes at the poll, I really do not see how you can conclude that ID would have made a lick of difference and therefore be relevant to the discussion. Voter ID requirements have the potential to prevent only one single potential problem, one person physically walking into a polling place and impersonating another person. So, I ask that you show some proof that voter impersonation at the polls is a problem before you tell the millions of eligible legal voters without the spcified ID that they are no longer allowed to vote (until they order their birth certificate ($), take time off work ($) get transportation to the ID office ($) and possibly even have to pay for the ID itself ($). If you can’t show that physical impersonation at the polls is a problem, I can’t support putting that kind of hardship on people.

        • @CaptinSarcastic @looker I live in Colorado that requires voters to register with valid ID before an election whether that be via Absentee ballot or not. The ID is checked and any supporting documentation.

          The American people have the Right to a fair elective process and dammit, we’re going to have it.

        • @Winghunter @looker Sorry Wing, you do not have to produce a valid state photo ID in Colorado. The following forms of ID are valid in Colorado Colorado driver’s license
          CO Dept. of Revenue ID card
          U.S. passport
          Employee ID card with photo issued by the U.S. government, CO state government, or political subdivision of CO
          Pilot’s license
          U.S. military ID with photo
          A copy of a current utility bill,
          bank statement,
          government check,
          or other government document that shows the name and address of the elector
          Medicare or Medicaid card
          Certified copy of birth certificate
          Certified documentation of naturalization

          Colorado’s law does not put undue burdens on voters to solve a problem that barely exists.

        • @CaptinSarcastic @Winghunter what, no note from your mother? my goodness.

        • Yep, looks like Colorado values voters rights over preventing the extremely rare occurances of voter impersonation at the polls. Of course Colorado is one of the smartest states in the union, so no surprise there. States that have passed these restrictive ID laws however…

        • @CaptinSarcastic @looker If you don’t have a valid state photo ID, you MUST have ALL of the following to establish who they are, how long they’ve been in the state and where they live – Not ‘Any of the above’

          Pretty thick, aren’t ya??

        • @Winghunter @looker Wow, you are wrong, twice, and calling me “thick”??? Here is a quote from the Colorado Secretary of State Rule 30.1.6 “Rules Concerning Voter Identification”
          “30.1.6 “ID” as used in these rules shall mean identification as defined in compliance with section 1-1-104(19.5), C.R.S., as a copy of one of the following:”

          Which part of “one of the following” is unclear?
          Further clarification from the same document, “A copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the elector. For example:
          (I) A cable bill or telephone bill

          Do you see the word OR?

          And look, I didn’t question your intelligence, I just made my point and let people draw their own conclusions.

        • @CaptinSarcastic @looker EXACTLY! To establish who you are, how long you’ve been in the state and where you live. As many of those acceptable documents as it takes to get ALL of that done.

          Now, I’m starting a a grass-roots effort to eliminate voting for IQ’s of less than their shoe size! You qualify!

        • @Winghunter @looker That honestly makes no sense at all. If you walk into the polling station on election and present them with nothing but an electric bill as identification, you will be able to sign in and vote. Whatever you are saying seems to be at odds with what the law actually is, but I am really not sure what you are saying.

        • @CaptinSarcastic So, Colorado businesses will protect your cash by requesting ID, and Federal buildings in Colorado will protect themselves from blue haired grannies from Gold Camp, but the one thing that a rich man and poor man BOTH only have one of, their vote, not so much.

      • @CaptinSarcastic @looker heh well if we id’d everybody who voted and there were 1000 of them but there are 2000 votes… I guess we won’t have to spend much time proving someone stuffed the box, right. Clearly you are right, we accomplished nothing at all though by identifying the voters.

      • @CaptinSarcastic Aside from the remote chance of denying a consistently large percentage of otherwise eligible voters from ONLY one side their vote there is NO argument you can come up with where knowing the person standing there voting IS that person is a bad or foolish idea. IF denying voters were outside of the acceptable stastical probabilities it would show up like a sore thumb.
        AND both sides would be able to send observers to polling places to note irregularities.
        But no, let’s instead pretend that on election day it would come as a huge surprise that they needed ID and thousands of Democrat only voters would be turned away.
        Make believe can be fun! It’s done so well for us the last 3 years where we made believe that a guy with no visible experience or job history would make a super President.

        • @looker Poor people and minorities are statistically more likely to not possess valid state issued ID, and they are also statistically more likely to vote Democrat. Voter fraud is statistically more likely to occur in the absentee ballot process, but absentee ballot voters are statistically more likely to vote Republican. The fact is that the ID movement is a solution wanting for a problem.

        • @CaptinSarcastic @looker Wait, I don’t have my hip-waders on!

          If we leave the home to do anything, we need ID and if they vote, they can sure as hell get ID.

          AND it doesn’t matter what scumbag cheats. Catch them and put’em away.

        • @CaptinSarcastic And the statistics, these are based on what is, or what will be?

          I wonder why they vote that way, odd that, isn’t it? Must be because the compassionate Democratic party used to only hassle the dark folk at the polls, that explains the poor vote, sorta. However did they get the black vote, considering, in their compassion, they broke away 11 states to try and maintain slavery. I see though, the story now is after 1964 all the racists in the Democratic party either died or became Republicans. Kinda like all the Soviet communists died in 1991.
          It’ll be good when those of us old enough to remember 1964 are finally buried eh?

        • @Winghunter @looker You may choose never to leave home without ID, but that is a choice, not a requirement. When it is a requirement, our descent to a police state will be complete. It constantly amazes me how insulated people are from the lifestyles of others. People that don’t drive or own cars or have bank accounts can get perfectly well without state photo ID. According to the Federal Reserve, about 28 million adults get by without a bank account. Just because you can’t imagine your life without these things does not mean that it does not exist and is not fairly common.

        • @looker You know as well as I do what happened in 1964, Johnson, with the rest of the Democratic Party, minus the South, broke a filibuster of Southern Democrats to the Civil Rights bill forever fracturing the coalition of Southern segregationists and the rest of the Democratic party. Southern Democrats were always more conservative than the rest of the Democratic Party, but remained Democrats from their yellow dog roots in the Ciivil War era. Once the wedge of civil rights was introduced, there was nothing to hold Southern Democrats from moving toward their more ideologically appropriate party. (See, I managed to say all that without saying Southern Strategy, States Rights, or Dixiecrat turned Republican)

        • @CaptinSarcastic Yeah, the Republicans sat back on the sidelines for 1964.
          “Once the wedge of civil rights was introduced, there was nothing to hold Southern Democrats from moving toward their more ideologically appropriate party. ”
          Oh please, what am I, 10? They did what any smart group does, they went underground and figured out other ways to accomplish their goals, and that didn’t mean they all became Republicans, how does that even BEGIN to make sense, they went to the party that helped force them to recognize equality to help suppress it over there? So now instead of the physical plantation, we have the mental plantation of government dependency. That’s working sooooo well. Ideologically appropriate my ass, yep, you stick with that, the Southern Democrats all became Republicans, and a bunch of the other Democrats suddenly ‘saw the light’.

          Ya know, if you’re going to continue to dress up Atilla the Hun as Jesus Christ, I’m really going to have to start questioning your sincerity. I lived through the last 50+ years, I KNOW what went on and I wasn’t distracted by watching the Super Bowl, or getting my political information from All in the Family.

          It’s like listening to people whine about the Republicans after 5 years when the Democrats controlled the Congress for 40+.
          I’m tired of being consistently being labeled a racist because I’m a conservative, being labeled a capitalist who wants everyone to drink dirty water and breath filthy air, who doesn’t care about the poor, who is ‘AFRAID!!!!!’ of people who don’t look like me, talk like me, or worship like me, who is clinging to a fond white folks memory of America the Great. Want an example? we don’t have to go back too far, let’s look at what the Democrats and the media (ah, but as Twain observed, I repeat myself) distort the facts (and continue to) about the Tea Party. And, no, for the sake of disclosure, I’m not a Tea Partier.

          I’m tired of being lied to, and I’m tired of being lied about. In case you haven’t figured out why that bozo Gingrich is ahead right now, that last sentence sums it up.

        • @CaptinSarcastic As evidenced by how quickly Robert Byrd, Al Gore Sr. and his son left the party.

  • Move along, move along, Barry has proclaimed voter fraud is not a problem and voter ID’s are racist.

    • @Johnny Jones Are voter ID’s relevant to problem in this post? Are you saying these dead voter ballots are specifically the impersonation of dead voters at the polls on election without photo ID? If not, how is denigrating opposition to a solution offered to a different problem relevant?

  • We need to find out who the votes were for.

    • @Winghunter I could post dozens of links that say the opposite, pretty pointless. Make your case and then use a link to support it. Your first link is a case of absentee ballot forgery, which ID laws do not address. The second link is the post that McQ put up last week, and the last link speaks of ID laws and then lists a whole bunch of cases of absentee ballot forgery and registration fraud cases, not of which would be effected by ID requirements. My favorite is the implication that the lefts argument of voter suppression is that if even ONE impersonation fraud vote is cast, it cancels one legitimate vote, and that cancels any suppresion that would occur with millions of people unable to vote in order to prevent even one voter impersonation fraud.What’s next, guilty intil proven innocent?