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Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman and the digital lynch mob

I have to admit watching this “discussion” over the who, what, when, where and how of the shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman with disgust.  I refrained from commenting on it when it first hit the news because I have learned enough over the years to recognize stories where one needs to let it develop a bit for all the facts to come out.

Of course that didn’t at all stop the usual suspects from pouncing on what seemed a perfect story with which they could push their favorite racial themes (Jesse Jackson’s “Blacks are under attack” for instance) and for others to involve themselves in something that they really have no business involving themselves in.

It has laid bare the polarization within this country and how extreme it has become.

The story, if you’ve taken time to research it, is nothing like the cut and dried “whitey killed a black man because he was black” meme the race baiters are pushing.   In fact, if you’ve bothered to research the story, it appears that race had little if anything to do with this tragedy.  It is not a racial issue, even if it has been portrayed as such by the Al Sharptons, Jesse Jacksons and Louis Farrakhans of this world. 

George Zimmerman, if anything, appears to have been an overzealous neighborhood watch person with a history of calling in suspicious activities he saw in his neighborhood.  Treyvan Martin, who lived 250 miles away from that neighborhood, was apparently acting suspiciously (rummaging through garbage cans, etc.) when Zimmerman spotted him.  I doubt that Zimmerman cared one whit what Martin’s skin color was at the time.   Apparently somewhere during that time, a confrontation took place, a fight ensued and Zimmerman killed Martin with a shot to the chest.

A witness has come forward saying he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face. Martin, aged 17 and 6 foot 3, was not the innocent “child” the media has tried to portray.   He was a probably bigger than Zimmerman and was on a 10 day suspension from school.  Obviously that doesn’t justify killing him but it sheds a little different light on the situation.

I can’t get inside the heads of either of these people but is it reasonable to assume, given the situation, that Zimmerman might have feared for his life?   Possibly.  I don’t know – and neither does anyone else.

Does that justify the shooting.  Again, I don’t know.

But of course all the race pimps do. Just ask them.  And so they’ve essentially initiated a vendetta against George Zimmerman, who, by the way, isn’t white even though that assumption was immediately made by many given his name.  Zimmerman’s mother is Peruvian and of Indian stock. 

An example of the thoughtless incitement that is going on can be found with none other than Spike Lee who, uninformed jerk that he is, published Zimmerman’s address on Twitter.    Numerous threats to Zimmerman have been published on Twitter as well.  The New Black Panthers have put a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman’s head.  Louis Farrakhan tweeted that the “law of retribution may soon be applied”, a not-so-veiled threat against Zimmerman.

The irony, of course, is this is a typical lynch mob mentality being stirred up here.  These are calls for violence outside the law. 

No one is claiming that George Zimmerman isn’t at fault here.  He may very well be. We don’t know yet.   That’s for a court of his peers to decide.  Certainly not a marginally informed and inflamed mob.  If something happens to Zimmerman before his day in court, you can most likely look to the digital lynch mob for the source.  I’ve always considered the racist white lynch mobs of the past to be one of the most horrific and disgusting manifestations of the racism of the past.  I find what is happening now no less horrific or disgusting.

There’s also another reason this is on the national radar.  And it has nothing to do with race.  I’ll let my favorite leftist hack columnist at the New York Times lay it out for you:

Florida’s now-infamous Stand Your Ground law, which lets you shoot someone you consider threatening without facing arrest, let alone prosecution, sounds crazy — and it is. And it’s tempting to dismiss this law as the work of ignorant yahoos. But similar laws have been pushed across the nation, not by ignorant yahoos but by big corporations.

If you are inclined to want to see guns controlled or banned and citizens required to flee any sort of confrontation vs. defending themselves, Paul Krugman is right there with you and has the goods on this now “infamous” law.

Except, as usual, it is a mish-mash of half-truths and innuendo cobbled together to make you think that corporate America is actually the villain in all of this.

We talked about this case on the podcast last night.  What is going on right now is all too predictable.  And it again points out how polarized this country is.  And it isn’t getting less polarized.

Final thought.  As I recall, President Obama was supposed to be the “post-racial” President, or that was his claim.  Yet he has inserted himself in two local incidents that I know of (the Skip Gates incident being the first) and inflamed the incidents with his remarks.  That, my friends, is not leadership. 

But then, he’s not a leader, and those of us who have actually been in leadership positions in our lives have known that from the beginning.   Instead he has difficulty denying his liberal roots and not succumbing to their siren call.

He’s an agitator.  And, as usual, he’s stepped in on something he should have stayed out of and made it far worse.  Inserting himself has given impetus, cover and justification for the Frarrakhans, Lees, Jacksons, Sharptons and the New Black Panthers to do what they’re doing.  Instead of calming the waters and talking about trusting the legal system and letting it do its work, he’s done exactly the opposite.

Congrats, Mr. Prez.  If anything happens to Zimmerman, you’re on the hook too as far as I’m concerned.


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70 Responses to Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman and the digital lynch mob

  • Not ONLY the President of the United States has acted to prejudice a jury pool, but Rick Sanct-torum has judged Mr. Zimmerman in public. Here’s a little something to think about, though: the Chevy VOLT is so unmarketable, production is suspended. At the same time, Ruger has announced it cannot keep up with order for its firearms. VOX POPULI….!!!

    • @Ragspierre I love how the media go out and solicit jury pool tainting comments, but, remember, even though Nixon made comments about Charles Mansion, Charlie was still outrageously guilty before and after.

      • @Neo_ Still, Neo, as the highest executive (hence, LEO) in the land, you KEEP YOUR TRAP SHUT, outside of MAYBE expressing condolences. Even that would be highly stilted where there were dozens of killings of “Trayvon-like” kids in Chicago since New Years Day. The SOLE reason this is even a national story is that the MEDIA made it so.

  • I can see this playing out something like the Tawana Brawley saga. If something happens to Zimmerman, he or his family will sue Spike Lee, Frarrakhan, Jackson and Sparpton, but like the Tawana Brawley saga, they will never pay the final judgement. I you remember, Al Sharpton never paid a dime. His system of faux charity organizations had him making no money, at least on the books. It was the friends of Sharpton who eventually paid off the judgement.

  • I gotta tell ya, as a 5’2″ woman, I like the doctrine that you can shoot if somebody’s just beating you up. If there’s a 6 foot man on top of me beating me up, I’m sure as hell gonna shoot him. Maybe he only intended to beat me up, not rape me or beat me to death. I have no way of knowing that, I’m not going to wait to see how it plays out, and I don’t want to find out what happens when he discovers that I’ve got a gun and disarms me.

    I don’t favor killing people, especially when they haven’t threatened with a weapon, but fists are weapons to people who are smaller and weaker than the assailant, and if I’m armed, my weapon is accessible to anybody who’s got me pinned. You can’t tell me that you think I should just let him rape me because he hadn’t (yet) pulled a deadly weapon, possibly my own deadly weapon, on me.

    Just something to think about when you’re deciding whether people should be allowed to retaliate against a beat-down with deadly force.

  • First of all, the Times has discovered a race I never knew about. What the f**k is a “white hispanic” anyway? I’m a lazy man but if I used google or lexis to search for that phrase, I’d bet my left arm that it RARELY was used until now. A hispanic guy shot a black guy. HOW DID WHITEY GET DRAGGED INTO THIS??? And I love the picture of 12 year old Trayvon the press is floating around, as opposed to a more current pic. Nope, no agendas there. Hey, the stand your ground law looks like it needs to be fixed up a bit but my advice to Zimmerman is to get out now. The mob will either make the police unjustly arrest him, or the New Black Panthers will collect their bounty.

    Anything that can advance the Dems narrative will fly here. Contrary facts will be summarily ignored. And a big F**K YOU to Pres. race-baiter. This is the sort of thing a real pres. keeps his yap shut on. Trayvon would look like your son? In that case the local PD has a book full of mugshots of your other sons as well, you cretin

    • @The Shark Seminole State College has expelled George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, setting off a debate over whether Florida has been too slow to charge Zimmerman in the shooting, WKMG News reported. College officials released a statement saying: “Due to the highly charged and high-profile controversy involving this student, Seminole State has taken the unusual but necessary step this week to withdraw Mr. Zimmerman from enrollment. This decision is based solely on our responsibility to provide for the safety of our students on campus as well as for Mr. Zimmerman.” Zimmerman was enrolled in an associate in arts degree in general studies.

      Because crazed lynch mobs of Collectivists inflamed by non-issues are dangerous.

      • @Ragspierre If that guy is smart he leaves the country TODAY. Maybe this ends with him free and clear, but I doubt it. The Al Sharptons of the world have a fun habit of leaving blood in their wake – just ask Yankel Rosenbaum and the people who died in Freddy’s Fashion Mart. ZImmerman’s freedom is in danger if not his life. The local PD will find a trumped-up reason to arrest him to quiet the mob

  • PS- Speaking of the digital lynch mob, such love for Cheney from the left this weekend. “New civility” my a**

    • @The Shark I am always touched by their shows of tolerance, respect, compassion, etc. Just WHERE I’m touched is the question… Been pretty active on the blogs over the weekend, and it is amazing to me the hate out there, and the complete willingness to swallow whatever load the moonbattery shoots.

      • @Ragspierre I’m not amazed at the hate. They’ll eat their own in the blink of an eye, they aren’t nice people inside.

        • @looker ” they aren’t nice people inside.”—————–But I am sure they are very spiritual.

      • @Ragspierre [pedantic]

        hate (v)
        hatred (n)
        hateful (adj)
        hatefully (adv)
        Yes, I know that most dictionaries include a definition of “hate” as a noun, due to the common usage. But most instances I see in the media grate on my nerves, because I find them too reminiscient of “Newspeak”. There’s the “Two Minutes Hate”, as a direct example. Also, phrases like “hate crime”, “hate speech”, “hate group”, etc. sound too similar to “crimethink” or “crimespeak”. A short, more guttural word or phrase which is more and more used reflexively as a label to pigeonhole a complex array of concepts tends to short-circuit thought.

        Not that I consider these comments here to be anything like, for example, the SPLC putting out lists of “hate groups” which include everything from honest-to-goodness skinhead white supremacist scumbags to libertarians who are not racially prejudiced. Apparently, Morris Dees and his ilk want to define “hate” to be more like “thoughtcrime” than actual hatred, knowing that the media and most people who see their propaganda won’t bother to make any distinctions, either.

      • @Ragspierre Archbishop Chaput of Philadelphia, in a Lenten Letter to his pastoral flock, said that evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant and then tries to silence good. Such a metaphor should not go unrewarded.

    • @The Shark – Saw that and you are absolutely right about the “love” given Cheney by the left.

  • I note that having inserted himself, that he no longer feels obligated to observe that the Black Panther’s ‘warrant’ is not in any way legal, and I eagerly await his order to the DOJ and FBI to start an investigation of the organization issuing such warrants, as they most certainly would if a warrant for Louis Farrakhan was issued by the Old White Sheet Wearers Racist Brotherhood.

    • @looker I read that Zimmerman’s employer and fellow employees have also been threatened, so he can’t work. This is what mobocracy looks like. And I haven’t heard a word from the Federal govt. about the NBPP, Lee, or anyone else. Obama SHOULD HAVE taken to a microphone to calm the waters he troubled the other day, but that AIN’T happened.

      • @Ragspierre Don’t matter, what’s important is helping stir up a crisis and then taking advantage of it. I await his observation of the kid shot and killed at Miss State over the weekend. I guess he won’t be telling us the kid looked like the son Baracka would have had. The DOJ and FBI sure are going to have their hands full, investigating all these crimes that used to be investigated by local law enforcement.

  • When this is all said and done, I have a hunch it’s not goiing to look at all like bad or negligent police work. Zimmerman claims that he was walking toward his SUV when he was attacked from behind. He did apparently have a wound on the back of his head that suggests he got clocked first and went down. The eyewitness says it was Zimmerman screaming for help, not Martin, and that Zimmerman was down on his back getting beaten by Martin who was on top. One report has it that Zimmerman’s nose was broken. That means he was likely stunned and disoriented and was afraid he was about to get brained. He was able to pull his gun and fire, which raises the question of why Martin didn’t see that and struggle for the gun. It suggests that Martin was in a beat-down frenzy and wailing on Zimmerman. That’s all quite a different narrative than the Sharpton-media narrative, where a young boy is stalked by the beefy and obsessed neighborhood watch bully. There could be an element in here where there was a direct face-to-face confrontation from which a fight immediately ensued and where Zimmerman was the provocateur, but it’s not looking like that to me. If he is telling the truth and was walking to his vehicle and got hit from behind, then we don’t know enough about Martin, because that’s not the good-two-shoes narrative with which he’s been portrayed.

    • @martinmcphillips One of the 911 calls places a ‘guy in a white shirt’ on top of someone else. The caller cannot identify the race of the guy because it’s dark, nor can they identify the guy on the ground. All he can see is a guy in a white shirt on top of someone else hitting them. Go figure. I heard a couple of them, one in particular, distinct cries for help, which stop, after the sound of a single gun shot. Several people called this in.

      • @looker The eyewitness sees the guy in the red shirt on the bottom being beaten and yelling for help. Zimmerman was wearing the red shirt. Martin was wearing a grey hooded sweatshirt. He was on top. After the witness makes his 911 call, and the shot has been fired, the guy who was on top was lying on the ground. That was Martin.

        • @martinmcphillips Yes, I heard about that one. A call I heard today very explicit in being unable to say, cannot identify anything other than a guy in a white shirt sitting on someone and hitting them. The dispatcher specifically asks about race and the caller responds that they can’t tell because it’s dark. It’s definitive in it’s very lack of racial detail.

        • @looker I didn’t hear the 911 call from a witness. I heard a witness who made a 911 call give an interview to the local TV reporter (from behind his front door, so that his face did not appear on camera).

        • At around the 7:52 mark forward.

        • @martinmcphillips From around the 7:30 mark.

        • @looker I listened from the beginning before skipping forward, and that was some screaming bloody murder on the first call. If that was Zimmerman he sounded in extremis at that point. You would have to believe, if it was Martin screaming, that Zimmerman was a cold-blooded killer who after wailing on Martin took out his gun and shot him for good measure. I don’t think that’s plausible, given the wounds he sustained. So, sounds as though he was in desperate straights when he fired the shot.

        • @martinmcphillips And note, one shot, not a fusilade, which you would expect from someone ‘losing it’.

    • @martinmcphillips I dunno. I was not there. I think it very wise to refrain from conjecture. But I saw nothing about the police, their chief, or the investigation that suggested what some are pleased to call “Southern justice”. Sanford is a pretty American city, with an AA city manager.

      • @Ragspierre I think it’s wise to refrain from conjecture if there isn’t a race-baiting lynch mob being incited by Sharpton from his media platform at MSNBC. But since he has been able to establish a false narrative, eliminating all the facts that tell a different story, it might help keep George Zimmerman from being the victim of a street execution to offer a narrative where those facts are included.

        • @martinmcphillips Mabe, martin. But I don’t do much…at ALL…predictated on what Al Sharpton does. Personally, I don’t think you counter a false narrative with anything but the truth, and I don’t pretend to know the truth. I DO know that our system affords Zimmerman a legal presumption of innocence. That suffices for me.

        • @Ragspierre I’m not interested in anything but the truth.

    • @martinmcphillips It’s automatically bad police work because the designated “bad guy” wasn’t arrested and summarily tried and convicted

  • I do know this however, most crime in the United States is probably caused by the Republican Presidential Candidates. From Wall Street malfeasance to racially motivated crimes in Florida. From sea to shining sea. Mitt Romney causes them by not speaking up, New Gingrich causes them by talking about the poor, Rick Santorum causes them by talking about contraceptives and Rush Limbaugh, especially, causes them by being on the air. If Limbaugh had a show that featured an hour of dead air, it would cause horrific crimes to be committed.

  • As late as today, we have major Mushroom Media referring to Mr. Zimmerman as a “white Hispanic”. From today, I will refer to Mr. Obama as a “white Black” with perfect permission from the media.

    • @Ragspierre Now we mustn’t fall into their trap of turning ‘hispanic’ into a race. They’re having to qualify because up until now when they SAID ‘hispanic’ they MEANT brown people descended from the Native American population of North America. That you and I hate and don’t want sneaking into our country because we’re racists. Now we have to have a new category that can be hated on since we all know it’s only possible for whites to be racists. Hence “White Hispanic”. He can be a racist you see even though he looks more like Hugo Chavez’s son than Victor Hugo’s son. But he has to be whitey somehow for this to work, so, by God, whitey he is.

      • @looker “White hispanic” is as made up a race as “Narnian” But there’s a narrative to push, and somehow the Dems think it helps them. But Rags – please don’t refer to Obama as a “white black” – his true color has always been red.

    Now THAT was a gutsy call. Good to see.

  • The official Obama team is now pushing the Obama hoodie.

    Obama-Hoodie…??? That will not end well…

    • @Ragspierre I suppose that’s better than the ‘cracker’ t-shirt they’re pushing now with Zimmerman’s picture on it.

  • Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head

    With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel.

  • Altercations can get out of hand, quickly. Now, I know it may come as a complete shock to some of you guys, but I’ve had my fair share. When I was young and my blood could easily boil over, it didn’t take but a few drinks and a cross look and I was ready for action. I remember getting into a bar fight with a guy who simply insulted the music I had selected on the jukebox; another time I decked a guy who bumped me while I was taking a shot on the pool table and he refused to apologize; I was jumped by a cowboy who thought I had earlier insulted his girl even though I had never stepped foot in the bar than night (two black eyes and a broken nose). I like to think I’ve won more than I’ve lost, but I’ve gone home bloodied and bruised a few times (it is a wonder that I’ve remained so good looking over the years). The point is, that I know how quickly things can get out of control, and an otherwise harmless situation can turn into something different.

    McQ’s right, we don’t know all of what happened. But we do know a few things – we know that Zimmerman was more than an “overzealous neighborhood watchman.” He continuously harassed the 911 system suggesting that he was unstable; he got out of his truck to pursue Martin when he was advised against it; Martin had every right to be in the neighborhood; he called Martin a “coon”; we have no proof that Martin was breaking any laws.
    At the very least, you should give Martin the same benefit of the doubt you choose to do with Zimmerman.

    McQ suggest that it is wrong for the likes of Sharpton, Jackson, Krugman, Frarrakhan, and, of course, Obama (he’s got to include Obama in this because if not…. why bother?) to jump to conclusions without all the facts. But that is exactly what Ragspierre, McPhillips, and others, do in this comment thread.
    This tragedy has turned into a right/left divide. And for most of you here, because the members of the “left” have chosen a side, you must then choose the other side. Making you just as guilty as they are.


    • @PogueMahone
      ” But that [jumping to conclusions] is exactly what Ragspierre, McPhillips, and others, do in this comment thread.”———————-
      ” we know that Zimmerman was more than an “overzealous neighborhood watchman.” He continuously harassed the 911 system suggesting that he was unstable”—
      Even if *your* conclusion that he is unstable is true, how is that relevant? There are various kinds(?) of instability.

      ———- “he called Martin a “coon”‘——-Vas you dere, Charly?——————————-

      “we have no proof that Martin was breaking any laws”—Who said he was?

      —————————————-” Making you just as guilty as they are. Cheers” I cannot improve on that.

      • @timactual … Here’s the difference, Tim. I’m not constructing a narrative on the events of that night. Get it? Look, there are absolute facts, and opinions can be drawn to make reasonable assumptions. Zimmerman made, over the course of 8 years, at least forty-six 911 calls – including calls about stray dogs and garage doors being left open. Ask yourself this… How many 911 calls have you made over the last 8 years? Me? I’ve made none. And unless you have an ailing family member that often has medical emergencies, then you have no business calling 911 dozens and dozens of times. If you do, then yes… it suggests that you are unstable. Why is that relevant? Because a 17 year old kid, who by all the evidence we have was committing no crime that night, lies dead in the street by a guy who carried a gun and deemed stray dogs as an emergency. That’s why.

        I’m not here to indict Zimmerman, only to suggest that others give Martin the same benefit of the doubt as they do Zimmerman.

        BTW, that audio breakdown clip, as interesting as it may be, doesn’t conclude anything one way or the other. I’m not impressed. It sure sounds like he was saying “coons” and not “punks” but I will admit to reading the transcript before hearing the audio – which could alter my perception. (see? I’m willing to admit I could be wrong. Do you?)

        Either way, …. punks or coons …., it does display an obvious animosity toward an individual who had otherwise not harmed Zimmerman. Which goes to frame of mind.

        • @PogueMahone I heard the 911 audio and it’s not at all clear he called the kid a coon

        • @The Shark … Maybe not, Shark. But would you deny that he displayed an unwarranted animosity toward the kid before any altercation took place? If he did, it doesn’t look good for Zimmerman, and his attorneys will have a tough time convincing a jury that he was just an innocent observer willing to let Martin alone till the cops arrived. I mean “fucking punks” or “fucking coons”, when a 17 yr old kid ends up dead, doesn’t garner much of a distinction, does it?

        • @PogueMahone Meh i say lots of things under my breath also and that doesn’t mean someone winds up dead. I don’t know if it “looks good” for Zimmerman or not from a truth standpoint, but it’s pretty clear he’s going to be arrested and charged and found guilty because of mob pressure.

        • @The Shark I bet not, Shark. Maybe my native optimism, but…

        • @PogueMahone As for unwarranted animosity, when I see some strange kid hanging around my neighborhood during time he should be in school, I guess I also have some” unwarranted animosity” towards him ( though to be fair, I wouldnt take it in the direction Zimmerman did cuz I’m lazy)

        • @PogueMahone

          “who by all the evidence we have”——————And the evidence is not all in, including any concerning Zimmerman’s ‘instability’. ———————“only to suggest that others give Martin the same benefit of the doubt as they do Zimmerman.”———-

          “that audio breakdown clip, as interesting as it may be, doesn’t conclude anything one way or the other”—I didn’t say it did, but it is at least as persuasive as your assertion that Zimmerman is a racist. I give him the benefit of the doubt, you see.—————–“it does display an obvious animosity”–Ah, more of that ‘benefit of the doubt’ stuff. ===============

          Sounds like you are constructing a narrative to me, and it sounds a lot like the narrative Sharpton et al. are promoting; unstable, racist vigilante guns down innocent young black kid in cold blood.

          ———“I’m willing to admit I could be wrong. Do you?”—

          I don’t recall having expressed an opinion on either individuals guilt, innocence, niceness, virginity, etc.

    • @PogueMahone Nah, I started out on the Martin side of this equation (along with Jesse and Al, and the Black Panthers) and as the evidence comes out am back to the middle. My conclusion was akin to yours, an unstable night watch guy, who did have a record of calling 911 for fly sneezes goaded the kid. I’m still not sure he didn’t goad the kid which may have resulted in the kid nailing him when his back was turned. I don’t know, I wasn’t there afterwards and didn’t talk to the witnesses. But it’s not as simple as Zimmerman the ‘white’ racist gunning the kid down for being black while walking.
      As far as Barack goes, excuse me, what the F* business is it of the President of the United States? Pulese…he should have gone golfing. I asked earlier, is he going to comment on the white kid shot in Mississippi allegedly by 3 black suspects if it turns out it’s not mere allegation? You see where this goes? We’re ALL Americans, it’s not his freakin job to be picking sides based on skin color and appearance and he sure as hell did and he sure as hell shouldn’t have.

    • @PogueMahone Wow … what a collection of nothing.

      Btw, as Timactual points out, no one accused Martin of breaking any laws … that’s your strawman. No one said he didn’t have a right to be in the neighborhood. Another of your strawmen. What was pointed out is that the story told by much of the media was more of a manufactured narrative than factual accounting of what happened and has been used to generate the usual over the top outrage by the usual suspects.

      And yes, I included Obama … he had a chance to cool the issue and instead he inflamed it. That’s pertinent to the point of the post, which obviously you missed… again.

      Like I said before, being contrarian is sometimes useful. You, however, have found a way to turn it into something useless. Well done.


      • @McQandO … So, me agreeing with you is somehow being a contrarian? Maybe you missed it. Read it again. Particularly the part when I wrote, “McQ is right.”

    • @PogueMahone I’ve been gone a bit, doing the work of the angels…only to come back to this crock of crap. Poque, just where did you find me “jumping to conclusions” about Martin/Zimmerman. Or was that just a beery lie…???

    • @PogueMahone Hey! Poque, you lying SOS, I asked you a question. Come on and post a quote.l

  • The best part of this media circus is that whenever something embarrassing about Zimmerman’s past comes to light, the media and The Internet go crazy accusing him of being violent.

    However, when we learn something bad about Trayvon, such as suspensions and the like, suddenly the media is “twisting the story” and “killing his reputation.”


  • In the meantime SCOTUS is hearing arguments on Barackycare and this is what the nation is rivited to. What a coinkydink

  • More details came out today. Zimmerman claimed that he lost sight of Martin, was returning to his vehicle, when Martin came up behind him and asked him if he had a problem. Zimmerman said that he said no. Then Martin said “you do now” and punched Zimmerman in the face breaking his nose and sending him to the ground. Zimmerman claimed that Martin jumped on top of him and began slamming his head on the cement sidewalk. Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head when police arrived and his back was wet and covered with grass. The eyewitness, who ran up to his apartment and called 911, said that it was the guy wearing the red shirt who was on the ground (Zimmerman) being beating by the guy on top of him in the white shirt (Martin) and that it was the guy on the bottom (Zimmerman), obviously, who was screaming for help. Taken in just that frame, it’s straight up self-defense. I’m interested in where the incident took place vis a vis Zimmerman’s vehicle (I think if he’s right there near it that it lends a lot of credibility to his story because it verifies that he was withdrawing). But there are still questions about direct provocations and the initiation of the physical encounter. Also, the goody-two-shows presentation of Martin is falling apart. There were three school suspensions (he was serving a ten-day suspension when he was killed). And there’s other stuff that hasn’t gone mainstream yet.

    • @martinmcphillips Well, it was okay and necessary to delve into even the genetics of Zimmerman, but not so much for the kid. I DID read some interesting info in UK newspapers, but Dick Cheney’s heart is more important here in our news.

  • Well this just has to be confusing as all hell for the left as all these pigeons come home and roost simultaneously – Zimmerman, the ‘white’ hispanic is a registered Democrat.

  • Hey! How come nobody is congratulating Zimmerman on his promotion from untermensch (hispanic/victim) to ubermensch(White/victimizer)?

  • It’s the Duke University lacrosse team all over again.
    You’re guilty until you’re proven guilty.