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ObamaCare: It just gets better and better

And, of course, I say that facetiously.   As it stands now, it has fostered more government regulation, more bureaucrats and more intrusion in epic proportion:

"There’s already 13,000 pages of regulations, and they’re not even done yet," Rehberg said.

"It’s a delegation of extensive authority from Congress to the Department of Health and Human Services and a lot of boards and commissions and bureaus throughout the bureaucracy," Matt Spalding of the Heritage Foundation said. "We counted about 180 or so."

So, minimally (we all know they’re not nearly done) 13,000 new pages of regulation, 180+ boards, commissions and bureaus and, of course, scads of bureaucrats to fill them.

Then there are the new broad powers granted HHS and the IRS.

Yes, friends, that’s right, this is how you make health care less expensive and better, not to mention making government less intrusive.

Probably the funniest thing, in a sad and ironic way, is the fact that there are still millions of people out there who believe the propaganda that sold this crap sandwich to the public.    Someone among them I’m sure will someday be able to explain how adding costly regulations and layers upon layers of bureaucracy somehow helps reduce the cost of health care delivery.  

According to James Capretta of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, federal powers will include designing insurance plans, telling people where they can go for coverage and how much insurers are allowed to charge.

"Really, how doctors and hospitals are supposed to practice medicine," he said.

Wait, wasn’t one of the primary problems with the old system, per the Democrats, a problem of insurance companies telling doctors how to practice medicine?

See, solved by government, right?

In fact, one master has been replaced by another one, the newest master being the most inept, inefficient and corrupt of the two.  And, of course, no one has yet explained how all of this is going to ensure people have better access to a doctor.  Why?  Because, quite simply, having insurance doesn’t guarantee care.  And with the disincentives provided by massive increases in regulation (and the increase that will cost for compliance) and oversight via these board, commissions and bureaus, my guess is there will be fewer doctors in the future.

So prepare to enjoy the dawning of the age of ObamaCare and the attendant disappointment, shock and anger it will eventually engender among the public.  There are some things that one shouldn’t mess with, and people’s health care is one of them.

Forward.

~McQ

Twitter: @McQandO

33 Responses to ObamaCare: It just gets better and better

  • No no no!  I have it on good authority, this increased our freedom!  Really.   If you squint, or maybe close your eyes, you’ll see it!
     
    We’re gonna be livin the dream!

    • “I have it on good authority, this increased our freedom!”

      Sure, because our current system is double-plus ungood. Just ask any good academic. There was one published in the Nashville Tennessean today. Here’s a sample:

      “The Tennessee health-care industry and human-services professionals — nurses, social workers, counselors, therapists, physicians and other health-care professionals — should join forces to urge state lawmakers to gain the maximum available benefits for Tennesseans under the Affordable Care Act.”

      Translation: we moochers in Tennessee need to get our goodies before everyone else does. The rest of the editorial blathers on about the grants that have already been awarded, and uses argument by assertion, just like our imbecilic professor from Maine, to support Obamacare. That is, this guy never dares consider what the act will actually do; he just asserts that it will be wonderful and so, so much better than what we have now. Standard leftist cant.

      Now, here’s the punchline. It won’t surprise you to find out that he’s a professor of sociology and political science at Vanderbilt.

      • Just ask any good academic.

        (SNORK…!!!)  You made me shoot Black Butte Porter out my nose!  It’ll set you free, sinus-wise…

  • “As the Secretary shall determine…”
    My ass.  And, if you allow this to happen in your life, it WILL be your ass.

  • Make improvements then.  Every other advanced industrialized state has universal health care.  They spend much less than we do, have superior outcomes, cover everyone (we leave tens of millions in a health care ghetto where many refuse to get care out of fear of the cost and bankruptcy), and avoid medical cost bankruptcy (over half of our bankruptcies come from that).  Conservatives support health care systems in other countries, as do majorities across the world.  They look down their noses at our broken, expensive, unjust and dysfunctional system.   Health care is alongside education and police protection as basics that should be provided citizens of a wealthy country.  It’s a national shame that our system is so ineffective and focused on wealth – it’s proof that markets are not in and of themselves just.   The current plan has problems, I agree — but Republicans should stop trying to defend the indefensible — a system created by the market — and instead work with Democrats to figure out where problems are and fix them.  Seriously – compare our system with those that exist elsewhere, systems with no long waits, total care, lower costs and people having their own personal physician, and there is no way anyone can defend what we had.

    • Except for the fact that as Greece, Spain, Ireland, Portugal, Cyprus, Italy, and Britain have shown, those universal systems are unsustainable even with citizens paying 50% of their income in taxes.  Even our neighbors to the north have thousands flooding into our hospitals every year because of six to twelve month waits on nearly all surgeries and weeks on just standard visits.  You can’t just “go to the doctor’s office” in any of these “advanced” countries.
      Meanwhile you’re telling me I will prefer your system where I give up half my income to pay for fat, lazy ghetto trash to get free diabetes care so they can continue to eat junk food and lie on the couch all their life because they’re too disabled to work, and contribute zero to society while having half a dozen stupid, lazy ghetto kids, all of which my taxes get to pay for while my family suffers?
      I will fight you and your kind by any and every means necessary.  1776.  1861.  2012.  I’m betting our side wins, genius.

      • “You can’t just “go to the doctor’s office” in any of these “advanced” countries.”
        Actually you can… you just have to buy private healthcare… oh wait…

        • Oh stop Doc, what would you know?
          You only live there.
           
          Our dear professor has the advantage of a lofty overview from thousands of miles away where he can see the big picture, not the gritty little weeds and details.  He just KNOWS it’s a national shame.  A shame!  do you hear!   There are other shames, but this is the one we’re addressing now.   We’ll get around to the whole armed, free speech, freedom from constant government intervention thing in good time.  Eventually we’ll learn to do as we’re told by wise people like, him.

      • “fat, lazy ghetto trash”
         
        Are you a troll, or just stupid?

    • They spend much less than we do, have superior outcomes, cover everyone (we leave tens of millions in a health care ghetto where many refuse to get care out of fear of the cost and bankruptcy), and avoid medical cost bankruptcy (over half of our bankruptcies come from that).

      Those are simply lies.

      They look down their noses at our broken, expensive, unjust and dysfunctional system.

      Before and after coming here to get their asses saved.

      It’s a national shame that our system is so ineffective and focused on wealth – it’s proof that markets are not in and of themselves just.

      “Just” is like “fair”.  WTF?  Markets brought you all you enjoy, you stupid phuc, including your health care.  They assure choice, innovation, efficient use of scarce resources, and improve the standard of living.  Your BIG GOVERNMENT ruins.  Everywhere it is tried.
      Health care should be like police and public education!?!?  You may want to try something successful as a talking point, you moron.  Or consider; I have a natural right to self defense and teaching my children.  I agree to delegate those in part for police protection and public education.  What natural right would I be delegating to provide your soft ass health care?

    • ” Every other advanced industrialized state has universal health care.”
       
      Where, oh highly educated and much degreed swammy, did Obama’s plan create Health CARE?  Show us.  Show us the provisions for more doctors, more nurses, more medicine, more hospitals.  Show us the plans for the government doctors, hospitals, ambulances, clinics.  Show us, you gullible twitterpatted bait and switch befuddled dufus.
       
      Stop talking about universal health care and SHOW US WHERE OBAMATAX created a HEALTH CARE system.
       
      Stop mouthing off with your normal hand waving platitudes and SHOW US, or be quiet and let the adults talk about the TAX system and government boards, commissions and bureaus that this monstrosity is about to unleash on all of us.
       
      Did you bother to READ what Bruce wrote or are we in for another of your trips down unicorn fantasy lane?
       
      Until you are able to properly distinguish between a punitive tax and payment system, and a HEALTH CARE SYSTEM…SHUT UP.

      • Where, oh highly educated and much degreed swammy, did Obama’s plan create Health CARE?

        ObamaPelosiCareTax prohibits doctor-owned hospitals from being built or expanded.  That was a raw political payoff to the American Hospital Association (AHA) for backing the passage of the bill.
        That is destroying opportunities for health care.  And, it’s just one example.
        This abomination of a law does not do what it promises to do.  It merely phucs up everything with new taxes, new inane restrictions, new destruction of value.
        I’m not surprised the disingenuous fraud loves it.
         

    • “And, of course, no one has yet explained how all of this is going to ensure people have better access to a doctor.  Why?  Because, quite simply, having insurance doesn’t guarantee care.”
       
      Reading for comprehension must not be a necessary characteristic of advanced political science degree holders.

    • I’ll suggest an improvement…
      Scrap the entirety of ObamaCare AND scrap the entirety of the Income Tax Code.  (See the period?)
      Replace the tax code with a simple user tax on new goods, not to include food and medicine, that ONLY raises the revenue needed for Federal functions provided for in the Constitution EXPLICITLY.  (NO redistribution at all.)
      Sell all Federal lands not used for military bases and the like to help smooth the transition for the millions of serfs now on the Federal teet.
      DEREGULATE much of the practice of medicine, replacing licensure with certification.
      DEREGULATE much of insurance, and allow for interstate sales on uniform terms.

      • “Sell all Federal lands not used for military bases and the like to help smooth the transition for the millions of serfs now on the Federal teet.”
        40 acres and a mule, man.

        • Than you’d have a bunch of starved people and mal-treated mules…with a few shining successes.  As usual.

          • Shining Successes?   We need to tax them, they obviously had some unfair advantage over the others and they need to pay their fair share.

    • Maybe a concrete example will help – I doubt it, but what the hell.
       
      Arturo Martinez of Brownsville Texas (late of Monterrey Mexico) has no health insurance, a wife, and 4 children.  When the children get sick, or Arturo gets injured he goes to the local emergency room at the local hospital in Brownsville.  There he signs a form that says he understands he’s responsible for his medical treatment, but everyone knows that Arturo can’t pay that.  However, they provide the treatment for the ‘emergency’.   IF Arturo filed income taxes, which he does not, he’d be considered below the poverty line, so he wouldn’t have to pay the “no-health-insurance tax” tax to the IRS, but let’s assume for the momentary amusement of the crowd that Arturo pays a ‘no-health-insurance tax’ of $1700.00 to compensate, uh, the government? for his care.
       
      Explain to us how Arturo’s tax penalty payment money is going to lower YOUR health care costs in Maine Scott.
       
      Explain to us how Arturo’s tax penalty payment reimburses the hospital in Brownsville Texas for the costs of treating Arturo.
       
      Explain to us how Arturo’s tax penalty payment lowers the cost of health insurance to the general health insured population of Texas.
       
      And for 10 bonus points, explain how Arturo’s tax penalty payment is really a Universal Health Care system.

    • “and there is no way anyone can defend what we had.”
       
      BS. I can defend it as the lesser of two evils. In the real world the rest of us live in choices must be made, and sometimes none of the choices is good. What we had was better than what we are going to get.
       
      You keep blathering on about how superior health care is in other countries. How about some evidence? since you are a soi-disant expert on Germany and Europe, how about some actual information on their system(s)? Educate us dimbulbs. Put up or shut up.

    • “it’s proof that markets are not in and of themselves just.”
       
      “just”? Who ever said markets are ‘just’? Markets are amoral. Only someone who doesn’t understand markets, or economics, would even consider morality to be a part of economics. Having actually taken economics courses and read real economics textbooks I can assure you morality is not in the table of contents.

    • Make improvements then.

      Go pound sand.  I should not need to beg for what is rightfully mine.  Those like you who seek to deprive me of it should simply stop.  And, if you refuse to stop aggressively attacking the rights of others, don’t be surprised when someone decides you’ve crossed the line and decides to act in self defense, holding you accountable for your transgressions.

      As for adopting the ways of the State has provided for remedying the evil, I know not of such ways. They take too much time, and a man’s life will be gone. I have other affairs to attend to. I came into this world, not chiefly to make this a good place to live in, but to live in it, be it good or bad. A man has not everything to do, but something; and because he cannot do everything, it is not necessary that he should be petitioning the Governor or the Legislature any more than it is theirs to petition me; and if they should not hear my petition, what should I do then? But in this case the State has provided no way: its very Constitution is the evil. This may seem to be harsh and stubborn and unconcilliatory; but it is to treat with the utmost kindness and consideration the only spirit that can appreciate or deserves it….
      …Moreover, any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one already.
      — Henry David Thoreau, “Resistance to Civil Government

       

    • KACHING!!!!!!!  Now you have done your duty for your Prog Masters – Go get your 30 pieces of silver, like the good little troll you are!

    • Actually, The WHO has compared our system to every other nation – and found that the US had the best results, even for the poor. It was clearly shown in a report that Erb falsely claimed to have read in 2009. He probably still hasn’t gotten around to reading it.

      • It isn’t relevant what he said 7 years ago (*), unless of course he made a statement which can be portrayed as wise prescience.  Anything else is “old bits” and you’re just playing “gotcha games” and taking this stuff too seriously.
        (*) Most people think that 2009 was 3 years ago, but Scott gets to add an arbitrary number of years to exaggerate for emphasis.
        </sarc>

  • One must remember that Western European socialistic economies lasted as long as they have partly because the United States provided a great portion of their defense.  It was a 60 year run, not quite as long as even the Soviet Union, but now the system seems to be unraveling.  Socialism simply does not help people, whether one looks at the USSR, Cuba, N. Korea, Venezuela – or Western Europe.  It is not a cultural or ethnic matter; socialism simply suppresses human innovation and creativity.

  • Oh, I really shouldn’t take the time, as liberals are denser than lead, but I just can’t resist.
    “Make improvements then.”
    OK. Get rid of Obamacare, and we can talk.
    “Every other advanced industrialized state has universal health care.”
    Ah, the old “All the really COOL countries have it!” argument, i.e. peer pressure.  Not a valid argument. Period.
    “They spend much less than we do, have superior outcomes,”
    According to their own interpretations – which have been demonstrated to be biased over and over again.
    “cover everyone (we leave tens of millions in a health care ghetto where many refuse to get care out of fear of the cost and bankruptcy),”
    And why is the cost so high?  Hint for the slow: it’s not the markets than allow idiot lawsuits, prohibit out-of-state insurance purchases, or mandate that insurance cover every possible ailment or therapy, whether you need it or not.
    “and avoid medical cost bankruptcy (over half of our bankruptcies come from that).”
    Well, if we’d work to lower the cost of care, and allow people to buy catastrophic care insurance…oh, wait – you CAN’T get that type under Obamacare. From the party of choice!
    “Conservatives support health care systems in other countries, as do majorities across the world.”
    Incoherence.  Re-submit, please.
    “They look down their noses” Who cares? “at our broken, expensive, unjust and dysfunctional system.” What a bizarre interpretation.  Obamacare exacerbates all of these, so what is your point?
    “Health care is alongside education and police protection as basics that should be provided citizens of a wealthy country.”
    Assertion, please provide proof.
    “It’s a national shame that our system is so ineffective and focused on wealth – it’s proof that markets are not in and of themselves just.”
    Nobody has ever claimed that markets are “just” – they’re simply MORE just than coercion.
    The current plan has problems, I agree — but Republicans should stop trying to defend the indefensible — a system created by the market — and instead work with Democrats to figure out where problems are and fix them.”
    Too late – we have Obamacare, which won’t fix anything.
    “Seriously – compare our system with those that exist elsewhere, systems with no long waits, total care, lower costs and people having their own personal physician,”
    Lay off the acid – it doesn’t help your argument.  No long waits? Laughable.  Total care?  Maybe, unless you have a serious illness, then you have to prove your value to the state.  Lower costs?  Good luck selling that one.  People having their own personal physician?  Sure, if you can afford one – over and above your health care taxes.
    “and there is no way anyone can defend what we had.”
    Typical liberal pseudothought.  Either Obamacare or the evil status quo.  There’re no other possibilities.  Why do liberals always have such a black-and-white, either-or view of things?

  • I have said it before but at my age repetition is good. All I want is a policy that pays everything over a high deductible. I will pay drugs, doctor visits, physical, everything up to, for example, $10000/yr. My policy will pay everything over that.

    • That’s basically what I have now: HSA combined with catastrophic care that carries $6000 deductible. The HSA helps put my plan on an equivalent footing tax-wise with employer-provided care, because those normal healthcare expenses under the deductible are paid from tax-free dollars.

      For that to work, though, we need an actual free market in healthcare. When I say “free market”, I mean one in which I can walk into a provider, ask “how much does this cost?” and get an answer. Today, I can’t get one. I can only get a theoretical amount that no one really pays, which is then “repriced” by the insurance companies. When the consumer can’t find out the actual price of a good or service, that’s not a real market.