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You are just not relying on government enough

Or perhaps, you’re just not thankful enough for the nanny’s help and nanny feels a little put off.  Why?  You just don’t rank mommy government high enough (especially at election time) in your hierarchy of what helped you most through these difficult economic times:

“Given that only 15 percent of you turn to government assistance in tough times, we want to make sure you know about benefits that could help you,” announced today. The ”government made easy’ website has created a “help for difficult financial times” page for people to learn more about the programs.

The government got that statistic from a poll asking Americans what helps them the most during tough times. Here are the results:

  • Savings 44%
  • Family 21%
  • Credit cards/loans 20%
  • Government assistance 15%
Oh my, you mean people are being too “self-reliant”?  Not enough reliance on government?  Why, if this sort of trend continues the people may not vote to expand government like certain parties would prefer.
So we get the “pitch”:
“Government assistance comes in different forms—from unemployment checks and food assistance to credit counseling and medical treatment,” reminded readers.
Good to know, no?  Also good to know that self-reliance isn’t yet dead.  But the government sounds desperate that you don’t realize how important they are to you:

This leg of the financial assistance push has ended. “Although our campaign to highlight Help for Difficult Financial Times has ended, we know that your struggles may continue,” said today. “We will keep updating the tools and information we provide to help you get back on your feet.”

“Because without us, well, you can’t even find your feet” … or something.


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21 Responses to You are just not relying on government enough

  • (Snark meter pegging now)
    85% of people not relying on the government first?  or even second?  what the hell is wrong with you people!  the next thing you know, you’ll be trying to convince yourselves that you’re building your own businesses without the help of your village, or some such foolishness as that.
    Get with the government program, get on the dole, get out and demand your FAIR share of the wealth from those around you.  Only in this way can you be free.  Your government can help, vote for more government, vote for free handouts and vote for people who will offer you those things.  Don’t be deceived by people trying to tell you Americans are exceptional, or individualists.  Those pioneers weren’t alone when they built this great land, they had lots of help!
    Vote for the FREE STUFF party, they’re your best hope for tomorrow and the best hope for our country.  Change your ways America!  And Hope for Free Government Stuff, it doesn’t cost you, and the RICH must pay!

  • Here’s what I find ironic. Although people on asssitance rose to record levels under Obama, the programs were already in place before Obama, and the only difference was the economic meltdown that made SO many more people eligible to take advantage of those programs.

    During the mild recession of 2002, stimulus checks were sent to every family, with a nice note from GWB, unemployment was extenced, more people went on foodstamps.

    And the GOP supported all of the above.

    If you want to call everything that is government “collectivist”, then you have to call Paul Ryan collectivist, because you see, he was for stimulus before he was against, and supported the GWB stimulus checks, and he wrote letters asking for stimulus dollars to CREATE JOBS.

    I don’t blame you for not believing Democrats, but I find it ridiculous that you believe Republicans are suddenly “real” conservatives.

    Y’all want to cut and kill Medicare, but the GOP is out there saying that they are going to reverse cuts in Medicare. They are playing the part of liberals against the conservative Medicare cutters.

    I get it that Ryan’s original opposition to the Medicare was cuts was what they meant to pay for, which is why his budget repealed Obamacare but kept the cuts in place.

    But as part of team Romney, he is saying that the cuts are now wrong and that money must be put back into Medicare.

    It’s not now, nor has it ever been, about WHETHER government is going to take your money and give it to someone else, it has ALWAYS been about who they are going to take it from and who they are going to give it to.

    • “I don’t blame you for not believing Democrats, but I find it ridiculous that you believe Republicans are suddenly “real” conservatives.”
      Once again, reminding, not a Republican web site Cap.
      Lesser. Of. Two. Evils.    Pretty simple.
      Want help screaming about the rules changes the Gop-Gentry are trying to enact at the convention that gives them the authority to just change the rules any way they like, any time they want?

      • “Lesser. Of. Two. Evils.    Pretty simple.”

        Rhetorically, yes, historically, absolutely, positively, incontrovertibly, NO.

        Look at every important metric of statistical measures of government and the economy, and then look back over any and every time period,

        If you do this, you will find that for all their rhetoric, Republicans have consistely done the opposite of what they have promised, except for tax cuts at the top, that is the only GOP sacred cow.

        Which reminds me of something from another thread. Tax cuts for the top are based on supply side economic theory. I used to agree with the theory, but it hasn’t worked. I then determined that it was invalid theory. I have come full circle and now believe that it could well be a valid theory, but only if applied to a free market, which we don’t have, so the result is that we are basically rewarding political benefactors for the sake payback (crony capitalism) with no likelihood of the theory bearing fryit because it is being applied to a captured, not free, market.

        • Look Cap, let’s cut to the chase – Obama is a socialist, dyed in the wool.  He probably got through college by lying about where he was from.  He probably got financial assistance because of those lies.  He’s not not showing us his transcripts because of that, it’s not his grades, but he probably wasn’t a great student.  He probably got ‘selected’ by professors or people in positions of academic power because he was a good little colored boy who needed promoting based on his associations, or his parents associations (the same way certain good little White boys, like GW Bush, got where they got, we both know it happens, I don’t kid myself in thinking it doesn’t nor do I pretend it can’t happen to a nice little colored boy the same way it happens to a nice little white boy).
          He doesn’t have a clue about what he’s doing – he’s not a leader, he’s not a good economic thinker, he’s arrogant, he’s a narcissist, and there’s a lot of other things I say about him, that I only would have half believed when someone suggested them, but after 3 years of watching him, have been confirmed for me.
          Now if you want to get all up tight about tax the rich, and that somehow, despite the evidence of massive crony capitalism by this administration, that Romney will be WORSE and that’s going to be your make or break, vote for Obama.   I thought you were a bigger thinker than that, but it seems to be your magical touchstone for ignoring all the OTHER things Obama has done (or not done) with the 3 years they gave him to at least start patching shit up.
          There are bigger fish to fry here, and you may think taxing the rich will solve problems, I can tell you, they won’t.   I’m not going to go round and round with you on this, there’s no point.   I would vote for me before I’d vote for Obama.  The one thing I can say about the man is I used to think not just anyone could be President, I still don’t think just anyone can, but he’s convinced me that at least I could do a better job of it, and I wouldn’t have thought that prior to 2012.
          Pray that some catastrophic thing, like 9-11-2001 doesn’t happen while he’s in office.  Hillary didn’t think could handle a 3:00 AM phone call, she’s right, because blaming someone else when he screws the pooch, or can’t take action for 5 days on something that demands action in 5 minutes, isn’t going to be a satisfactory answer to that 3:00 AM call.   But it’s the chief weapon the man has in his arsenal of ‘personal responsibility’.  He is not the guy you want in charge, and neither is his idiot side-kick Sheriff Joe.

        • As Billy Hollis pointed out in his post over the weekend – when you think your enemies really ARE evil incarnate, there is no compromise, no reason to compromise.

          Is that what you think of Republicans Cap?

    • Yeah, we just know, Romney will automatically be worse…..

  • As usual…say with the question of debt…our troll ignores the essential factor of ENORMITY.
    But that is the way of the Collective.
    All people lie, we are assured.  So it isn’t right to label Bill Clinton a liar.
    It is just a means to muddle the issues.  And a transparent deception.

    • You can’t appeal to relativistic bullshit if things are clear cut now can you.   All this good and bad stuff, just foggy thinking, relative moral judgements.  Besides all our rights come from government so why ever would we not want MORE government?  Then we’d get MORE rights, see how it works?

  • “There are bigger fish to fry here”

    That is pretty much MY point. I am not wasting a second of my time trying to get people to vote for Obama, if I were, it certainly would not be in this forum.

    My point is that the GOP is NOT the lesser of two evils, it’s just another flavor of the same exact level of evil.

    Hell, Maybe I’m turning into Billy Beck, if you particpate in the election, you are responsible for the evil that will continue.

    It used to be that politicians lied, and people believed them, or not. Now party fandom has come so far, the fans are making up the lies, and the politicians are picking the best ones to repeat.

    I don’t have the ideological certitiude that you folks have, I acknowledge that I could be wrong on anything, or everything. But my policy preferences are irrelevant, as are yours, snce we don’t have a system that can allow any real changes.

    I’ll play the game, argue the arguments, call out what I see as factual or logical errors, but there is really only ONE single issue, the co-opting of government in America, largley removing citizens from the equation.

    We were established as a nation of the people, by the people, and for the people.

    We are not so much as a shadow of that anymore and though I entertain myself with political arguments, this is really all anyone should ever talk about until it’s fixed. Everything, and I mean every single political discussion, from taxes to abortion, from debt to gay marriage, is just whistling past the graveyard.

    • And of the two, think carefully now, WHICH is less likely to continue the bullshit that’s been going on for the last 3 years?  Where’s YOUR party’s equivalent of the TEA Party?  Destroy America Street?
      don’t give me this “they all do it” crap, It’s the first damn thing a liberal trots out when they’re players is caught with their hands in the cookie jar and I am so very weary of hearing it.  I repeat, Republicans, hell by 5:00, Democrats, Hell by Noon via the express.  I’m taking the slow train on the premise we might stop it given the 5 hour difference in the time table.  If you want to stand up there in the coal car passing shovel fulls of coal to the fireman so he can stoke faster because YOU think that will slow it down, you do that.
      You’ve made it clear you’re going to ignore the sketchy concealed background of the man in the Oval Office, and pretend it doesn’t matter and you’re going to vote for him.  We’re pretty much done other than the entertainment of a half decent argument, but you might as well not bother on this subject, he’s not going to undo for me in 3 months what he’s been so skillfully building over the last 3 years and nothing you say is going to change that.  The man is a liar’s liar, he’s a liar even by politician standards, and that’s not a word I use lightly.  I prefer to think people don’t have all the facts, rather than they are outright lying about a subject.  Happens here all the time.  Try and think of the times I have used that term about anyone commenting here.  They will be difficult to find.
      This President is a self serving liar, and I know it.  I prefer to gamble on Romney because he hasn’t pissed on my back and told me it’s raining yet.

  • “sketchy concealed background”
    That’s tinfoil hat stuff and it makes me wonder if the political opinion informs the personal lunacy, or vice versa.
    Obama is no less American than I am, and his ideas are firmly mainstream, and unfortunately his approach to power is as parochial as his predecessors.
    You may disagree with him, but to call a guy who is firmly in the American tradition of FDR (who I understand you despise) and many, many others is somehow sketchy and foreign (that is the implication I read, apologies if I am wrong) smacks of authoritarian fear.
    Obama is no different than Clinton, but the GOP is different.
    I don’t expect to actually change minds here, just give you something to think when your lesser evil gambit fails yet again.

    • It’s not a gambit, it’s how I’m voting, and why I’m voting that way.   Half of my grandparents were foreign, right off the boats, foreigners don’t frighten me, foreigners built the country.   Sketchy people as President, yeah, I admit, I have a problem with that.   And Obama and Clinton aren’t in the same league.  Clinton’s dream for America and Obama’s dreams, if he has any beyond being in charge, are distinctly different.  Given the choice between the two, if I could, I’d put Clinton back into office faster than I can type this.
      You’re going to vote, contrary to your protestations about big government and cronyism, for the epitome of big government cronyism right out of the heart of the corrupt Chicago machine while being very concerned that the wealth of others is going to elude the grasp of big spending government.

    • “except for tax cuts at the top, that is the only GOP sacred cow.”
      Just to stress the point – this is what you keep coming back to, it obviously matters to you.  Intellectually, you’ve demonstrated to yourself and others by handling the numbers that if we raise their taxes, it won’t solve the deficit problem, that it won’t fix the big government problem.   Yet it’s your big Romney/GOP closet monster.

  • Given that only 15 percent of you turn to government assistance in tough times…

    What an astounding comment.  On a personal level, it is beyond repugnant, for I have never looked to any form of government to assist me in hard times.  On the political level, it is a two-fold klaxon; one, that only government can solve your problems, and two, that apparatchiks, knowing that their very existence is dependent upon fooling the public about their worthiness, have become so brazen to make this statement in print.
    This is the most concise statement of the need to flush out the Bureaucrat class from Washington DC.

  • Obama is no less American than I am, and his ideas are firmly mainstream

    See, if you let them, these “moderate” trolls will always leap soulfully out of the closet.
    What must living be like for a guy who constantly lies?

    • I just find it odd that the smartest man in any room has spent so much effort (and cash) keeping evidence of his intellectual Pharos lighthouse class intellect under the proverbial giant bushel basket.
      We knew Bush was a moron, and Al Gore and John Kerry were super geniuses (well, not really, but, you know, it made for good press).
      Yet, by some Columbia alum accounts no one can remember Obama even being at Columbia, let alone know what his grades looked like.  Why is that?  We are not to ask it seems.  This time around, it does not matter, and I may be racist, and a tin-foil hat wearing loon to wonder about it.   So, important in 2000 and 2004, and though Bush was STILL a moron, even though he wasn’t even running in 2008, not just not important in 2008, NOT TO BE QUESTIONED, EVER.  Tin foil hat wearing racist foreigner fearing moron.
      (I should note, we DO need to see Mitt Romney’s taxes for the last 200 years, we have reason to believe he committed a felony, and he must prove he didn’t.  Is it a felony to receive loan and grant money masquerading as a foreign student?)

      • Yet, by some Columbia alum accounts no one can remember Obama even being at Columbia…

        One from a guy in the self-same college, at the same time, with the same major, who was Mr. Sociable.  No Berry.  Nada.  Zero.  Non.  Yox.  Zip.