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Romeney’s “secret video”: Much ado about nothing

So, heaven forbid, there’s a “secret video” out of Romney (provided, reportedly, by James Earl Carter IV, who, ironically, is out of work) saying things that show what he really feels about Americans, (insert gasp here) etc., etc., – que the liberal outrage of the week and the latest in the left’s distract and disrupt campaign.

As to the remarks videoed by someone at this event, here’s how Mother Jones characterized what it saw as the big 3 quotes (that, one assumes, hurts Romney).

On the 47 percent of Americans “who will vote for the president no matter what.”

On the dividends of his anticipated November 6 victory: “we’ll see—without actually doing anything—we’ll actually get a boost in the economy.”

On the “almost unthinkable prospects” for Mideast peace: “I look at the Palestinians not wanting to see peace anyway…and I say there’s just no way.”

Oh my. Romney thinks that are “47% ” of Americans who will vote for Obama, “no matter what”.

Well here’s a shocker — so do I. Are they the same 47% who pay not income taxes (and save your breath, all those who beam in with payroll and sales taxes – “income” is before “taxes” because we’re talking about a specific tax, thankyouverymuch). No. But that’s sort of irrelevant. I do indeed believe that around 47% will indeed vote for Obama “no matter what”. Just as I believe there is about 45% who will vote for Romney, “no matter what”. Shock! The political term “yellow dog” is applied to both sides, folks, for a very good reason. They exist – in large quantities.

Of course the war is for the final 8% isn’t it? It always is. Why anyone is outraged by this number and his point is beyond me … or anyone who has any freaking idea of how politics have worked in this country for ages. It’s always been about wooing the final 8-10%. Obama’s problem is, since being elected, he’s rarely if ever been beyond 49%.

As to the damage? Well I think James Taranto sums that up pretty darn well:

Romney’s comment has been compared with Obama’s infamous 2008 remark, also at a private meeting with donors, about Pennsylvania voters who get bitter and cling to guns and religion. To our mind the difference is that those people, traditionally Democratic voters, could easily tell that Obama was referring to them. Most of the 47% will not see themselves in Romney’s description–and those who do, would probably not have considered voting for him anyway.

Bingo. Not that the Democratic dog isn’t going to worry this bone as much as it can.

Quote two about the economy. Context is always nice:

Audience member: When the [unintelligible] in September, the markets are going to be looking—marginal tax rates going up, overheads going, fine, but sequestration under the debt ceiling deal—what do they call it?

Romney: Taxageddon?

Audience member: Yeah, they call it that. The Obamacare, taxes on dividends and capital gains—I mean, the markets are going to be speaking very wildly in October on all of those issues.

Romney: They’ll probably be looking at what the polls are saying. If it looks like I’m going to win, the markets will be happy. If it looks like the president’s going to win, the markets should not be terribly happy. It depends, of course, which markets you’re talking about, which types of commodities and so forth, but my own view is, if we win on November 6th there will be a great deal of optimism about the future of this country. We’ll see capital come back, and we’ll see—without actually doing anything—we’ll actually get a boost in the economy. If the president gets reelected, I don’t know what will happen. I can never predict what the markets will do. Sometimes it does the exact opposite of what I would have expected. But my own view is that if we get the—the “Taxageddon,” as they call it, January 1st, with this president, and with a Congress that can’t work together, it really is frightening, really frightening in my view.

Again, an “oh, my … wait, what?”  You mean he wasn’t talking about the economy improving and him being able to take credit “without actually doing something” as implied by the out of context quote?

Context – what a concept.  He’s talking about how the markets will react to his election, that’s all.  And, as in the previous quote – he’s right.

Finally, the Palestinian question.  He’s three for three – they don’t want peace, they want the destruction of Israel and always have.  And when offered a 95% deal, their leader (another Nobel Peace Prize winner) Yassir Arafat, turned it down.  These are the people who parade their children around in fake suicide vests and launch rockets, weekly, into Israel.

As to what he said in full:

And I look at the Palestinians not wanting to see peace anyway, for political purposes, committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel, and these thorny issues, and I say there’s just no way. And so what you do is you say you move things along the best way you can. You hope for some degree of stability, but you recognize that it’s going to remain an unsolved problem. I mean, we look at that in China and Taiwan. All right, we have a potentially volatile situation, but we sort of live with it. And we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately, somehow, something will happen and resolve. We don’t go to war to try and resolve it.

On the other hand, I got a call from a former secretary of state—and I won’t mention which one it was—but this individual said to me, “You know, I think there’s a prospect for a settlement between the Palestinians and the Israelis after the Palestinian elections.” I said, “Really?” And his answer was, “Yes, I think there’s some prospect.” And I didn’t delve into it but you know, I always keep open the idea of, I have to tell ya, the idea of pushing on the Israelis?—to give something up, to get the Palestinians to act, is the worst idea in the world. We have done that time and time and time again. It does not work. So, the only answer is show your strength. Again, American strength, American resolve, as the Palestinians someday reach the point where they want peace more than we’re trying to push peace on them—and then it’s worth having the discussion. Until then, it’s just wishful thinking.

Can’t disagree.   Won’t disagree.  It’s essentially true.  When, and only when, the Palestinians get serious about real peace can such a process go forward.  They’re still not there.  In fact, they’re not even close.

Anyway, there you go.  The outrage is just nonsense as usual, but certainly helpful in the disrupt and distract campagin.  Not reported on?  This part of the conversation:

Audience member: The debates are gonna be coming, and I hope at the right moment you can turn to President Obama, look at the American people, and say, “If you vote to reelect President Obama, you’re voting to bankrupt the United States.” I hope you keep that in your quiver because that’s what gonna happen. And I think it’s going to be very effective. Just wanted to give you that.

Romney: Yeah, it’s interesting…the former head of Goldman Sachs, John Whitehead, was also the former head of the New York Federal Reserve. And I met with him, and he said as soon as the Fed stops buying all the debt that we’re issuing—which they’ve been doing, the Fed’s buying like three-quarters of the debt that America issues. He said, once that’s over, he said we’re going to have a failed Treasury auction, interest rates are going to have to go up. We’re living in this borrowed fantasy world, where the government keeps on borrowing money. You know, we borrow this extra trillion a year, we wonder who’s loaning us the trillion? The Chinese aren’t loaning us anymore. The Russians aren’t loaning it to us anymore. So who’s giving us the trillion? And the answer is we’re just making it up. The Federal Reserve is just taking it and saying, “Here, we’re giving it.’ It’s just made up money, and this does not augur well for our economic future.

You know, some of these things are complex enough it’s not easy for people to understand, but your point of saying, bankruptcy usually concentrates the mind. Yeah, George.

Audience member, “George”: Governor, to your point on complexity. How is—you’ve traveled around America and talked to people in larger groups and perhaps people with different backgrounds, and people in this room: To what extent do people really understand that we’re hurtling toward a cliff, and to what extent do people understand the severity of the fiscal situation we’re in. Do people get it?

Romney: They don’t. By and large people don’t get it. People in our party, and part of—it’s our fault because we’ve been talking about deficits and debt for about 25 or 30 years as a party, and so they’ve heard us say it and say it and say it. The fact that Greece is going what it’s going through, and they read about France and Italy and Spain, has finally made this issue topical for the American people. And so when you do polls, and you ask people what is the biggest issue in the 2012 election, No. 1 is the economy and jobs by a wide margin. But No. 2 is the deficit. But debt, that doesn’t calculate for folks, but the deficit does. They recognize you can’t go on forever like this. Although the people who recognize that tend to be Republicans, and the people who don’t recognize that tend to be Democrats. And what we have to get is that 5 or 10 percent in the middle who sometimes vote Republican, sometimes vote Democrat, and have them understand how important this is. It’s a challenge. I did the calculation for folks today, and USA Today publishes this every year. It’s a front-page story: the headline once a year, it somehow escapes people’s attention, and that is, if you take the total national debt and the unfunded liabilities of Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid, the amount of debt plus unfunded liabilities per household in America is $520,000. Per household.

Audience member: It’s like 12 times their income, right?

Romney: At least. 10, 12 times their income. Even though we’re not going to be writing the check for that amount per household, they’re going to be paying the interest on that. You’ll be paying the interest on that. [Audience laughs.] Because we—my generation will be long gone, and you’ll be paying the interest. And so you’ll be paying taxes, not only for the things you want in your generation, but for all the things we spent money on, which is just—it’s extraordinary to think the tax rates, someone calculated what would happen. If we don’t change Medicare or Social Security, the tax rate—you know what the payroll tax is now, it’s 15.3 percent—if we don’t change those programs, that tax rate will have to ultimately rise to 44 percent. The payroll tax. Then there’s the income tax on top, which the president wants to take to 40 percent. Then there’s state tax in most states. And sales tax. So you end up having to take 100 percent of people’s income. And yet the president, three and a half years in, won’t talk about reforming Social Security or Medicare. And when the Republicans do, it’s “Oh, you’re throwing granny off the cliff.” It’s like you’re killing the kids. The biggest surprise that I have is that young people will vote for Democrats. They look at this and say, “Holy cow! The only guys who are worried about the future of our country and our future are Republicans.” But the Democrats, they talk about social issues, draw in the young people, and they vote on that issue. It’s like, I mean, there won’t be any houses like this if we stay on the road we’re on.

Now that is important stuff.  That is what this elections should be about.

Not this other crap that MJ and the left chose to quote out of context.  But then, what choice do they have but to resort to that given their candidate of choice’s record.

By the way, there’s now a controversy brewing about the possibility that the secret video might have been edited.  Or, perhaps the gap is more like the Nixon tapes.  Regardless, charges are flying back and forth.  David Corn at MJ says they’re complete.  But a bunch aren’t buying that.  By the way, MJ blasted James O’Keefe for “edited” ACORN tapes if you’ll remember.

So, it’s politics in the media as usual.  Wonderful stuff, no?

Aren’t we being well served?


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38 Responses to Romeney’s “secret video”: Much ado about nothing

  • The world burns and we get this and our leader partying with Jay -Z

  • Far from being the ZOMG! moment that the idiots in the moonbattery depicted, this is an exposition of very clearly understood reality.
    What I got from this…
    1.  Romney is a realist on the subject of who will vote their self-interests
    2.  Romney understands that NO “solution” exists when the Palestinians continue to embrace genocide porn WRT Israel, as opposed to the magical thinking of the Obami
    3.  Romney is a fiscal realist, as opposed to a magic thinker like the Obami
    Romney has showed he understands Islamism, versus the magic thinking of the Obami.
    Polling showed the American people agreed.
    AND Romney did NOT back away.  He went on the offensive, noting the Obama “redistribution” clip.
    And-in-all, a net positive.

    • I think I am more pro-Romney now after reading this. This guy knows his stuff.
      Two days ago on FB I had to explain to a smart guy that we were buying all of the T-bills ourselves. (The Fed buying them.) He asked a fair question of just how much we were doing that, and I googled and got 60-70%…Mitt is at 75%, very close, and maybe he knows better than the sources I found.

      • he said as soon as the Fed stops buying all the debt that we’re issuing—which they’ve been doing, the Fed’s buying like three-quarters of the debt that America issues

        Frankly, except for the loons over at (who you never know for sure where they are), there has been virtually nothing in the press about this, except by the standard market “doomsayers.”
        I began to believe it when I read that China had reduced it T-bill holdings, and nothing seemed to happen.  The newly issued T-bills have to be going somewhere, but who wants to buy even a 6 month note with a yield near 0% ?
        The Progressives are still making the argument that “America isn’t bankrupt as long as she can sell T-bills.” Well, I think we can now declare that “America is an eyelash away from bankruptcy.

  • You would think saying a government who’s stated goal is the destruction of Israel is intent on uh, the destruction of Israel it wouldn’t come as a big surprise.
    But then again, the jackwagons who are all excited bout this seem to think when Ahmadenijad says “Israel should be wiped out”, he means that Iranians will come in with buckets, water, soap and dishcloths and clean the place up.
    Hamas runs the Palestinian Authority have since 2006 when the wise peoples that make up the mythical nation of “Palestine” elected them to run the place – here’s the preamble from the  “covenant” of Hamas.
    “The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS, is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad ”

    Yo, Momma Jones – buy, beg, borrow, or if necessary steal,  a clue.

  • “We’ll see capital come back, and we’ll see—without actually doing anything—we’ll actually get a boost in the economy.
    I was just listening to an old Freakonomics podcast about the power of the president over markets and the economy and they had a political scientist talking about Bush/Kerry. The exit polls mistakenly said Kerry won, and for 4 hours the markets were pricing in President Kerry by falling a bit. Then it came out Bush won, and they came back.
    So Mitt is right on the ball that just his winning could have some positive effect, and probably larger than Bush/Kerry. Personally, I hope he already has some Big Bangs ready.

    • The DAY after the election…if Obama is turned out…HOPE will return.  And with it, CAPITAL.
      Sure as carts to horses.

  • Mark McKinnon, Republican strategist and Bush campaign aide, wrote the following today:

    “I loved Michelle Obama’s line in her speech: ‘A presidency reveals who you are.’ So do campaigns. And mark me down as one Republican not happy with what is being revealed about Mitt Romney.

    • Is he upset because he doesn’t have a job with Romney?
      And I think we can all agree that 47% was like 57 states. A number that is close enough to be considered accurate in normal speech.
      People get way too hung up on that exact percentage.

      • Is he upset because he doesn’t have a job with Romney?
        This is not a limited problem for Romney.  Bill Crystal was on Laura Ingraham’s show last Thursday or Friday and She was talking about Obama’s handling of the situation and talks about Romney’s comments.  Crystal threw Romney under the bus and the crux was that Romney hasn’t added enough foreign policy  ‘experience’ to his staff.  And by ‘experience’ he meant Establishment Republicans.
        He’s added some, but not enough to make them happy.  Romney’s been keeping people he trusts in charge.  But, they want in so they can call the shots.  Although I don’t think he’ll go rogue, if anyone can its Romney.  Being president is the end of your political career with the exception of your run as an incumbent which is automatic.  So how do you control him?  I can probably own Obama’s Presidency for something south of $10 million.  Romney would laugh in your face.  The kind of bribe money that you would need for Romney, you can’t hide.  So I don’t know how you control Romney once he has the job.  Then there’s the heartburn over him being a Mormon and the fact the ‘Republicans’ are packed with RINOS.
        And if I’ve found any hard and fast political principle, the Left end of any organization is inherently the most nepotistic and eventually garners undue control over that organization.  It how organizations like AARP become shills for healthcare bill that hurts the elderly.  Its how women’s groups stay silent wrt Bill Clinton and the Muslim world.  It applies to Republicans too.  My state’s republican party at best can muster a pro-business democrat as our Governor.  Other than having a little more sympathy for business, they are otherwise democrats and must laugh their asses off about it in private.
        Add to this, I’ve noticed around the country that the Establishment Republicans are taking the party back via their bureaucracy and apparatchiks.   I’ve noticed what can only be described as moves by campaign staff that are suppose to be ‘mistakes’ or ‘bad judgement’ that look like sabotage.  One example is a local politician here who had the required signatures to get on the ballot for the primary, but one staffer duplicated enough signatures to disqualify him.  Basically if there’s a duplicate signature, both signatures are removed.  So here he had enough sig’s but a staffer essentially negated just enough of those signatures to cause him to not be on the primary ballot.  It was never discussed like that because the local media is in the tank for the Democrats.  And then the politician quit in a huff which caused some messed up things with the voting process.  But I suspected he knew he was sabotaged and frustrated by the local media who took the opportunity to vilify him for fraud for duplicate signatures that he didn’t need in the first place that nobody questioned.
        In the other thread about polling, Dale asserted that they were Republican pollsters in there too.  I’m not sure that means what Dale thinks it means.  At least for Romney.

      • After forty gaffes the past couple years (including PutinGate, You didn’t build that, The private sector is doing fine, etc), a foreign policy in tatters and the economy in the tank, Der ObamaFuhrer still has 47%, so tell me where Romney is wrong?

  • Also, his description of the Chinese factory is dead-on for the time period he was there. And insightful.
    I doubt Obama has any experience at all in this area. He’s just a lawyer and campaigner.
    Again – this stuff is making me like Mitt even more.

  •  “the Fed’s buying like three-quarters of the debt that America issues”

    In other words, the Fed has already been inflating the economy. Now we have, in addition, QE3. Yes, we do live in interesting times. I am too old for this s****.

  • See, it isn’t “redistribution” if they own you first….
    Over. My. Dead. Body.

  • On the 47 percent of Americans “who will vote for the president no matter what.”
    That isn’t he quote that hurts Romney.  Its obfuscating that quote or ignoring that particular line that they are trying to hurt Romney.  You paid attention.  People don’t.
    The Obama army was out in force ‘translating’ Romney’s statement as applying “47% of Americans” or “the bottom 47%” or “everyone that doesn’t pay income taxes”.   Its about ingnoring that fact the statement was about Obama’s core supporters and an enumeration of who makes up those unreachable ones.
    They basically have taken Romney’s comments about who makes up Obama’s unreachable supporters and applied that to All America.
    My analogy is that ‘Romney said everyone in England speaks English and has bad teeth’ and the Democrats have run out to make sure its taken as ‘Romney said everyone who speaks English lives in England and has bad teeth’.
    Half-truths are the worst lies.  And the fact the average person doesn’t have the language comprehension skills of their own or attention span to see through their obvious distortion of Romney’s comments is pretty sad.  Edits aside.

    • Yes. Also, they are not distinguishing between campaigning for votes and actually doing the job.
      My FB lefties are all saying Obama is president of everybody, helping everybody…(LOL) or What if I ignored 47% of my customers.
      1) Anyone running for office has to try to win it first, and that means ignoring areas of strength and weakness. Thus, Obama isn’t visiting Texas or California much except to fund raise.
      2) Just because people don’t vote for you doesn’t mean your policies won’t help them. I imagine plenty of Democrats did well under Reagan.
      Plus, I think Romney’s 47% was close to a 57 states thing. He was just throwing out a number for the argument.
      Frankly, I also liked when Romney told the audience about his strategy. I think Romney is good at following through on strategies, and also good at taking lemons and making lemonade. He and Ryan blasted Mediscare out of the water. Gone. Anyone see any lefty pundits talking about that anymore? NOPE. I bet the Dems never saw that coming.

  • It now seems several minutes have been edited out of the Romney tape.

    Did they edit out stuff that would make romney look good? Are they saving the worst for October?

  • Well, don’t be surprised if big-ears foreign policy chickens come home to roost very soon.   Going to be hard to blame Romney then, and hard to cover it up when portions of the world are burning.

    • Going to be hard to blame Romney then,

      Like that will stop them, or the Mushroom Media won’t have excrement all over their noses and mouths?
      It’s not Derangement Syndrome, it’s just flat out derangement.

      • I figure it’s going to be akin to pretending on December 8th that the previous day was just another Sunday in Pearl Harbor, and Barack will be golfing, followed by a fund raiser.
        I see he’s decided to attend the daily status briefing.  Gee, he’s such a good President.
        And all this after 6 years of hearing endlessly about “Stupid” Boooooooshitler.

  • Romney should keep up these “gaffes” He is really solidifying support with people like me.

  • Compare and contrast this with Obama’s Putin video.
    Can you say “rational”? The left can’t!

  • The tide keeps coming in – how long will the sand castle hold?

    Those marks look like the bloody hand prints on the wall at the Benghazi consulate. Tasteless.

    • The implication of Drudge’s juxtaposition for today’s photos says you’re not the only one who noted that similarity.
      It does make one to wonder does it not?

  • “More than anything else, what makes this video damaging is that it confirms what most Americans already suspect about Romney: he holds at least half the country in contempt, including many of the people that normally vote Republican (I’ve heard figures as high as half the 47%).”

    • Get a clue…even a half clue.
      Where did you get “contempt” s^$&-for-brains?

    • If you go by what Romney actually says and not what the talking points memo said he said, its clear he’s talking about a core of immutable Obama voters he can never reach for their vote and then enumerates why they support Obama and his message won’t reach that subset of voting Americans. 

      If someone likes Obama because they get a net payout from the government doesn’t mean everyone that gets a net payout likes Obama.  I know that escapes you.

  • I guess I know mostly TP people.  THEY said : “Holy Shitsu!  it’s up to 47% already!”