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Damn global warming!

This … this … this just can’t be!

Antarctica has broken the record for the greatest sea ice extent ever measured at either pole. If current trends continue, the Earth will be completely covered with ice much faster than the climate models predicted.

It has to be nonsense, right?  Is it the Onion?  We all know ice is melting and sea levels are rising … the media tells us so.  And then there’s Al Gore, the voice of reason.  We all know this can’t be true.  Just ask us:

OK, so the floating Arctic ice cap appears to be shrinking. Catastrophe if it goes on, right? As white ice reflects heat into space, past a certain point more and more heat will not be reflected, more and more ice will melt. Past such a “tipping point”, the ice cap would never recover – it would vanish completely, taking with it the ice cover of Greenland which would cause huge rises in sea levels and Biblical flooding worldwide. Not so much, according to the latest research by German climate scientists.

Really?  You mean, the ice isn’t melting?  The world won’t flood?  It’s not getting warmer?

What’s that you say?  You have actual science to back that up?

Real world measurements are the best tools we have at our disposal to monitor what impacts, if any, our use of fossil fuels is having on earth’s climate. Measured temperature increase has stopped for over a decade despite large increases in carbon dioxide. Loss and gain of sea ice in the Arctic is directly tied to cycles of warming and cooling ocean temperatures. Antarctic sea ice is increasing. Antarctic temperature is not increasing. The number of hurricanes around the world is not increasing and the strength of hurricanes worldwide is decreasing.

Antarctica’s temperature is not increasing?  You’ll probably claim sea temperatures haven’t risen either:

Using data from the Climatic Research Unit of the UEA, it appears sea surface temperatures may explain Antarctic Sea Ice at record levels. SST in the southern hemisphere have a cooling trend of -0.068C per decade over the last 15 years.

Oh, my.  The sea has been cooling for all these years?  But what evidence do you have that there’s more ice?

Global average sea levels fell by 5mm last year, presenting an inconvenient fact in a climate change narrative that warns of severe long-term threats to coastal settlements. The 5mm decline was almost twice the rate of the 3mm-a-year average increase recorded over the past 20 years and three times the 130-year average rise rate of 1.7mm a year.

Wow … so how do we hide that decline?

Just askin’

~McQ
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26 Responses to Damn global warming!

  • How do you hide that decline? Easy, if the data goes the wrong way you flip it over. Just as Mikey Mann did with sediment measurements. Ask Erb, sample size and other technically stuff don’t matter when you know the result you want (to 95% even!)

  • How do they hide that decline? They’ll just ignore it and scare-monger over it. After all, they have a new “headline” of 5 million killed by global warming (never mind that they include things like second-hand smoke etc) – 5 MILLION!!!!  ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  So yeah, whatever you have here will be summarily ignored like anything else the gatekeepers find inconvenient for the narrative nowadays..

  • Roald Amundsen came back with photographs of Arctic Circle islands completely devoid of ice during some of his Arctic voyages.
    The same islands that were normally completely sheathed in ice back around the turn of the century (the last century).
    There are cycles.  Duh.

  • “Of course human caused global warming is real, that’s an accepted scientific fact (dismissive hand wave).   Only a handful of climate scientists doubt that, and even they admit the evidence is strong (knowing nod).  You’re peddling an ideological narrative that is so out of touch with reality that it’s fraying at the seems and starting to go down in flames (lol, smirk).   No more arguing with you guys, it’s time to just defeat you politically – you’re simply in a fantasy alternate reality (sad head shake).  It’s important to assure the next generation doesn’t fall into the trap that seems to have engulfed aging white males, especially those in the south. (smug look of arrogant certainty followed by appraising look to see if his hot cocoa and marshmallow is ready yet)”

    • Maybe we need to mount a guard around McQ.  Erp seemed to take a decidedly eliminationist turn the other day.
      It may not take much for him and some of his lil’ brainwashed skulls full of mush to spin off into “direct action”.
      When Romney wins in November, some of these folks are going to literally lose their minds.  Well, lose them more.

      • Thanks……Okay, now that my screen is more or less clean of iced tea spew (unsweet thank heaven)…..
         
        “Maybe we need to mount a guard around McQ.  Erp seemed to take a decidedly eliminationist turn the other day.
        It may not take much for him and some of his lil’ brainwashed skulls full of mush to spin off into “direct action”.
         
        You sir are a comic genius.  Do you realize?   McQ vs Erb – now THAT is funny!  The main threat being that McQ will succumb to some condition caused by excessive laughter I wager.  I suppose Erb could wave a travelogue of Russia threateningly at him.  Perhaps a printed post from his website about the good and necessary virtues of the Arab Spring.  Or maybe one of his discussions on metaphysics.
         
        Oh lord, that WAS funny Rags.  :D

      • When Romney wins in November, some of these folks are going to literally lose their minds.  Well, lose them more.

        To paraphrase Janis Joplin, nothing left to lose.

  • Didn’t everybody get the memo?  It’s no longer global warming it’s climate change so anything that deviates from the statistical norm is obviously man made and bad.  This increase in ice will obviously cause polar bears to drown by getting trapped under the ice and penguins will starve due to the increased distance to the open ocean.  Don’t even get me started on the tipping points of the increased albedo this will cause.

  • While we are treated to studies of what will happen to the penguins when Antarctic ice recedes, we get this news.
    As far as I can tell, none of the models predicted this outcome, so exactly what are we getting for our money (the federal government now spends about $80 billion on climate research) ?

    • so exactly what are we getting for our money (the federal government now spends about $80 billion on climate research) ?

      Top.  Men.  The very tippiest of the tip top.  And computers…great big computers with blinky lights.  And they make those computer noises like you hear in hte movies.
      Oh!  And new laws and regulations!

  • When discussing geological phenomena, the phrase “all time record high” ought to be on the time scale of millions of years.  This “record” isn’t even for the past century.  The measurements are younger than most people reading this.
    When alarmists use such wording to claim that the arctic sea ice is at a “record low” and don’t specify that the records are only a few decades old, one should call them on their deception.  Using the same deceptive wording isn’t the way to combat their misinformation.
    Also, when the alarmists trumpet one measurement as strong evidence of CAGW, the typical response of skeptics is to analyze all of the other data and mitigating factors.  I recall during the screeching about the collapse of the ice shelf in Antarctica, some skeptics were pointing out that the alarmists failed to mention volcanic activity and other issues.
    So, pardon me if I’m not impressed by an apparently anti-CAGW article which highlights one single measurement.  What about the average air temperature, ocean temperature, land ice, salinity, cloud cover, wind anomalies, solar levels, etc.?  If we skeptics are going to hold the alarmists’ feet to the fire for cherry picking, we should do better.
    I’d like to read the most coherent pro-CAGW argument about this.  So far, I’ve found a few less-than-convincing comments but haven’t spent the time looking for anything better.

    • The next thing you’ll want is for politicians to talk about money matters in terms of just “next year” instead of those mystical time frames like “over the next ten years”.
      Where’s the fun in saying it will cost “$100 billion next year” when it has so much more bombast by saying “$1 trillion over the next ten years” ?

  • Incidentally, this spoof of Algore at Watts Up With That is hilarious.

  • I’ve given up trying to convince the neanderthal ideologues that science matters. Hey, I have an advanced degree in political SCIENCE, and that trumps anything you neanderthal righties say, because you’re nothing but grunt engineer types. And driven by pure ideology, while my own opinions are totally objective, with my objectivity as pure as the driven snow. I decree it. I’m objective.

    And I objectively tell you the science is settled because top men have said so. Top. Men.

    The deniers’ case is weaker than that of holocaust deniers. That’s right, global warming is so obvious that even a huge pile of dead bodies isn’t as obvious.

    But hey, you all claim the polls are skewed, the media is working for Obama. Deniers, deniers, deniers! How can you say that about Obama of the christlike visage, who thinks like me. He’s going to be re-elected, I tell you. Unless something happens, and he isn’t. In which case, I’ll notice it just in time to mention it to the neighbor’s cat so I can come back here and explain how I had the election figured out all along.

    On the right reality has given way to an alternate reality, a narrative full of conspiracy. There’s no conspiracy! None, I tell you! And the fact that everyone I know in academia is totally committed to indoctrinating educating your kids about the dangers of unfettered freedom anywhere except between consenting adults is not evidence of a conspiracy! We’re just telling them the truth, you know. And also helping them understand that the consenting part might turn into unconsenting if one of the parties, namely the one with ladyparts, changes her mind later. Unless the one with lady parts is Sarah Palin, of course. No one who uses an ample bosom to promote conservative stuff can possibly be trustworthy.

    Of course human caused global warming is real, that’s an accepted scientific fact. So, for goodness sake, stop with the “charts” and “graphs” and “data” and stuff like that. What possible good can it do to look at numbers, when you don’t even understand standard divinations and other statistics stuff the way a brilliant professor with an advanced degree like me does.

    Only a handful of climate scientists doubt the scientific fact, and don’t start up about how all but a handful of climate scientists are funded by government grants. That’s doesn’t matter, because they are good and pure and honest and would never slant their research to please government bureaucrats. Stop saying that. And don’t bring up those Climategate emails either. That was a nasty theft and the person releasing them should be imprisoned for aiding you deniers.

    No more arguing with you guys, it’s time to just defeat you politically. And don’t start with how you’ve been claiming that I’ve been trying to do that forever. I’ve been fair and honest and moderate and stuff, and tried to engage you again and again. But you just won’t listen to my brilliant, creamy analysis and change your minds. Nope, you insist on bringing up totally ridiculous points that I have to handwave aside so often that I got carpal tunnel for a while. While I, of course, only brought up stuff totally validated by the best minds, like Tom Friedman and Juan Cole, which doesn’t mean that I just regurgitated lefty talking points, so stop saying that.

    You’re simply in a fantasy alternate reality. It’s important to assure the next generation doesn’t fall into the trap that seems to have engulfed aging white males, especially those in the south like those inbred sterile guys in Georgia. Who won’t grant how smart I am, and just airily dismiss me when I take my valuable time to come here and comment. Which I do out of the goodness of my heart to educate you sterile, inbred hicks, and totally not to boost my own self-respect by finding people to talk down to.

    Heck, I don’t need you guys to boost my own self-worth! I have a book! And it’s not either printed by a vanity press that specializes in suckering naive social science academics! It’s not, it’s not, it’s not! It’s a very important book about German foreign policy, and it’s the reason I understand all about how the Arab Spring is going to be fine after some good and necessary anachronisms are finished off by Twitter.

    I think you realize you’re failing too – this blog once had lots of content and discussion. It was interesting – I disagreed, but you had ideas. Now it seems petty, angry and shallow. My blog is getting more discussion than yours. Stop laughing! It is! I don’t need your mean old blog {sniff}, because mine is better!

    I’ve looked on now and then (mostly to get economic stats, which are only available from about a thousand other places) but don’t be surprised if this is my last comment. That’s right. Don’t be surprised! I might not come back! And where you be then, huh? Without my rich, creamy analysis, you would have no one pushing back on your righty delusions and conspiracy theories. You’ll miss me if I leave! You will! And I’m totally thinking about it! Really! So you should give me some respect and start changing your mind on this shallow, angry stuff so I stay around and give you the benefit of by godlike powers of political science.

    Ooops, sorry about “Neanderthal.” I tried to remove any personal insults and focus on criticizing the point of view being displayed. And don’t you dare start referring to other insults I’ve put up. I’m good and pure, and only stray a little bit sometimes, and it’s not fair for you to focus on those times instead of all the times I’m a perfectly wonderful debater, going back and forth with you a thousand times, and airily handwaving aside all your so-called arguments and refutations.

    Really, where else can you get a tenured professor to do that for you? You will miss me if I really stay away! Which I’m totally thinking about! I’m warning you! I might do it for real this time! So stop bringing up the previous times I said I wasn’t coming back yet I did. I mean it this time! Stop laughing!

  • How do you hide that decline?  Easy:  get a bunch of fat people to stand in the oceans with water up to their necks.

  • The spooky thing is that if there is more co2 and yet temperatures are falling (probably due to solar activity) Then the usual explanation is a major volcano but we have not had one for some time.  So maybe, maybe we are entering a cold period and that is scary because it could cause widespread crop failure.

    • Instead of researching a way to help people maintain crop yields in the face of cooler weather, billions are wasted on warming that stopped over a decade ago.  Their con job won’t have been harmless if the down swing continues for any length of time and impacts crop yields and we’re late with solutions.

    • There are plenty of active volcanoes out there, so the is always a “vent” when there is an unforeseen “eruption.”

      Sakurajima volcano (Kyushu, Japan): 3 explosions so far today
      Monday Sep 24, 2012 11:55 AM | Age: 9 days
      BY: T

      After a week of relatively low and infrequent explosions, Sakura-jima has picked up with 3 eruptions during the early hours of today. 
      The largest at 12:52 h local time produced an ash plume rising to 11,000 ft (3.4 km) and was captured as webcam video by user cubhf137 on youtube:

  • Antarctic sea ice was predicted to increase by AGW scientists in 2002, confirmed in 2005 & as this thread indicates, did come true.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/06/050630064726.htm

    • One niggling little problem – that was supposed to be warm air causing the ice increase, not colder water.    If you get the same result from something different than the stated cause, it means the theory is wrong.  Pretty simple.   Subsequently one cannot claim the prediction was correct.
       
      “Using data from the Climatic Research Unit of the UEA, it appears sea surface temperatures may explain Antarctic Sea Ice at record levels. SST in the southern hemisphere have a cooling trend of -0.068C per decade over the last 15 years.”