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Christmas tree ban: PC, stupidity or both?

This is a bit odd:

Residents in a Newhall senior apartment complex are protesting an order from management to remove their beloved Christmas tree from the community room because, they were told, it’s a religious symbol.

So, is it a government run facility?


On Tuesday, Tarzana-based JB Partners Group Inc. sent a memo to staff at The Willows senior apartment building demanding they take down Christmas trees and menorahs in communal areas.

The company has owned The Willows for four years, but this is the first time it’s given such a directive to staff.

Ok, what’s the objective then?  Yes, I understand that they own the property and can do pretty much anything they wish, I’m just curious about the ‘why’.

If it isn’t a government facility and the overwrought nonsense that goes on about the separation of church and state, why is a private company demanding that people living in their building and using a common area in the facility refrain from putting up a Christmas tree?

Unless we’re deeply into political correctness and the horrible possibility that it might offend someone?

Ye gods … I swear, we seem to take joy in making life much more difficult than it needs to be at times.


21 Responses to Christmas tree ban: PC, stupidity or both?

  • Militant atheist in some power trip or a Moby. Or a garbled interpretation of something.

  • Probably something to do with government funding, or just a dick-head at corporate.

  • More importantly:  if this is not a government-run facility, why is newsworthy?  It’s a private institution, they can do whatever they damned well please.

    • Seriously…!?!?!  It IS newsworthy (not a legal issue) REGARDLESS of who, or why.  It is newsworthy for precisely the reasons we discuss CULTURE as a big part of what explains how Pres. Not Optimal was re-elected.

      • Seriously, it’s not newsworthy.  It’s none of my business what some private enterprise chooses to do.  They aren’t breaking any laws nor violating anyone’s rights.

    • ” if this is not a government-run facility, why is newsworthy?”
      Why do newspapers have sports sections? Or culture sections? Why do television stations show clips of waterskiing squirrels? De gustibus non est disputandum. Chacun a son gout. Whatever lights your fire.

  • To put a finer point on things:  this is the very sort of thing a Libertarian shouldn’t care about.  It’s a private enterprise dictating rules for their private property.  It’s no different from allowing a restaurant owner to decide whether to allow or ban smoking on his property.  I really couldn’t care less what this apartment complex allows, because I don’t live there.  And if I did live there and didn’t like the rule, I’d move.  Simple as that.

    • Sort of a good exposition of why Libertarians are not more supported.
      See, one CAN look at stuff that happens around them, and express persuasive pressure…NOT coercive pressure…for change.
      Nominally, people living in that home CAN leave.  Practically, some of them would find that impossible.

      • If you really believed in freedom, you would allow this company the freedom to exercise its own beliefs even when they conflicted with yours, provided they weren’t stomping on anyone else’s rights.  And I don’t see how anyone’s rights are violated here.  So, I will allow them to control their own property, and put the matter out of my mind.

        • But you don’t want freedom.  You expect license, which is action without consequence.
          I’m not talking about passing a law.  I’m talking about speaking up.
          Your, “They aren’t breaking any laws nor violating anyone’s rights” nonsense is grossly simplistic and self-contradictory.
          Deal with this classic hypothetical: why should you care if I torture puppies?

          • False equivalence.  You are actually harming the puppies.  The failure to put up a Christmas display harms no living creature.
            You speak of consequence:  what should the consequence be for not putting up a Christmas display?  Will you jaw-bone all your neighbors who don’t decorate their houses?
            Why should you speak up about this one apartment complex?  Why does it bother you so much that you have mentioned applying persuasive pressure on the owners?
            More importantly:  why should I care what they do?  I’m not doing business with them; what they are doing isn’t inherently evil, nor are they oppressing others.

        • “If you really believed in freedom, you would allow this company the freedom to exercise its own beliefs even when they conflicted with yours,”
          Has anyone here said anything about preventing the company from doing whatever they want? If you really believed in freedom you would allow folks to criticize them for doing it.

          • To use your logic:  have I prevented anyone from criticizing them?  No, you are all free to do so.  I’m just saying it’s silly and pointless.
            And Ragspierre was the one who brought up applying persuasive pressure against them, not me.

  • I don’t see the need for applying any kind of pressure.  No one is being told to take down a display from their own residence.  So what if JB Partners Group doesn’t allow holiday displays?  What if they’re a bunch of Jehovah’s Witnesses who don’t believe in these celebrations?  Should we apply persuasive pressure?  What if they’re a bunch of athiests?  What if they just don’t like displays?  It’s their property, it’s their business, and not ours.

    • I think the point is they’re inconsistent. See the discussion of Easter.

      • So, they had an Easter display, but changed their mind for Christmas?  Yawn.  Unless your position is that if they decorate for one religious holiday, they must continue to decorate for all religious holidays into perpetuity, I’m not seeing anything to get worked up over.

  • Put up a fresh tree every month, decorate it to their heart’s content, and proclaim that it NOT religious or holiday-centric (not overtly, anyway *wink*), but that they simply love horticulture and the smell of fresh evergreens.  Any gift -giving will simply commemorate birthdays that occur during the month and/or just-for-the-heck-of-it spontaneous generosity bestowed upon their fellow residents on an ad hoc basis.
    Bah Humbug to the management.
    Beat ’em at their own game.