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Dorner and the Wallets (plural)

Deranged serial killer, Christopher Dorner, may be blossoming into a cause celebre of the moronic and ill-informed, but the official manhunt leading up to his alleged death is spawning plenty of conspiracy. There’s plenty of overlap to be sure. However, one aspect of this case that spurs skepticism is that Dorner’s wallet was found in three different places: San Diego’s Lindbergh Field; the San Ysidro Point of Entry near the US-Mexico border; and in the rubble of the cabin he apparently burned to death in.

So how could this be? Cord Jefferson at the Gawker hazards a guess:

Though he botched a number of things in the course of his warpath—a bungled boat robbery, wrecking his truck and smashing its axle, etc.—Dorner seemed better prepared than most spree killers, which might explain why he had multiple wallets and multiple IDs (perhaps he was trying to throw authorities off his track). Another possibility is that press outlets made mistakes during their reporting, thus leading the public to wrongly believe that Dorner’s wallet was in three places at once.

That sort of seems plausible, except if you’re going to go through the trouble of manufacturing several ID’s and carrying several wallets, why would you have all of them bear the same name, much less your own name? Carrying an ID for “Christopher Dorner” during this manhunt would not be much of an advantage, would it?

No, the more simple explanation (also suggested by Jefferson) is that the media screwed up.

First of all, the only official mention of Dorner’s ID and wallet being found is in the criminal complaint and affidavit filed by the US Marshal Service (see paragraph 7(b)):

“Detective Anschick later found DORNER’s personal belongings, including his wallet and identification cards, near the U.S./Mexico border at the San Ysidro Point of Entry.”

Yet, according to the most recent reports from the scene of the final conflagration, after being cornered in a cabin near Big Bear Lake, California:

He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver’s license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

Did you notice that this info was from an anonymous source? Again, the only official report about a wallet and/or ID being found is the one cited in the federal complaint.

How about the claim that his wallet was found at Lindbergh Field? Well, that seems to come from this NBC San Diego report:

An LAPD badge and a wallet with the suspect’s personal identification were discovered Thursday by an airport shuttle driver near San Diego’s Lindbergh Field.

This particular nugget of info is unsourced, and doesn’t really make much sense. Would a cop who was fired in 2008 still have a badge in 2013?

Even if he did, there is still only one official report of Dorner’s ID/wallet being found, and that’s contained in the federal complaint filed on February 7th.

Ergo, the flowering conspiracy theories are almost entirely fed with media fertilizer. Once again, our intrepid press, with its professional journalists and layers upon layers of fact checkers, have proven themselves the modern equivalent of a sewing circle.

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49 Responses to Dorner and the Wallets (plural)

  • The “press” are rapidly burning down their own status.
    Looking at this incident, and the school murders in Connecticut, what the press has succeeded in doing is fostering a set of complete myths based on false reports.
    Couple this with their unvarnished propaganda in favor of the Collective and animus toward anything NOT Collectivist, their decline in both the regard of the American people and their loss of markets is both predictable and trending.

    • Yes, for example, the camouflage guy that showed up in first reports of Newtown, said to have been taken into custody from the nearby woods, and purported to have said “I didn’t do any of the shooting”, or something to that effect.
      Or the long gun that was supposedly left in the back of the car, which then turned into the weapon that did all the killing….

  • Alternate theory:  the personal identification card found near the border was not his driver’s license, but rather his passport ID card.  (Not the passport book, but the card.)  His driver’s license was found at the cabin.

    • That occurred to me as well, except that in all three “reports” a wallet was also claimed to have been found.  How many wallets would Dorner have been likely to have?  And why more than one?

  • Also, I don’t think it’s all that odd to have more than one wallet.  I have two wallets.  I don’t carry them both at the same time, though.  However, the scenario where Dorner had one wallet with his passport card in it, which was dropped at the border, and another wallet with his California driver’s license in it, which was found at the cabin, is entirely plausible and the simplest explanation which fits all the facts.

    • Dude, having more than one wallet is weird as hell. You need to go see a shrink.

      • That’s a bizarre comment.  Are you a father?  Have you never gotten a wallet as a gift?  As it turns out, I received a billfold as a gift recently; it is much smaller than my existing wallet, so I don’t take it everywhere.  But it fits nicely in the jacket pocket when I wear a suit, and doesn’t bulge like my wallet did.  So, I use both the old wallet and the new billfold, as the need arises.  I keep most of my credit and other cards in the wallet.
        I can see where if I were thinking of going south of the border that I would not want to take much more than cash and my passport, if for no other reason than to avoid having my credit cards or driver’s license stolen.  In that case, the billfold would come in handy.
        Your suggestion that I see a shrink is damned insulting, and I demand an apology.

        • Apology!!!!!!1  How about an Apoplectogy!1!! Pistols at sunset! But only after a few drinks to get our courage up!
          (I was kidding there about that being weird. You do not need to go see a shrink. I should have used a sarc tag, sorry.)
          You actually got me considering buying a second wallet for travel. Instead of swapping out currencies, cards, and ID, just swap wallets. Also handy if I want to throw the cops off my trail.
          Also, I could buy that really cool Kevlar wallet that my stepson didn’t want as a gift.

          • I also want a wallet with a special pouch for SIM cards. I have 3 to swap around when traveling and it would be sweet to have them protected and in safe place instead of a ziploc bag.

    • It’s not implausible, but I’m not sure it’s simplest either.  Your point about the passport card is one I thought of before too, but again, why drop the passport card, but keep the driver’s license?  What good does the license do when you’re the most wanted man around?

      Dunno, but the “media screwed up” still makes the most sense to me.  YMMV.


      (BTW, I think Harun was just teasing and being hyperbolic.)

      • (Usually one ends a tease like that with a smile.  If Harun offers that as an explanation, I’ll accept it; until then, it stands as an uncalled for insult.)
        It’s quite apparent that Dorner put SOME thought to his escape, but not ENOUGH thought.  Which would explain why he held onto his driver’s license and why he didn’t get a fake ID before going on his spree.  With that in mind, he could have decided dropping his passport card near the border might throw the cops off his trail.  You and I, in the comfort of our living rooms, can look at that and think it’s a crazy scheme, but for a criminal on the run with one or two screws loose upstairs, it’s plausible.
        All the press said was that some identifying documents were found in a wallet at the border.  The nature of the documents was not disclosed.  I don’t think there’s enough evidence to conclude the media screwed up yet.  More may come to light, but for now there is a reasonable and simple explanation for the apparently conflicting reports.

  • Is it just me that doesn’t do it? do most people sort of scatter their wallets about as they go from place to place?
    Don’t you find it odd that they found it anywhere but possibly “on” the body?    Unless of course he intended them to be found, which would explain why there are multiples with some form of ID in them.

  • I still want to know how the police knew that there were no hostages in the cabin before they torched it.

    • Gonna be a biatch if that charred body doesn’t turn out to be Dorner’s.
      They didn’t MEAN to do that though, ya see.   That whole ‘burn’ and “motherf’er” scanner conversation will probably go into the memory hole soonest.

  • The racist mass murderer is confirmed dead.
    But he was SMOKIN‘ for a while…

  • CBS has audio recordings of the police yelling out that they should burn down the cabin.
    No too long after that, they hurled CS-gas canisters into the cabin .. you know .. the ones that have a history of starting fires and burning down structures like the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, TX.  And true to their history, they caused the cabin to become engulf in flames.
    Of course, the local sheriff is claiming that they didn’t want to burn down the cabin, but … nudge, nudge know what I mean, say no more

    • Other than your crapweasel innuendo…put up your support.

      • Two recordings of the same conversation (one has better audio but the video gives me a headache).
        A different conversation.
        “we’re going to go ahead with the burn…”!

      • “Crapweasel” ?
        This story is just filled with “bad guys” or idiots.  I’m not sure which is worse.
        The (at least) two incidents of collateral damage are inexcusable.
        I’m not going to defend Dorner, but that doesn’t mean he was the only “bad apple” in this story.

        • Dorner was a bad guy.
          But, the police became unhinged.  I have less respect for CA police today than I did 2 weeks ago.
          Three innocent people who are only alive now because they missed.  And if the audio is true, the executed him with fire.  The whole cop killers somehow rarely being taken alive thing goes back a ways.  But the way they got him was incredibly reckless if there was an unknown hostage.  Or even the fact fire gets out of control and gets firefighters involved and risks people’s lives.  It became clear getting this guy came first over anything else.

          • Wow.  That seems to be tarring with a rather broad brush.  Certainly SOME individual LEOs got unhinged, but the whole state!?!?

          • Didn’t see a whole lot of remorse or promise to restrain themselves from the leadership.

      • They ran it on the CBS Evening News this evening

        • Oh, heavens.  That is sure proof-ish.
          They penetrated the building.
          THEN they used cold tear gas.
          Only after that did they use pyrotechnic tear gas.  Which SOMETIMES starts a fire.
          What is your sob story around this guy?

          • 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

          • Shooting at police makes a tactical situation, however.

          • Nah, they knew they were going to burn him.
            I’m sure they’re aware of things one can do to a gas canister to sort of coach it along fire wise.  For that matter, how do we know it was CS gas, it could have had ‘incendiary’ written all over it, we have to take their word for it.   Which under the circumstances….their reference to “burners” and certainly ‘burn that motherf’er” which people heard over the scanners….kinda gives a nod to the on purpose theory doesn’t it?
            If they were going to conspire to roast the man, they should have done it without broadcasting it.   Hardly looks good to have those comments go out over the air, and then the story plays out to match the comments.
            And I don’t have any good feelings about Dorner – no hero, at all.  Heros don’t gun down the family members of people they’re allegedly trying to get justice from. They don’t fire at game wardens who are clearly not members of LAPD as they blow by them.   Dorner was an ahole, popping cops at random, killing known family members of police.  How that translates to ‘hero’ is beyond me, but I’m old school.
            The word ‘right’ as in ‘correct’ shouldn’t be invoked in any discussion of this CF.

          • And this bit makes it look even worse – the inevitability expressed in the last paragraphs….they’re justifying the use of the fire.

          • The sheriff claimed that they didn’t start the fire on purpose.
            If they did start the fire on purpose, then the sheriff is lying his ass off.

          • Really though, you don’t expect them to say they planned on roasting him, do you?
            “Bryan spoke to retired FBI agent Steve Moore who said the fire-causing nature of pyrotechnic tear gas is why it is often not used.
            He says it causes fires “routinely.” And he added, “I have never been on an operation where it was deployed. And I worked [alongside] SWAT full-time for five years.”
            Doesn’t sound like the fire was a huge surprise to me.  The article says it’s probable, even likely.  They can’t and won’t ever admit it for the record though.
            It would have been more obvious I guess if they’d smashed a lit kerosene lantern lantern on the porch or fired flaming arrows into the roof.
            Still, what were the options?  Assault?  Siege?  Risk him getting away at darkness (though with the military gear these cats have….infrared/night vision….kinda hard to hide body heat)
            He didn’t HAVE to stay in there after the fire started – toss out the gun(s), white rag on a broom handle, hope they wouldn’t blast him when he steps into view.
            Screw that ‘alleged’ stuff we like to throw around, guy WAS a violent, demonstrated, cold blooded killer complete with bad attitude.
            I’m just still bothered by the ‘burn’ comments on the police bands before hand.

  • Color me confused here.  Would anybody here have a beef against this psychopath being shot to death?
    I don’t get all this kevitching over the use of tear gas.  OR fire, if that was the intent.

    • Dorner was a criminal, but color me confused because our country keeps beating it’s chest that we are “fair.”
      I find nothing “fair” about shooting at and ramming innocent folks in trucks that look like that of Dorner.
      I find nothing “fair” about hurlling CS-gas canisters into a wooden structure, when these canisters are well known to start fires.
      I’m for justice, but I just don’t believe in “burning at the stake.”

      • Fair…???
        ZOMG…!!!  I am amazed you would use that word here, and in these circumstances.
        The individual LEOs who fired on innocents should be prosecuted.  Duh.
        But WTF WRT the tear gas?  This was a tactical situation, with a known killer who had published his intent to kill a lot more, and who could not be allowed to get away.  There is no “fair” in that game.  I’d support cluster-bombs if that was the next click on the use-of-force ratchet.  The sheriff deputies followed their rules.  Good for them!

        • You know, I might have felt differently if the sheriff hasn’t said that they weren’t trying to burn down the building.
          You see, I’m left to believe either the sheriff is a liar, or the LEOs on the scene were idiots.

    • No, I was fine with them ending his run.   I was getting tired of hearing about ‘the hero’, AND disturbed and disgusted with the shoot em up behavior of some small % of the people hunting him.
      I can see the avenue of thinking – force him out, hope he surrenders instead of doing a Butch and Sundance.   Unless he had a mask, you’d think the CS would have left him tearing and snotting enough that effective shooting would be unlikely.   Not like he hadn’t just finished killing a deputy that day.
      He probably popped himself when he realized he was going no-where this time.
      I guess I have categories of ‘getting him’.
      Surrender and trial would have worked, though it would have been a complete freaking circus that would have worked out like a mix of  OJ, Mumia and Rodney King.
      Shooting him if he came out guns blazing would have been understandable.  Therefore, less desirable, but acceptable.
      I’d honestly be having less problem with all this if there hadn’t been overhead comments about burning him up.
      Somehow I hoped that the police WOULD be the heros in this, but the LAPD managed to be themselves instead.

      • I’d bet money that the homeowner doesn’t get fully reimbursed for their wanton destruction of his structure.

        • I helped clean up behind a CS grenade/canister launched into an acquaintance’s house, as I recall the city pretty much said “not our problem” when it came to the damage caused.    The place didn’t burn to the ground either, I only know it was tear gas, not a clue how they deployed it.  I saw the after effects, not ‘in process”.
          I would think the insurance company would have to cough up the dough. Not the homeowners fault a whackjob took the place over for his last stand.  Neither an act of God, nor an act of war.

        • I’ll bet you are wrong.

          • Then, the insurance company will raise his/her rates.

          • I don’t agree with your ASSumption that the government will not provide compensation for the structure.
            Please provide support.

  • I think a lot of this weirdness in the case has everything to do with reward money. Lots of people hoping to cash in creating misinformation. The press is just too stupid to figure it out.

    • Karen Reynolds with her husband Jim called 911 to report Dorner had tied them up and stolen their car, potentially making them good candidates for the money. Karen Reynolds said, “We didn’t even think about any of that until sitting around the sheriff’s station. We just kind of started joking about it.”

    • And the badly educated, mindless, sponges and drones once again live up to my low expectations.   Quelle Surprise.

  • Appearing on a Chicago Sunday morning talk show, [Chicago Police] superintendent Garry McCarthy expressed his conviction that firearm owners who lobby their elected representatives or who donate money to political campaigns are engaged in corruption that endangers public safety. McCarthy went on to express his belief that judges and legislators should rely on public opinion polls when interpreting our Constitution.

    After dismissing the citizen’s right to redress grievances, McCarthy focused on the 2nd Amendment. Despite recent court decisions to the contrary, McCarthy opined that the 2nd Amendment limits citizens to owning smooth-bore muskets. McCarthy went on to say that he believes the 2nd Amendment supports mandatory liability insurance for firearm owners and the mandatory application of GPS tracking devices to civilian owned firearms.

    So this is Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s man. Ouch.

  • Not only too stupid to live, but a major corrupt-0-crat and demi-totalitarian.
    Great example of Chicago governance…!!!