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Joe Scarborough is a blooming idiot, and “stand your ground” laws have been around for a long time

I include the former in the title because, as the token “rightie” on MSNBC, it didn’t particularly surprise me to see him fold like a cheap paper box to the culture there and utter these moronic thoughts about the Zimmerman/Martin case:

Because there is no defense for shooting down a young black man in a middle class neighborhood with Skittles. Armed with Skittles.

The man works for a news organization, for heaven sake (or one that claims to be a news organization).  There is no excuse for he or any other MSNBC employee to be this incredibly ignorant about what happened to the point that they think they’re credibly describing reality.  Here’s a clue, Joe … Martin didn’t attack Zimmerman with Skittles.  He attacked him with his fists.  Oh, and key point – Martin initiated the violence.  Got it?

And people are now claiming two other things that have no basis in reality.  One, that “stand your ground laws” are new and should be repealed and two, it was the stand your ground law that got Martin killed.

Dealing with the last first, no, what got Martin killed was choosing (notice the word) to attack George Zimmerman by hitting him in the nose and breaking it and then jumping on top of the man and bashing his head into a sidewalk.  Grow up people … Martin was the aggressor and it had nothing to do with “Skittles”.  Pretending otherwise is just willful ignorance.

But to the “stand your ground laws”.  Andrew Branca over at Legal Insurrection does a little research about the law and provides us with this:

The tendency of the American mind seems to be very strongly against the enforcement of any rule which requires a person to flee when assailed, to avoid chastisement or even to save a human life . . . [Therefore,] [t]he weight of modern authority . . establishes the doctrine that when a person, being without fault and in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel force by force, and if, in reasonable exercise of his right of self-defence, his assailant is killed, he is justifiable.

That’s from an Indiana case ( Runyon v. State, 57 Ind. 80) in 1877 where the court found that no one is required to “retreat” when faced with what they surmise is a deadly assault.

In fact, the late comer to the game are these so-called “duty to retreat” laws.  Branca notes:

Stand-Your-Ground has been around a very long time. Indeed, it has always been the majority doctrine in the United States, with only a minority of states adopting a generalized duty to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense. Even today, only 17 states apply such a duty.

And, as with most stupid laws, common sense tells you the law provides perverse incentive to criminals:

A criminal who knows he can seize physical control of his immediate surroundings with no fear of death or grave bodily harm being visited upon him is emboldened to do exactly that. You get more violent aggression from the criminal element of society, not less, when you force law-abiding citizens to cede control to violent criminals.  It’s Heinleins’, “An armed society is a polite society,” turned topsy-turvy.

Check out hot burglary statistics in the UK since guns have been banned.  They make the case.

Everyone has a right to self-defense up to and including using the force they feel is necessary to preserve their life.  No one has a “duty to retreat”.  Because doing so only encourages criminals to up the ante.  The fact that supposedly bright people are unable to understand that and insist victims further endanger themselves and their lives instead of defending themselves speaks to a cluelessness about human nature that is really difficult to comprehend.

But we all know they’re out there — and they look a lot like Joe Scarborough.

~McQ

18 Responses to Joe Scarborough is a blooming idiot, and “stand your ground” laws have been around for a long time

  • The only mistake I see in the above, and it’s quite glaring, was equating Scarborough with the phrase ‘supposedly bright.’

  • http://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/2013/07/23/eric-holders-proposed-new-law-lie-down-and-die/
    Aaaaannd, as we know, the Collectivist opportunist creep, Barrackah Hussain Obama, sponsored an Ill. bill strengthening the ”Stand your ground” law there in 2004.
    BECAUSE…these laws are wildly popular.  People have always resented being 1) law-abiding, and ) criminalized for self-defense against a furious attack.
    Duh.  In many states there was NEVER any obligation to outrun your rapist, armed robber, or murderer.

  • The mistakes aren’t accidental, they’re calculated lies.
     

    • I agree with this. Well, it is possible that they don’t bother to learn the specific facts in the case, because the facts are irrelevent to the meme. Joe may not know specifically what happened, but if so, that’s because he didn’t bother to look.

  • Anything to keep people from talking about Benghazi…

  • Because doing so only encourages criminals to up the ante.

     
    I must point out that a similar misguided idea (“just sit down and give them what they want”) allowed the 9/11 hijackers to succeed with a good part of their plan.

  • In other news, CNN has this sad story of another extinction event caused by humans…
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/07/with-the-dodos-working-at-cnn-im-not-surprised.php

  • Anything, and I mean anything, that promotes the victimhood status is their means to an end.  It wouldn’t matter if Martin had pursued Zimmerman half way around the state, Zimmerman would be at fault along with Stand Your Ground laws that don’t apply in any event!  Nor does it seem to matter that Obama co-sponsored legislation back in 2004 that strengthened the Stand Your Ground law in Illinois.

  • Everyone has a right to self-defense up to and including using the force they feel is necessary to preserve their life.  No one has a “duty to retreat”.  Because doing so only encourages criminals to up the ante.  The fact that supposedly bright people are unable to understand that and insist victims further endanger themselves and their lives instead of defending themselves speaks to a cluelessness about human nature that is really difficult to comprehend.
     
    That’s if you take their approach to self-defense at face value.  Their approach of discouraging people from defending themselves is designed to make more dependent on big government and also by taking away your options, it leaves appeasement as the only recourse.  Appeasement being expanding and throwing money at programs to offset crime or racial strife.
     

    • Their approach also leaves their kids sitting unprotected in a killing pen for 20 minutes waiting for the cops to show up.

  • http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/wow-scarborough-explodes-on-jay-carney-im-not-someone-you-talk-down-to-from-your-podium-video/
    Living proof that nobody is perfect.  Scarborough is not a perfect ass.  CLOSE.  But not perfect.
     

  • Because there is no defense for shooting down a young black man in a middle class neighborhood with Skittles. Armed with Skittles.

    >>>> Scarborough also went on to endorse the newly pioneered legal concept of “honoring the President” later on in his speech

    • 11th commandment or something.
       
      Well, suggestions actually….it’s the 10 suggestions and the 11th commandment.

  • I’d add one thing to your “Grow up people … Martin was the aggressor and it had nothing to do with “Skittles”.  Pretending otherwise is just willful ignorance.”
    I’d point out that this shooting also had nothing, NOTHING, absolutely  NOT-A-THING  to do with any sort of “racial profiling” of Trayvon Martin.   A white kid pounding Zimmerman’s head into the concrete would have gotten shot as well, and the jury would have found Zimmerman “not guilty” in that case, too.
    It just galls me that the race-baiters claim (and their willing idiots nod and repeat it as though it were gospel) that “a black child can’t even walk home from the store safely” (implying that all us racist white people with big evil guns are just waiting for little black kids to come skipping by, so we can take pot-shots at them).   Grrr.
     

    • Yeeeeup.  As I’ve oft noted…had I done what Rodney the King did, the LAPD would have beaten the dog-snot outta me, too.  Those guys are scared, and you can’t turn that off just because they wear a blue uniform.  It has nothing to do with race, and all to do with human beings.