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Update – Still not Serious

Original post – Seriously UnSerious

10 Days later – The average time for Ebola incubation is 8 to 10 days.

“Less than two weeks later, Frieden admitted that the government wasn’t aggressive enough in managing Ebola and containing the virus as it spread from an infected patient to a nurse at a Dallas hospital.

“We could’ve sent a more robust hospital infection control team and been more hands-on with the hospital from day one about exactly how this should be managed,” he said Tuesday.

Frieden outlined new steps designed to stop the spread of the disease, including the creation of an Ebola response team, increased training for health care workers nationwide and changes at the Texas hospital to minimize the risk of more infections.

“I wish we had put a team like this on the ground the day the patient — the first patient — was diagnosed. That might have prevented this infection,” Frieden said.

Read the rest of this maddening, excuse ridden, inexcusable, hot mess job FAILURE here.

Don't PanicBoy was I silly, I thought the CDC HAD that kind of team on the ground once they realized Ebola Zero had been sent home and then re-admitted a couple of days later.   You know, a team of experts directing all and sundry, overseeing the team, or being the team, for the first Ebola case in the United States.

Nope.

Well, you just have to give them credit for not panicking don’t you?

They were so un-panicked, they didn’t observe that the nurses gear might not have been Ebola proof?   Medical tape?   Wrap 4 or 5 pieces on and you’re good to go!

Ebola is hard to catch!   HAZMAT suits are for sissies!

Years ago I was a Scout Leader, occasionally you let the kids try things you already know aren’t going to work because you want them to think critically and make discoveries and learn. This IS NOT that kind of situation.

If the CDC was observing why the hell didn’t they observe what’s being described as nurses without proper gear and waste matter stacked to the gunwales?

Anyone want to disagree that with my assessment 10 days ago that they weren’t taking this seriously?

Do you think they ARE now?

UPDATE (Dale): I have edited this post to correct the formatting, replaced the text of the original post with a link to it, and deleted the enraging line of equal signs that ran off the edge of the page.

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42 Responses to Update – Still not Serious

  • Oh – a further point of observation – right now we’re at an infection rate of almost 3% (.0285) of the attending medical personal dealing with one…..ONE……. patient.

    Entertain yourself with the various outcomes if you understand the implications of that rate of contamination and infection.

    • I was just commenting to my wife yesterday that this is a thoroughly unsustainable use of “resources”, if I may be so crass as to so label our medical staff. Dedicating 70 full-time equivalents with some percentage of them exposed with some percentage chance of catching the disease with a 50% mortality rate to increase one person’s chance of survival from 30% to 50% is simply an unsustainable rate of resource expenditure, even before we consider the percentages on the sick healthcare working spreading the virus themselves! We can’t be burning highly trained valuable medical staff on such a marginal outcome, even if we for the sake of argument pretend for a moment that they aren’t people themselves. Which of course they are, which makes the cold equations even worse.

      (I’m playing fast and loose with the percentages. Tweaking them doesn’t change my point much.)

      • Any percentage that doesn’t pretty much approach ZERO is not going to fly.

        If we assume a hoard, but finite, set of selfless Mother Teresa’s, eventually your run out of hoard, it’s just math.

        So, if they don’t STOP this NOW…..

      • Frieden said he was fully aware of the fear among health care workers in Texas and elsewhere about the risks of contracting the virus. He said an on-site manager who is an expert in infectious diseases will take charge, and health care workers will undergo new training.

        “Ebola is unfamiliar. It’s scary, and getting it right is really, really important because the stakes are so high,” he said.

        Why, at this point, is anyone even giving the man a microphone to talk in to?

        • We need the grim humor his routine offers. As Mark Steyn observed today…”You can’t get Ebola on a bus, but you can give it”.

          You cannot make this stuff up. And you wouldn’t dream of it, because normal people hate making themselves complete fools in public, while putting the public at terrible risk.

          • If this were old Japan he’d have begged to be allowed to commit ritual suicide to preserve what little honor his family name would have left after his consistent failures.

  • ” Dr. Tom Frieden, director for the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said during a telephone press briefing Wednesday that you cannot get Ebola by sitting next to someone on a bus, but that infected or exposed persons should not ride public transportation because they could transmit the disease to someone else.”

    See that? – You can’t get infected but you can infect someone else if you have it.

    And one more time…why….does he…..have this job?

    Why?

    • He had the right mind-set. He was Nanny Bloomers go-to guy in New York City who was leading the pogroms against smoking, salt, big soda, trans-fats, etc.

  • Well, according to the old ZZ Top song, Mr. Ebola is well on his way to becoming “nation wide”.

    And he’s bad, bad, bad…

    Jet propelled.

    • Frieden is taking lessons from Obama….he’s giving speeches – problem solved.

      • Funny thing…viruses do not have ears.

        They don’t care. The just do a very limited number of things, and none of them are political.

        • Apparently, the workers at the hospital in Houston did not use HAZMAT suits the first two days of the treatment.
          The Obama Administration is supposed to be the “administration of experts” but nobody seem to know what they are expert in and whether it has any utility.
          You really have to wonder if there are any grown-ups left.

          • Dallas. We have the plague of Annise Porker…er, Parker…as the Houston mayor.

          • “Annise Porker…er, Parker…as the Houston mayor.”

            They’re now issuing a subpoena for this post.

  • Or, as National Journal rather glowingly puts it, “[Ebola czar Dr. Nicole] Lurie’s job is to plan for the unthinkable. A global flu pandemic? She has a plan. A bioterror attack? She’s on it. Massive earthquake? Yep. Her responsibilities as assistant secretary span public health, global health, and homeland security.” A profile of Lurie quoted her as saying, “I have responsibility for getting the nation prepared for public health emergencies — whether naturally occurring disasters or man-made, as well as for helping it respond and recover. It’s a pretty significant undertaking.” Still another refers to her as “the highest-ranking federal official in charge of preparing the nation to face such health crises as earthquakes, hurricanes, terrorist attacks, and pandemic influenza.”

    There are a few interesting things about the scandal Lurie was embroiled in years ago. You can — and should — read all about it in the Los Angeles Times’ excellent front-page expose from November 2011, headlined: “Cost, need questioned in $433-million smallpox drug deal: A company controlled by a longtime political donor gets a no-bid contract to supply an experimental remedy for a threat that may not exist.” This Forbes piece is also interesting.

    The donor is billionaire Ron Perelman, who was controlling shareholder of Siga. He’s a huge Democratic donor but he also gets Republicans to play for his team, of course. Siga was under scrutiny even back in October 2010 when The Huffington Post reported that it had named [SEIU] labor leader Andy Stern to its board and “compensated him with stock options that would become dramatically more valuable if the company managed to win the contract it sought with HHS — an agency where Stern has deep connections, having helped lead the year-plus fight for health care reform as then head of the Service Employees International Union.”

  • Today’s black humor: Obama is letting Ebola in the country because he finally found a way to create jobs in shovel-ready projects.

  • If ONLY the GOP hadn’t cut funding! We’d have known this was a serious virus!

  • Ebola is hard to catch! HAZMAT suits are for sissies!
    Reminds me of an old issue of National Lampoon with the cartoon like feature called “Hard-ons for Hitler” where the Allied special forces soldiers jump out of an airplane after saying that “We’re tough; we don’t need parachutes”

  • This should help calm things down …
    *DALLAS COMMISSIONERS TO DECLARE LOCAL STATE OF DISASTER TOMORROW: NBC-TV
    *DALLAS COUNTY CONSIDERS DECLARING STATE OF DISASTER FROM EBOLA
    *DALLAS DISASTER DECLARATION WOULD ACTIVATE EMERGENCY PLAN

  • So the guy royally effed up and doesn’t have the shame to resign?

    Par for the course

  • At some stage, somewhere in the West (probably the USA at this rate of competence), an entire town or city is going to have to be put into lockdown to contain the spread with people confined to their homes until the incubation period has passed and those who are infected are found. It is going to be very ugly and, it seems, very unavoidable. Who is going to survive the political fallout from that when the original response was to tell nurses to wrap some rubbish bags on themselves?

    • Not to worry. Hollywood, if not the US gov’t., is already on top of the situation. Dustin Hoffman should make at least as good an Ebola czar as the current one.

      “Outbreak”;

      “The film focuses on an outbreak of a fictional Ebola-like virus called Motaba in Zaire and later in a small town in the United States. Its primary settings are government disease control centers USAMRIID and the CDC, and the fictional town of Cedar Creek, California. Outbreak’s plot speculates how far military and civilian agencies might go to contain the spread of a deadly contagion.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreak_%28film%29

      • Hoffman could at least portray someone who seemed to really care.

      • What’s a little martial law between friends? I’ll be passing through Texas in a couple weeks, so if you could hold off with the lockdown and curfews until I’ve left that’d super.

  • Frieden has tested positive for one of the most DEADLY diseases known to man; Collectivist “thinking”.

    It is a form of dementia, and has killed tens of millions of people in just the last century.

    He needs to be quarantined FAR from the levers of power.

  • The CDC is distributing new supplies to the Dallas hospital.

    …..thousands of copies of a study about fat lesbians. Nothing can be more sterile than that

    • THAT was killer…

    • The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has awarded $1.5 million to study biological and social factors for why “three-quarters” of lesbians are obese and why gay males are not, calling it an issue of “high public-health significance.”

      The NIH might have had a Ebola vaccine by now if they hadn’t wasted the money that Congressional Republicans had appropriated.

      • Don’t forget the $2.4 million they spent on “Oragami Condoms”.

      • Or the CDC financed Gun Study on causes and prevention of gun violence in 2013 that ended up yielding more positive information about firearms ownership than negative, and was promptly hidden out behind the barn.

    • Hey now! Be fair!
      At least they were studying American Lesbians and not Thai transvestites!

  • Though just WHY does this shock anyone? Hospital staff routinely fail to perform basic sanitation functions like proper hand washing (and don’t even try to tell me otherwise, I know exactly how my father got a near-fatal bacterial infection while in hospital) so why would we expect them to handle Ebola properly???
    A lot of the problems described here are of the same stripe. Infectious waste/materials piled to ceiling? Isn’t there already a protocol for getting rid of that biohazard stuff??? Not disinfecting before visiting next patient??? That’s suddenly an Ebola-only precaution? Really?

    If a handful of carriers show up here our system will be swamped within days.

    • Carriers? You mean people who are contagious and show NO symptoms? What a delightful thought.

      Not to worry though, it is obvious from their actions that our Top Men and Top Women are totally aware of that possibility. Totally. You can also draw comfort from the fact that the number of such people is statistically insignificant, as do the Top Men (and Top Women).

  • White House blames CDC.

    Oh look! Finally, someone who deserves to see the underside of the Bus!!!!!!

  • I read on CNN just now that you’re all in the grip of Fearbola. You can expect a visit real soon now from the Good Prof from Moosesqueeze Memorial Hospital deriding you for your Republican racist irrational fear and your silly demands for 20th century hazmat practices.

    • Fearful, no.
      Angry, yes.

      Ebolanger.

    • Quarantine and isolation are so last millennium. You know like Black Death, Typhoid, Cholera.

      So many lessons learned the hard way over centuries of death and misery forgotten in a single generation of “rainbow and ponies” thinking.

  • Parts of downtown Hamburg, the second-largest city in Germany, resembled a war zone after hundreds of supporters of the jihadist group Islamic State [IS] engaged in bloody street clashes with ethnic Kurds.

    Super. Well, Erp, that’ll make the next junket a bit more interesting, hey…???

    • Supporters of the religion of peace?

      • No no, just an Oktoberfest debate about beer which got out of hand. Move along citizen, nothing to see here… are you bleeding out of your orifices?

      • Oh, and there’s NOOOOOooooo broad support for ISIS around the world…!!! Heavens, no…!!!