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Mother Jones: Quit mocking GOP over Syrian refugee stance

Even Mother Jones know the Democrats are on the wrong side of this issue:

Here’s the thing: to the average person, it seems perfectly reasonable to be suspicious of admitting Syrian refugees to the country. We know that ISIS would like to attack the US. We know that ISIS probably has the wherewithal to infiltrate a few of its people into the flood of refugees. And most voters have no idea how easy it is to get past US screening. They probably figure it’s pretty easy.

So it doesn’t seem xenophobic or crazy to call for an end to accepting Syrian refugees. It seems like simple common sense. After all, things changed after Paris.

Mocking Republicans over this—as liberals spent much of yesterday doing on my Twitter stream—seems absurdly out of touch to a lot of people. Not just wingnut tea partiers, either, but plenty of ordinary centrists too. It makes them wonder if Democrats seriously see no problem here? Do they care at all about national security? Are they really that detached from reality?

They just cancelled a soccer game in Germany due to very hard intelligence that terrorists planned to bomb it.  And, of course, Paris.

Why wouldn’t it be “reasonable” to be suspicious of admitting Syrian refugees to those who are supposedly intellectually above average on the left?

That, my friend, remains the question, doesn’t it?

~McQ

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44 Responses to Mother Jones: Quit mocking GOP over Syrian refugee stance

  • Cancelled game – word was an ambulance bomb was uncovered AFTER they’d found a suspicious parcel/package/bag in the stadium and cleared it. Widely reported/officially unconfirmed as of whatever time I post this.

    From the things that make you go Hmmmmmmm department.
    The immigration act says the Prezy doesn’t have to consult governors about asylum refugees – nor can governors prevent the movement of them by the Federal government into their states.

    Yet sanctuary cities can and do ignore Federal law with the apparent blessing of the Federal government.
    The Federal government is responsible for enforcing immigration law but refuses to do so and State Governors are responsible for protecting their constituents.

    Apparently only a few of us see the obvious gross contradictions at play here.
    I understand I am an immigrant hatin racist for mentioning it (even though Hispanic is not a race, nor is Syrian, nor is Islam) .

  • Perhaps, they should stop mocking Bush, too.

    OBAMA: What I didn’t fully appreciate, and nobody can appreciate until they’re in the position, is how decentralized power is in this system. When you’re in the seat and you’re seeing the housing market collapse and you are seeing unemployment skyrocketing and you have a sense of what the right thing to do is, then you realize, “Okay, not only do I have to persuade my own party, not only do I have to prevent the other party from blocking what the right thing to do is, but now I can anticipate this lawsuit, this lobbying taking place, and this federal agency that technically is independent, so I can’t tell them what to do. I’ve got the Federal Reserve, and I’m hoping that they do the right thing—and by the way, since the economy now is global, I’ve got to make sure that the Europeans, the Asians, the Chinese, everybody is on board.” A lot of the work is not just identifying the right policy but now constantly building these ever shifting coalitions to be able to actually implement and execute and get it done.
    http://www.gq.com/story/president-obama-bill-simmons-interview-gq-men-of-the-yearhttp://www.gq.com/story/president-obama-bill-simmons-interview-gq-men-of-the-year

    Somebody tell me that this guy wasn’t really this stupid coming into the office.
    If this is true, he wasn’t just green .. he was a complete ignoramus.
    Somebody told me that this guy used to teach Constitutional law. I don’t believe it for a minute. The distribution of power in the federal government is 10th grade stuff .. tops.

    Obviously, Bush made this look too easy.

    • “he was a complete ignoramus”
      Hey! That’s “smartest complete ignoramus in any room” to you buddy!

      • The economy, it’s global now – see, that’s completely new, never like that before 2008.
        Prior to his descent from the higher heavens to Olympus we pretty much just traded with ourselves and hardly ever had any interaction with foreign countries and trade agreements and diplomacy.

        Only he has had to contend with tariffs and protectionism and trade pacts and ‘makin sure everybody is on board’.
        The poor baby

        Gawd.

    • … and he hires the most dense …

      Lynch conceded that she had not read the congressional reports finding that Lerner had “abused” conservative groups, but emphasized that Lerner’s failures were bureaucratic errors rather than potential crimes. “Our review found that the management of the process by which tax-exempt applications were handled at the IRS was characterized by mismanagement and inefficiency in numerous circumstances,” she said.

      Issa read Lynch the federal statute governing congressional contempt citations, which says that it “shall be [the U.S. attorney’s duty] to bring the matter before the grand jury,” but Lynch stuck by her position. “In the exercise of prosecutorial discretion, that decision was made,” she said

      “You have no respect for laws passed if you don’t like them,” Issa replied. “You think you have discretion when something says ‘shall,’ is what you’re testifying to, today.”

  • If you notice, the reason for the ‘call to reason’ is because they were making the Left look bad. Not because it actually is a bad idea but because its a vote loser.

    Good luck in pulling them back, though. The Left’s core message has pretty much only been “Republican’s are bad, m’kay!”

    • Well you don’t expect them to admit that we may have a legit point and aren’t acting out RACISTY RACE RACISM do you?

  • Hey, but Big Ears says we’re afraid of widers and orphans – I wonder if we should have been afraid of the jihadi “wife” that blew herself up in Paris today.
    Or if we should be concerned with the women who have been stabbing Israelis at various checkpoints in Israel.

    hmmmm….I guess those were really guys who self identified as a women – yeah, I’ll bet that’s it.

    Our most excellent vetting process (“Are you a terrorist? – No? Good, okay, we’ll be relocating you to Louisiana” ) will of course prevent any of these men who self identify as women and who might be inclined to stab or explode from coming to the US.

  • France has vowed to take in 30,000 refugees in the next two years. The French are not being guided by fear, they know that ISIS wants the West to start fearing immigrants, and those who decry accepting refugees are the useful idiots for ISIS. After all, we risk death by driving – 35,000 are killed on highways each year. But fear of one terror attack gets some people to give up core American values out of fear. The pussification of America. Thank God the French and others will stand for true values over fear. Alas, too many Americans are like scared little kids, letting emotion and fear lead them to xenophobia, irrationality, and hate. That is shameful, it shows a lack of character.

    • So now you claim to have inside knowledge of ISIS’s strategy.

    • “The pussification of America.”
      Uh huh – tell that to DHS, TSA, NSA, etc.

      ” But fear of one terror attack gets some people to give up core American values out of fear.”
      Uh – huh, which is why we should take everybody’s guns away because…
      And we banned Confederate flags all over the place because….
      And delicate snowflakes on colleges campuses in the US can’t hear words about thoughts that scare them because….

      I walk in airports where there are guards with machine guns, the White House is behind barricades, we have metal detectors in schools, I certainly didn’t approve all that.

      However, what is a bit irrational is declaring that caution is identical to ‘hate’, ‘xenophobia’ and ‘irrationality’.

      You picked a really odd time to pipe up about terror and fear, and not giving in.
      “The French” will stand up – remains to be seen if “The French” is the same as “the leaders of France” doesn’t it.
      And you skipped mentioning the part where Hollande
      “…called it a “humanitarian duty” to help those people … but one that will go hand in hand with “our duty to protect our people.”
      “We have to reinforce our borders while remaining true to our values,” he said. ”

      And just when I thought you’d developed sense living up to your threats of not coming back to this den of right wing last century thinking outdated military type xenophobic islamophobic losers.

      • Professor Pollywobble seems to have not noticed that borders were being closed all through Europe long *before* an attack in Paris. People don’t want this wave of refugees not only because there are terrorists among them. They primarily don’t want the flood because it will collapse the welfare states if it continues, drive up taxes, place strain on schools and hospitals and generally destroy what they view as their birthrights through the good old “social contract”. Terrorism is just the icing on the shit sandwich. But sure, let’s pretend it’s about people being scared of refugees.

        • “being scared of refugees”

          Widows and orphans.

          Who for some reason statistically speaking in Europe have been 50%+ males between the ages of 15 and 35.

          • Because there are special rules for “children arriving alone”. You would not believe how many children need a good shave every day … Literally, there are 20 year old men arriving claiming to be children and no one can deny them because there is no proof. I’ve seen them shipping bus loads of them at a local hotel converted to a temporary asylum processing point, not a child or woman among them. Once they get residency somewhere, in comes the rest of the family.

          • You – you’re an eyewitness to this stuff –

            therefore your information can be disregarded if it conflicts with what Pollywobble feels in his heart is true.

        • Also let’s forget why they are refugees. Firstly most are not under direct persecution. Their homes just suck to live in anymore. So the term refugee does not apply, its just a guilt trigger word. Why do their homes suck? Obama foreign policy victories!

      • I suspect he and his girlfriend went to see Fifty Shades of Grey, but when he got “those urges” again and she didn’t go for that kind of hanky-spanky he came here to get spanked.

      • Yes, but freedom of speech and the right to bear arms are not core American values.

    • I had to look twice to make sure this was not Ott Scerb fulfilling the aforementioned disconnect with sanity that makes the whole Left look Bat Shit crazy.

      • Interest the announcement had a different tone than what Scerb implied

        “France will not welcome more refugees than the 30,000 it has pledged to host within the next two years as part of a broader European Union plan, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said on Thursday.
        It won’t be more,” Valls said on France 2 television. “We cannot welcome to Europe all those who flee Syria’s dictatorship.

        In what appeared to be efforts to counter concerns over immigration and criticisms by the far-right National Front party, Valls said that refugees who wouldn’t be granted asylum would have to leave France.

        http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/24/uk-europe-migrants-france-idUKKCN0RO2FT20150924

        Pretty much declaring they won’t take more and they further plan to vet the ones they do take.

        • Chuckles figures that we’re going to be shamed or something because ‘France’.

        • What would be the per capita equivalent for the US for the Mexican Economic Refugees. “150,000 illegal aliens and no more!”. If that would be abided, I could live with that easy. Of course France’s 30,000 is a one time shot.

          • The fall of Saigon led to the U.S.-sponsored evacuation of approximately 125,000 Vietnamese refugees .. err .. immigrants.

      • The true measure of stupid beliefs is that it become incredibly difficult to tell him and his parody apart.

    • So, wanting to be cautious and protect one’s family and country is now equivalent to being a xenophobe, a hater and irrational. Got it. Thanks, oh learned one. What would we do without you. I’m curious, has your stupidity somehow morphed into full blown insanity? Or do they now occupy both halves of your so-called mind?

    • Here ya go skippy – don’t go fearing ‘immigrants’ from Syria now, that would be irrational, xenophobic and hateful.

    • Sure, the French will take in 30,000 over the next two years .. starting next year.

      “… Alas, too many Americans are like scared little kids …”

      So, are you saying they need “safe spaces” ?

    • 30000 over two years? That is pretty much nothing, it might cover the number of Jews emigrating from France to Israel every year though. There are millions on the move from Syria to Afghanistan. Just this year Sweden (with a population 17/ of France) has received over 100000 asylum seekers, with over 30000 of those from Syria. The situation is such now that there is literally no housing left and some of the poor sods are going to spend the winter in tents or on the streets. But still they come. So tell me again Scott why you are so proud of France taking 15000 per year for two years? The unrest in Europe is not about the few terrorists that might be slipping in but the sheer volume of people that will severely disrupt much social services and drive up taxes.

      • Remembering Promising 30,000 up front while everyone is watching and actually taking 30,000 by the time all is said and done are two different things.

        • Right – they could take a page from the Obama administration standard of ‘unexpected’ readjustments to formerly useful government reports they pulled out of their ass in the first place.

          2 years from now, who’s going to check, and if they didn’t meet the number in the end, who’s REALLY going to care.

          But Pollywobble knows talk is cheap, it’s the line of work he’s in.

          • I’m privy to Canadian Politics which takes it queue from European Politics and State friendly media. Bows are taken up front on page one and minds are changes later below the fold on page 6 before the consequences backfire.

            Just think how much follow through Obama’s been held accountable on. Now realize this is SOP in most European Countries for quite some time, now, if the politicians are liked enough by the media.

    • …give up core American values out of fear.

      What sort of fool opens the flood gates for these mostly military-aged men whose cultural values are decidedly anti-American in nature? How many fundamentalist Muslims respect freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and other true core American values?

      Oh, and those brave French? They said, “Je suis Charlie,” but they didn’t mean it. They’re afraid to publish the cartoons. The surviving Charlie Hebdo staff abandoned their Mohammed cartoons for lack of support.

      The liberal/progressives who have adopted a strategy of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”, supporting Muslims as aggrieved minorities, thinking this will piss off Republicans/conservatives, have gravely miscalculated. If they think conservative Americans are sexist, racist, homophobic, etc., wait until they deal with people who come from countries where women are forced to cover themselves, gays are murdered, etc..

      This is only going to get worse and, at some point, you’ll be forced to abandon this tack. In a few years, you’ll be denying that you were touting mass immigration of these “refugees” (half of whom aren’t Syrian or Iraqi, most of whom are military-aged males).

    • You’re the eternal idiot, Erb. A disgrace in every sense of the word. A liar, a scoundrel, and a bum.

  • Here’s the thing; It seems perfectly reasonable to this average person to be suspicious of ALL Muslims, Syrian or not. At least two of those terrorists in Paris were not Syrian. A large number of those fighting and blowing themselves up for ISIS are not Syrian. They all do, however, have something in common. The Religion of Peace and Perpetual Outrage.

  • Given the breadth of the campaign of flowers, candles and hashtags response the world is engaged in – it’s very clear to me we need to ask Congress to significantly increase funding for foreign aid to Syria that will consist of freighter loads of fresh flowers, teddy bears, scented candles, and perhaps free cell phones.

    It should be obvious to even the mildly brain dead war loving conservatives that combating Islamic extremism in various western cities around the world by making plush toy flowery candle shrines to the many recently butchered in Paris is NOT going to take the love war home to the lands of the extremists and will be of only limited effectiveness.
    We will need to set these flower bedecked plushy shrines up IN Syria and the lands controlled by ISIL/ISIS/IMBAD/ISWHATEVER in order for them to be maximally effective.
    The White House needs to extend their “#Refugees Welcome” and “#Bringbackourgirls” campaign beyond the LED and LCD displays of cell phones to actual banners and billboards throughout the Islamic countries to let the radicals and others know, that we intend to love them to peace and will welcome them into our countries without reservation until we have hugged them and polited them into understanding the fullness of our love and concern for their well being. Only in this way can we convince them of the trueness of our views and the perhaps misguidedness of theirs (not to say that our view are better than theirs of course, that would be wrong to do).

    Anything else, even the mildest of cautions or worries would be counterproductive and would only play into the hands of the radicals!

  • Let the *extremely* wealthy Arab states — SA, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait — take Arab refugees. Wonderful cultural compatibility, close by, the natural solution to the problem. Safe havens until conditions improve in the homelands of the refugees. No need to admit them to Europe or America.

    And STFU Erb.

    • “No need to admit them to Europe or America.”
      Well, except we saw how they embraced the “refugees” of the Ummah from Palestine back in 1948….who were their “kindred”.

      Oh…..
      Wait!
      They didn’t, because even though pollywobble progressives think they’re kindred and even though they pretend they are for their mouthings in the UN, they are not,
      and most of the other “Arab” countries were no more interested in providing a home for the Palestinian refugees back then than they are in providing a home for the Syrians “refugees” today.

      I know you know that.
      And I should know saying it to someone like Erb is like reading the Constitution to a mob of Meerkats.

      • Back in ’48 those wealthy Arab states were not rolling dough the way they are now.

        And it’s the job of Western diplomacy (God help us) to remind them of their responsibilities.

        But under no circumstances should this remain a suppressed question while Obama, the filthy slob liar, go on about how “that’s not who we are.”

        Someone told me this morning — I haven’t checked yet — that it’s being reported that there are more “Belgians” fighting for ISIS than there are in the Belgian security services.

        • Stick a fork in Europe, its done. They should be smart and start shipping their Museum pieces and other items to mark their legacy to North America now. where they can last a couple more decades than they would have in Europe.