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The significance of NoKo’s “satellite” launch

Yes, yes, I know, I’m making some assumptions.  Assumption A) Noko was actually able to launch a “satellite”.  Assumption B) they’ve actually built a real nuclear device that works and downsized it enough to be launched.  And assumption C) they’d do what I think they would do for no other reason than they can.  See the link below:

‘For the Record’: Understanding the Threat of EMP

And what is our military being directed to do? Well they’ve been directed to  integrate women into combat jobs and prioritize “climate change” in all of our military operations.  Or said another way, its about ideology over national security.

EMP is a real threat, a cheap and easy way for those with low yield nuclear weapons to have a huge and potentially devastating effect on a large and more dangerous enemy.  But, instead of concentrating on real threats, we’re involved in potentially capability degrading social engineering and ideological masturbation.

Do I think the potential number of 300 million dead in the US is probable (as outlined in the clip)?  No. I don’t.  We have neighbors and allies (unless they too are all hit with the same sort of attack, which would be unlikely). But it would likely cost us millions of lives.  There’s no question the effect would be pretty devastating on the national infrastructure – something no one in government has addressed adequately.  In fact, preparation for EMP attacks is nonexistent.  And, in the case of such an attack, as a side effect, you can  expect the bad actors in the world to take advantage of the attack to advance their agendas as well.

Will NoKo do it?  Under the right circumstances (that means should it ever enter the whack-a-do leader’s head), yes.  Do I think it will happen?  Well it depends on assumptions A and B.  And the “experts” seem to think that they at least haven’t been able to do B.  I don’t disagree.

But NoKo isn’t the only rogue nation out there trying to develop this sort of capability.  The article above talks about “delivery” of nuclear weapons in a conventional sense, i.e. ground to ground.  And it claims NoKo has a long way to go to do that.  But, as I’m suggesting, do they really need to do that if they can set up the EMP attack?  Same with Iran?

Of course, should NoKo and/or Iran screw up such an attack, I’m sure they’re aware that they’d cease to exist as a functioning state as the retaliation from a real nuclear capable nation would be devastating.  And our biggest deterrent (besides the overwhelming ability to strike them) may be the fact that they are unsure of the effect or reliability of their technology.

That doesn’t change the fact that we’ve done nothing to prepare for a threat that a nations like NoKo or Iran (or any other nuclear capable nation) are building.  I’ve heard it discussed as a serious problem for decades and we’ve still done nothing about it.  If this crew in charge right now want to actually do something to benefit national security, they ought to knock off the social engineering and ideological nonsense and prepare the military and the nation’s infrastructure to resist an EMP attack.

That would actually be useful.


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35 Responses to The significance of NoKo’s “satellite” launch

  • I don’t think we’d massively nuke NOKO in response – because of the proximity of the South. Selective tactical nukes maybe to make the point in a couple spots.
    Really not the same as denying hunks of Germany to the Warsaw Pact as we headed back towards the Rhine though.
    Same for Iran – I could see us using some tactical nukes to make some places glow there too, like Parchin for starters.

    So blowing them back to the stoneage would be the good old fashion way.
    Not like the world wouldn’t understand, though after they EMP us and manage to cause a bunch of Americans to collaterally kill themselves in the riots afterwards for food and water I don’t think we’d be much in the mood to really listen to anyone, and that would include the usual collection of local idiots with their coexist bumper stickers.

    until we were done with the old fashioned WWII style beat down and soul crushing occupation.
    To say we’d be collectively in a very bad mood would be an understatement.

    Seriously though, we’re not mentally prepared for the result of losing the grid. People are really clueless.

    For example, PART of Fort Worth had a drinking water problem last week and one of my co-workers was affected. We trundled over to a local Wal-Mart, outside the area of effect to buy some water.
    She was buying for herself and her daughters family, so she wasn’t out of line in what she bought.
    We figured a gallon a day per person, and assumed they might not be back on line for 2 days, and then she bought a couple gallons extra in smaller easier to manage containers.
    Her purchase alone – about 18 gallons in one go, put a noticeable dent in their shelved water supply at the store.
    Made me ponder how it would look with idiots grabbing all they could get their hands on willy nilly ‘because!!!!!!’

    People take water for granted – not like there are springs for drawing water in most cities, and nothing to move it up to where people live in their apartments. And if the lifts aren’t working – a 20 floor walk up with 4 gallons is going to stress Fat Chuck the programmer (guess he’d eventually become Skinny Chuck…)

    Then there’s food of course.

    And even though there’s going to be shelter – all those apartment dwelling folks in new buildings with windows that don’t open 10 floors up…. probably will abandon those lofty expensive, unlit, unventilated digs.

    Human Waste disposal….ewwwww.

    Dead bodies…

    Keeping the living ones warm, or cool – ouch. Big cities aren’t built to heat with wood – and coal – well, you’d have to get it there.

    Most transport becomes foot – I suppose bicycles won’t be affected –
    draft animals nope.

    So depending on how long it lasts…you can see why the estimate is where it’s at.

    Shoot New Orleans was by itself during Katrina, and could rely on the rest of the country – a mini nightmare still happened – what if you take out the grid from San Diego to Seattle, or Chicago to Brownsville.
    And it’s not like the Canadian system is in any better state of readiness, or would be isolated from ours when ours takes the hit, so the Canadians are going to be busy on their own.
    And Mexico too, depending on the location and effect range of the pulse.

    And folks say preppers are nutz.

    Yeah, we’ll be in a really really really bad mood….

    • You forgot the best source of emergency water supply you have: the water in your hot water heater.
      Turn off the input valve (so you don’t get pumped in contaminated water) and attach a hose to the bottom drain valve on the heater.

      Most heaters are 20-30 gallons; so you have 20-30 man days of water right there sitting in the tank.

  • North Korea is a joint subsidiary operation of the Russians and the Chinese. The idea that it’s a rogue state, acting independently from its patrons, is a typical disinformation ruse. Similar to thinking that Romania, Bulgaria, East Germany and other Soviet satellites were self-directed. That means that the idea that North Korea has only the nuclear technology that it has steadily developed over the years is a dangerous one. They might, for instance, using the cover of their own program, such as it might be, have a ready arsenal of Russian weapons sitting on Russian missiles. The disinformation is just that thick.

  • North Korea is best seen as a kind of mafia state – more an organized criminal enterprise than a government. The concern is less an attack on the US (deterrence works) then an attack on our interests (extended deterrence doesn’t necessarily work so well). Unless our huge defense establishment can only do one thing at a time, citing the issues of women in combat or concern for the security implications of global warming is irrelevant – many things are necessarily going on at the same time in a military establishment as complex and multi-faceted as ours. The issue of deterrence of rogue threats has been a major concern now for a quarter century. I agree it should be a priority. It also remains true that the leadership of countries like North Korea and Iran is rational and not suicidal.

    • Hey, Skippy – you understand what an EMP is?
      You can probably find it the same way you did SJW.

      I think you might go look it up before you say too much more.

      and then decide which deterrent is going to work on a country that just gave the international sanctions the finger to start enriching plutonium again in Yongbyon.
      Or the country that just gave the finger to the sanctions and agreements it signed with the world by launching a satellite.
      When you have a foreign leader who’s whacko enough to think he can ride out our response in comfort in one of his underground bunkers you’d better not take it lightly.
      I mean, you don’t actually think he gives a rat’s ass about his people, do you?

      And rogue threats which have only been stupid threats become different when they physically demonstrate they can reach low earth orbit, and can potentially reach the Pacific West Coast of the United States with a satellite sized package.
      But you really didn’t understand the implications of that the other day when I mentioned it as another of Obama’s foreign policy blunders, did you.

      This is the implication skippy.
      It won’t be ‘easy’ anymore for us to get North Korea if they kill the electrical grid in the United States.
      And considering his people are already living in a way just slightly more advanced than the stone age, they wouldn’t be hurt much if he took out the grid in Asia either.

      • Oh, it’s not just the grid by the way ….it’s your appliances, and your car, and the trucks down at the freight yard, and the engines that haul the freight, and the planes that carry you to Italy and the pumps that keep the water pressure in your water lines….

        Yeah, it’s one of those electrical thingies.

      • I’ve noticed Alan that the weaker your argument, the more insults and longer the post! 😉 The North Korean regime worry about themselves. If they got nuked, their entire operation would be destroyed and they’d be toast. Even if they somehow survived, they’d have nowhere to go and would be hunted down. North Korea has already tested missiles with a range to hit the west coast of the US. They have nuclear weapons. I’m not sure what you mean by “satellite sized package.” Concern about EMP has been around for a long time (it was even incorporated as the first part of an attack on the US by the Soviets in ABC’s ‘The Day After’ back in 1983). I have to agree with most military experts that this is a threat to take seriously (either from nuclear devices or from non-nuclear ‘e-bombs’), but is of low probability. Yet given the importance of our electrical grid and the increased reliance on technology, I agree that even if low probability more needs to be done in preparation. That is an issue to be taken seriously regardless of North Korea’s nuclear capabilities.

        • Right, we could just nuke them and let our allies in South Korea, which is just south of North Korea, deal with the nuclear after effects.
          Hey, did you know it’s a whole 105 miles from Pongyang to Seoul? wow! Safe zone!
          Yes, our Korean allies will love us when we ‘toast’ North Korea with nuclear devices.

          And the Chinese, I’m sure they’re fine with us nuking the country next store, they might never be concerned that we’d miss, or maybe we’d miss on purpose. That would never enter their minds.

          And Japan, they’ll be okay with that because we’ve already dropped atomic devices on them.

          Oh, and Russia too because Vladivostok is a long long long way from North Korea.

          Low probability – oh, yes = because you say so.
          Well, considering the potential effect, you’re right – we should invest our time dealing with Global Warming instead, that’s a high high probability after all.
          And I’m sure the government would tell you an EMP was a high probability, that they’re not prepared for, because that would make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy inside while we watched the Super Bowl.

          And you, being in touch with the inner workings of the minds of the leadership in North Korea, know there’s nothing to worry about from them.
          I’ll feel MUCH better knowing it wasn’t North Korea after all. I’ll say “phew! Thank God Scott was right!”
          But probably not, because I probably won’t be able to get the news about who actually did it.
          Darn, you wont’ be able to get credit for being right after all!
          Well boo!

          But it is important now, when a few minutes ago the primary concern was attacks on our interest, and the military should focus on global warming instead of EMP.
          It’s a low probability, so if we don’t pay attention to it, it’ll be okay, and it couldn’t come from North Korea.

          Yeah, you don’t get it.

          • Tactical nuclear weapons (sometimes called battlefield nukes) would work fine in such a circumstance; indeed, those would be the only kind we would use. And if North Korea attacked the US, I don’t think China or Russia would be in a position to protest. Well, they might protest but they’re not going to risk nuclear war over a country that’s been an irritation to both. My thinking on North Korean interests and tactics pretty much represents that of most foreign policy analysts. Do you have a different view? As for EMP you seem to have misread my post. I said that while it’s low probability, the potential damage is sever enough that it should indeed be taken seriously – in that, I agreed with the post. So your sarcasm is a bit misplaced, as usual.

          • ohhhh! Battlefield nukes!

          • Tactical nukes still produce radiation.
            There are weather patterns to consider, oh, and uh, targeting.

            See you’ve completely omitted knowing where to nuke in your planning.
            Because they’re not going to help you by painting a big X on the door of the bunker where Kim is hiding today, after he blipped the US.

            Or is your ‘strategic plan’ to ‘tactically nuke’ random North Korean cities and bases and hope for the best.
            Nuclear Spray and Pray!
            Mr. Expert.

            People who talk about using tactical nukes like they’re just big bombs don’t know much, and people who think we wouldn’t advise and get a blessing from China and Russia, and oh, yeah Japan, well, again, don’t know much.

            BECAUSE, General Erp
            You’ve forgotten in your tactical rush to toasting North Korea that the US won’t be in very good fighting shape after a continental EMP event.
            Further indication you are talking out of turn.
            The US government and military will be very fully engaged right here at home trying to keep things together while we try and get back on our feet.
            So any quick response would have to come from our overseas assets, and it’ll be quite a while before they’re significantly reinforced and rearmed from the Continental US.

            Assuming the equipment still functions properly, getting the personnel organized, equipped and moved to where you want them will be a logistical nightmare beyond your wildest dreams.

            So you better plan on spending your overseas pennies very wisely, and not pissing off countries that still have working infrastructures, and large, fully operational, military forces.


          • Silly us.

            In our briefing General, we forgot to get South Korea’s blessing to nuke the same peninsula they live on because we’re pissed off.

            Shall we just go ahead and start issuing release codes anyway?

          • As a further consideration – try reading a real analysis of the situation.

          • You’re being silly. First, the chances of a continental EMP event that could do that much damage are virtually nil. You’re dealing in fantasy. Second, yes, we could hit North Korea hard with tactical nukes even after such an event. Third, tactical nukes do not create so much radiation as to threaten the South significantly or neighboring countries. That’s why they can be used on battlefields. I sense you really haven’t studied these issues much – since the Cold War ended, knowledge about nuclear weapons has decreased, so I don’t blame you. But this is really something where North Korea is virtually impotent. If you’re really afraid of EMP so much, I just have to chuckle. Yes, it is a possible threat, but there are many far more likely and relevant threats. Moreover, it is very likely to be very limited. I really think you need to real scholarly research on this, and not some sensational bits that really lack good research.

          • You’re being silly. First, the chances of a continental EMP event that could do that much damage are virtually nil. You’re dealing in fantasy.”

            You obviously didn’t read the quick reference to the Congressional EMP commission report cited at the start of the post. The one that McQ mentioned.
            Take a second, it’s a quick look.
            Or even the reference material I added – also a quick read, that details our limited inventory of tactical devices and our current doctrine pertaining to their use.

            Once you’ve done that you should probably feel free to add another couple of badges to your many badged clown suit.
            Add some big Mussolini style ones in honor of your upcoming trip to Italy.

            Those crazy Congress guys, they should have hired you.
            Why don’t you get the nice ladies over the the Skowhegan library to write you a lettof of introduction and send Congress your scholarly research on the subject.


          • The article you linked did not at all contradict what I said; I’ve probably looked into this issue more deeply than you have (given what you write, I’m pretty sure of it). If you want to get alarmed over the possibility of EMP – something that has been a threat for decades – go ahead. One can be scared of terrorism, biological weapons, dirty bombs, chemical weapons, cyber attacks and (perhaps the most likely) legal economic damage inflicted by dumping bonds, currency and stocks. There are a host of possibilities, and rest assured the Pentagon and the American defense community takes them seriously. There is no need to live in fear!

          • “First, the chances of a continental EMP event that could do that much damage are virtually nil. ”

            I’ll be generous, and assume you mean the chances of it happening are virtually nil and assume you’re not disputing it can cause that kind of damage should it occur.

            But we should make Global Warming a primary focus for the US military, and we don’t need to worry about a HEMP event. – because Scott says so –

            Well, then Congress can just stop looking into that then can’t they.

          • Again, you try to argue on the cheap – you don’t support your case. Do you really think EMP is a huge threat from North Korea? Make that case! I do integrate the danger of EMP (I think e-bombs are more likely than nuclear to deliver it, though they’d not cover as much territory) in my foreign policy class, and if you give me information that suggests the experts currently are wrong and it should be stressed more, I’ll take it seriously. But there are numerous threats the US has to be prepared for – to use deterrence, diplomacy and to be prepared to use force if necessary. The Pentagon does see real security concerns from global warming too. But none of this is “because Scott says so.” Scott keeps up with the foreign and defense policy literature because I have to. It’s also why I studied Islam in depth – it’s really important for the next generation to understand the complexities of a world in transition. A world in motion, if you will.

          • Asshat –
            EMP is the threat – it’s irrelevant if it’s North Korea.
            You think the effect will be any better or worse if it’s from some other party?

            You’d spend billions on a nebulous threat of a tenth of a degree in temperature increase over the next 50 years because you’ve bought the Al Gore story about Global super hype warming. Yes, yes, consensus, science, huuu-rah.
            You’re not even sure anything we can do will change that and I’ll predict right here that within ten years time we’ll be treating global warming the way we treat the Ice Age stories in the late 70’s.

            But you’re not worried enough about the electrical grid the nation runs on in nearly the same way, which would almost certainly result in very short term mass mayhem.

            That says all that needs saying.

          • You don’t need to worry about North Korea, Alan, we can deter/contain them. You bring up global warming – a real danger much more likely than EMP — in a way that really doesn’t apply here. People are concerned about a myriad of threats, including EMP. There is no reason to get in a panic over North Korea though! No need for fear!

          • And again – Asshat.

            Not about North Korea,
            Global warming 1 degree temperature change over a century time span can never kill 300 million Americans in less than a year, in any scenario.
            We have no idea how to actually stop global warming.

            We know exactly how to harden the most important parts of the electrical grid to withstand an EMP so that we could make repairs to affected parts before everyone starves.
            Hardening the old grid actually has a predictable end time frame and a predictable cost and new additions can be built hard to meet the necessary standard as part of construction.

            I won’t bother with an all too plausible scenario, involving someone other than Korea, who has the wherewithal to make the deal stick.
            Your research is lazy, and you are your own authority, lightly backed up by the first thing you can find on the net that seems to agree with whatever idiotic thing you think.
            You live in some happy unicorn land where these things can’t happen because….Scott says so.

          • “I studied Islam in depth”

            Still trying to push that blatant lie?

            In your words, “Show, don’t tell”. The problem is that every time you try to show, it only proves you are lying.

          • I have – after 9-11 I knew I had a moral responsibility to be accurate in talking about Islam when teaching. So I taught a course “Islam and the West” (an honors course) which forced me to read a ton of books in preparation (with diverse perspectives), even by a “Great Lectures” series course, and I talked with Muslim friends. That’s why I know that George W. Bush was right – Islam is a religion of peace. I know that many extremists and Islamophobes take quotes out of context (e.g., when the Quarysh were attacking Medina, Muhammad gave battle orders ‘kill the polytheists, lie if you are captured’ – almost all Muslim scholars see that as orders for that battle since Muhammad elsewhere developed “lower” jihad theory much like just war theory, and commanded respect for Christians and Jews, etc.) I integrate a bit on the history if Islam and the reasons for the problems of the Arab world in my intro course. I urge students to learn the truth and not to fall for cheap efforts to demonize or stoke fear.

          • Alan, I’m glad you accept that EMP is more likely to come from a country other than North Korea. But really, this is not a new issue or a sudden threat. One issue I’m believe in is the need to rebuild and strengthen our infrastructure – protecting the electrical grid is essential. You like to call names, but I think if you didn’t feel a need to be sarcastic and mocking you might find we agree on things and all that noise actually harms conversation.

          • You DO understand the point of this post yes?

            Let me help, clearly you don’t.
            It’s about how the government has directed the military to pay attention to the threat of global warming, but hasn’t directed them to take action in protecting the grid from an EMP.

            “You bring up global warming – a real danger much more likely than EMP — in a way that really doesn’t apply here. ”
            That is the point of the post – effort expended on global warming, rather than effort to protect from EMP

            Global warming will not kill 300 million Americans in under a year if it occurs.
            An EMP is estimated to kill 300 million Americans within a year from the instant it occurs, if it occurs.

            “One issue I’m believe in is the need to rebuild and strengthen our infrastructure – protecting the electrical grid is essential.”
            Really – good for you – where’s the order for the military to focus on that – contrasted with the order to focus on global warming?
            Where did you see the government taking action on it? Where are the orders to the Pentagon to compare to the orders to focus on Global Warming?

            “The directive, “Climate Change Adaptation and Resilience,” is in line with President Obama’s view that global warming is the country’s foremost national security threat”
            So, the White House thinks long term climate change is the foremost national security threat, but the electrical grid which is not prepared getting blown off line is NOT one of the foremost threats?

            Just s we understand the outcome if the the threats become reality –
            Global Warming is estimated to flood Obama’s favorite golf course on Martha’s Vineyard within the next 100 years
            an EMP is estimated to kill 300 million Americans in less than a year from the instant it occurs.

            Korea is an illustrative example of a possible threat source, not the be all, end all source of the threat.
            The recent increase in their nuclear activity, and ballistic missile activity increases their ability to pose a threat, so they make a timely example.

            The post is about a government policy and effective use of limited time and resources, given the comparative time frames and outcomes of two threats to national security.

            Whether YOU and I agree on EMPs or North Korea, or the color of the moon, isn’t the point of the post.

            And finally, just in case you don’t understand my attitude, after having you so subtly suggest over the last few years that
            – I live in mortal fear of North Korea, Obama, Islam and several other subjects…
            – can’t comprehend, or do research on subjects I’ve paid attention to for over 40 years
            – I am possibly a racist, or at the very least some sort of immigrant phobic mouthbreather
            – are not nearly as clever or bright as you (but of course, who could be, really….)

            I don’t think I’m much inclined to have a polite conversation with you on any particular subject, no matter how swell a guy you might think you are.

          • ” commanded respect for Christians and Jews,”

            Just like Jim Crow commanded respect for Negroes. As long as they knew their place as at best second class citizens, inferior to their masters. And we can still see this respect today, in Egypt, etc. where Copts and other Christian sectsare persecuted. And I note that you do not mention other religions, who are sentenced to death by Islam.

            ” Islam is a religion of peace”

            Which explains the four civil wars within the first 50 years of Mohammed’s death. And the Muslim conquests from Spain to India to the steppes of Russia.

          • timactual, one thing that the so-called Social Justice Warriors due that is wrong is to judge people of the past based on present cultural norms. So Jefferson, Wilson, and a whole host of people are deemed horrible because they lived according to the beliefs of their time. If you compare the way Muslims treated non-Muslims during the golden age of Islam to the way Christians behaved, the Muslims were far more tolerant and respectful – they were simply a superior culture at that time. The Ottomans ruined that and now the Islamic world has to recover – and I believe this process is already underway and unstoppable. Religion is what humans make it, and Islam, like Christianity, is a malleable faith that reflects cultural realities at a given time. The Arab world is overcoming being culturally stagnate during the time the West moved forward with massive change. That’s a very difficult transition. Attacking Islam as a whole is not only ridiculous, but shows a kind of bigotry.

          • Alan, your choice not to have a polite conversation with someone says more about you than me – having kids, I try to model for them how to behave towards others, and warn them that a lot of people throw out insults and attacks, and that they are showing their own insecurities and weaknesses. I tell them I too often have responded by lowering myself to their level and it NEVER turns out good. I think the internet is the hardest place to behave well because people just see words and imagine them with a particular tone (condescending, angry, etc.) and then developed a caricatured view of the other. If I’m going to engage someone, I’ll try to be proud of how I behave … and if I can’t, I’ll stay silent. Anyway, I’m still busy leading an alumni group through Italy (we’re in Florence now) so I’ll be silent – no more posts on any threads I’ve been involved in. So you can have the final word! I do think climate change is a greater security threat than EMP, but maybe we can discuss that another day.

        • Hey, since you felt free to comment on SJW – it was possible you were equally well briefed on EMPs.

          But “The Day After”, well I bow to your expertise on this subject. I mean apart from the differences in intent and purpose for a nuclear strike and an EMP.

          And I noticed that your argument consists of saying North Korea is sane….and international pressure and sanctions and such.

          whereas mine consists of highlighting the recent demonstrations that they aren’t much concerned with the international sanctions and scoldings you think ought to mean so much to them.
          And we all know their regime has consistently showed signs that it’s sane by any standard.

          Yep, you got me good.

          • I actually show the seen from “The Day After” in class to give a bit of a sense of EMP would be like. Yes, almost all experts consider the North Koreans and Iranians sane – indeed, those who try to paint them as crazy are dismissed. The reason – past behavior. Both regimes have been very rational in how they have pushed, backed down, known their limits, and focused on pursuing their goals. Both (esp. Iran) has been very Machiavellian in this regard. Being rational and being concerned with international sanctions are two different things. The Iranians weren’t concerned with sanctions until they started really damaging their economy – then he acquiesced to international pressure, at least on the nuclear front. But it is not a credible argument to say they aren’t sane, I suggest you read up on both regimes – both fascinating in a kind of evil way.

        • Alan, if you think the government is completely ignoring EMP you’re simply wrong, it’s been a concern and continues to be one. They can be concerned with multiple issues at one time, they haven’t dropped everything for global warming – that’s one security concern of many. I’m sorry if I have subtly suggested anything you found offensive (though to be sure you overtly claimed much worse of me – but that’s OK, I don’t mind, I take nothing personally). I’ll re-read what I post and check to see if it could be taken wrong. Don’t read too much into a critical statement (I can’t recall ever suggesting anything close to racism, but…if you perceived it, I’ll not argue). You can have the last word here. We just arrived in Roma after a LONG day of travel (about 20 hours after leaving, via car, bus, two planes and a train). I’ll throw a coin in the Trevi fountain for you! Ciao, and again, sorry if anything I said offended you.

          • “Being concerned” is not a mechanism that will provide hardening of the facilities.

  • Of course, should NoKo and/or Iran screw up such an attack, I’m sure they’re aware that they’d cease to exist as a functioning state as the retaliation from a real nuclear capable nation would be devastating.

    Under this President … ROFL

    • Pretend for a minute he has a spine….

      Oh, never mind – I couldn’t do it either.

  • For anyone who wants to know IF they are actually doing anything about a EMP danger – yes – sorta….
    And one should bear in mind the sun can produce a hell of an EMP, so it need not come from a nuclear device.
    Then again, if the sun does it, it won’t exactly be targeted at the US, so we’ll have the satisfaction of knowing everyone will be in about the same swamp at about the same time.

    The attached report is from the GAO – “Preliminary Observations on DHS Efforts to Address Electromagnetic Threats to the Electric Grid”
    One of the significant concerns is the loss of LPTs (see below DOE document reference) from a pulse – there has been an effort to develop a prototype transformer replacement that (one can assume) would be stored in EMP hardened locations which could be used to replace the transformers burned out by a pulse, called – RECX (See page 7 of the linked document)

    “RecX. In 2012, S&T partnered with industry to develop a prototype transformer that could significantly reduce the time to transport, install, and energize a transformer to aid recovery from power outages associated with transformer failures from several months to less than one week. S&T, along with industry partners, demonstrated the RecX prototype for 2.5 years, ending in September 2014. DHS reported that RecX proved to be successful in an operational environment and has the capacity to reduce the impact of power outages.”
    Well, that IS good.

    However in summary – “GAO’s preliminary work indicates that DHS has not effectively coordinated with stakeholders to identify critical assets or collect necessary risk information, among other responsibilities. GAO will continue to assess the issues in this statement as it completes”

    A DOE report can be found here – – which details information about Large Power Transformers (LPTs) – their manufacture, resources, etc.
    (When you’re looking through DOE doc, look at the documents you hit from the search because EMP frequently stands for Environmental Monitoring Plan….)

    You may feel inclined to reach the following conclusion after you wade through the reports by government, assuring someone else in government, that multiple government agencies are studying this problem –
    [Discussing the fate of electrical grid]
    Maj. Eaton: We have top men working on it right now.
    Indiana: Who?
    Maj. Eaton: Top… men.