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Why Trump would be a disaster

I was going to append “as a candidate”, then “as President”, etc.  But I realized that “as a candidate” he’d never reach the presidency .  His mouth would never give him the opportunity.  And should he somehow (hey, Obama did it) reach the presidency, it would be an unmitigated disaster.  The fact that in some polls he is running a “strong second” among GOP supporters says more about the rest of the GOP presidential field than it does about the validity of a Trump candidacy.

Why would he be a disaster?  Because, for the most part, he’s an ignorant loudmouth who doesn’t think his way through anything. He blurts half formed ideas.  Here’s an example where he is talking about OPEC:

Trump: Look at what’s going on with your gasoline prices. They’re going to go to $5, $6, $7 and we don’t have anybody in Washington that calls OPEC and says, "Fellas, it’s time.  It’s over.  You’re not going to do it anymore."  I don’t know if you saw yesterday, Saudi Arabia came out and said very strongly there’s plenty of oil.  "We’re going to cut back."  You know what cutting back means?  They’re going to drive up the price even further.

Stephanopoulos: So, what would you do to back up that threat?

Trump: Oh, it’s so easy George.  It’s so easy.  It’s all about the messenger.  They wouldn’t even be there if it wasn’t for us.  If it weren’t for us, they wouldn’t be there.  These 12 guys sit around a table and they say, "Let’s just screw the United States."  And frankly, the rest of the world.

Stephanopoulos: And so finish this sentence.  "If you don’t produce more oil…"

Trump: Look. I’m going to look ‘em in the eye and say, "Fellas, you’ve had your fun.  Your fun is over."

Wow.  That’ll have ‘em shivering in their boots.  Of course the fact that we import the vast majority of our oil and still haven’t taken the steps necessary to exploit our own resources is the real reason we’re in that shape and at the mercy of cartels like OPEC.  But he doesn’t address that.  Instead his idea is to be confrontational and threatening.

I think everyone who reads this blog realizes that there’s plenty of oil and natural gas out there to keep using it as fuel for the foreseeable future.  It’s about where it is, not how much there is anymore.   And as long as the majority of that oil remains in the control of the OPEC cartel, we can “look ‘em in the eye” till doomsday and it won’t accomplish a thing.   Not unless we’re willing to do the unthinkable and take over their oil fields.

Oh?  Well that would be perfectly fine with President Trump:

Trump: George, let me explain something to you.  We go into Iraq.  We have spent thus far, $1.5 trillion.  We could have rebuilt half of the United States.  $1.5 trillion.  And we’re going to then leave.  So, in the old days, you know when you had a war, to the victor belong the spoils.  You go in.  You win the war and you take it.

Stephanopoulos: It would take hundreds of thousands of troops to secure the oil fields.

Trump: Excuse me.  No, it wouldn’t at all.

Stephanopoulos: So, we steal an oil field?

Trump: Excuse me.  You’re not stealing.  Excuse me.  You’re not stealing anything.  You’re taking– we’re reimbursing ourselves– at least, at a minimum, and I say more.  We’re taking back $1.5 trillion to reimburse ourselves.

We’re going to reimburse ourselves for doing something we chose to do?   Hey, would the same thing apply to Libya?  And how do we “reimburse” ourselves for Afghanistan – get in the opium trade?

This guy is entertaining as hell, and we all may appreciate and enjoy his willingness to say things out loud a lot of us think about certain issues and situations (like turning to the Ron Paul supporters at CPAC and saying, “you know your guy can’t win).    But he’s serious about this nonsense above and you have to understand that and understand what that means.  He’s as naïve about foreign affairs as is the present occupant in the White House.  The problem with Trump is he’s not only naïve, he’s confrontational by nature.   He’s the other side of the same coin as Obama when it comes to foreign affairs and we would find ourselves neck deep in conflict if the guy ever got within sniffing range of the Oval office.

~McQ

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24 Responses to Why Trump would be a disaster

  • McQ[Trump]’s an ignorant loudmouth who doesn’t think his way through anything.


    So, you’re saying he would be perfect as a member of Congress?  How about Vice President?  Speaker of the House?

    The Donald - [W]hen you had a war, to the victor belong the spoils.  You go in.  You win the war and you take it.


    I heard this from him and cringed.  First of all, the idea that the United States goes to war for plunder went out after 1898: Uncle Sam is not a f*cking thief.  Second and more importantly, we weren’t at war with Iraq per se, but rather its murderous regime.  I suppose that’s not much of a distinction, but the idea was not to conquer Iraq in a war of US imperialism, but rather to get rid of Saddam and put the country back on its feet as a democracy.

    The DonaldIt’s all about the messenger.  They wouldn’t even be there if it wasn’t for us.  If it weren’t for us, they wouldn’t be there.  These 12 guys sit around a table and they say, “Let’s just screw the United States.”  And frankly, the rest of the world.


    While I think that “looking them in the eye and telling them, ‘It’s over’” isn’t exactly smart diplomacy, he has something of a point about “the messenger”: I’m pretty sure that the world would treat President The Donald – and, by extension, the United States – with rather more respect that they treat Captain Bullsh*t if for no other reason then The Donald would DEMAND it.  No bowing, scraping and apology tours from HIM.  Not sure if he believes in American Exceptionalism, but I’m DAMNED sure that he believes in “Trump Exceptionalism”.

    McQ[W]we can “look ‘em in the eye” till doomsday and it won’t accomplish a thing.   Not unless we’re willing to do the unthinkable and take over their oil fields.
    Oh?  Well that would be perfectly fine with President Trump…

    It appears to be perfectly fine with Captain Bullsh*t, too (so long as WE don’t get the oil, that is).  Why else are we bombing Libya?  Not saying it’s a good idea, you understand!

  • The fact that in some polls he is running a “strong second” among GOP supporters says more about the rest of the GOP presidential field than it does about the validity of a Trump candidacy.

    You’re right that the current GOP field is populated by not-so-desirable candidates.  But I think the fact that Trump polls so high says more about GOP primary voters than it does the field of candidates.
    I mean, why isn’t Pawlenty polling higher than he is?  Is it simply a matter of charisma, or lack thereof?

    Cheers.

  • More like Emperor Trump I – a disaster on the heels of a disaster.  Sure, for about 2 seconds it might seem good, that feel good thing when you react without thinking, strike back on instinct, instant gratification.  Then in the morning you have to look at yourself in the mirror and realize you were a scumbag.

    Rule of Law, doesn’t sound like Trump quite gets that part, and being as it’s kinda essential, it makes him no better than Obie.

     

    • And the Repelicans better come up with something that tops “The Donald” or we’re looking at another 4 years of Barack.

  • Donald Trump has been all over the map on multiple “issues,” but frankly I don’t see him lasting past the 2nd primary.
    As it is, I’m hoping that he will be a “lightning rod” since he has been going after Obama using the “low hanging fruit” that has been verboten, as defined by the lackeys in the media.
    I personally get great hoots and giggles out of Trump using the “birther” thing.  I personally am unconvinced of Obama’s birth status, which means it could be anything and I am ready to expect virtually anything.
    Afterall, who uncovered the Edwards’ Affair ?  .. and who denied there was any “there” there ?

    “Enquiring minds want to know”

    • Hawaii News Now caught up to Governor Neil Abercrombie and asked him to clarify what he meant when he said he was “there.”
      “Of course here in Hawaii,” Abercrombie said.
      “Not in the room?” we asked.
      “Let’s be serious. It is simply reprehensible to have this kind of conversation. Insulting someone’s mother and father speaks about the person who is doing it,” Abercrombie said.
      Abercrombie said Trump is questioning Mr. Obama’s birth place because Trump has a political agenda. Abercrombie questioned Trump’s credibility and said Trump has ruined lives by spending investors’ money on failed real estate ventures.
      “It is really difficult to accept inquiries from a serial bankrupt like Donald Trump,” Abercrombie said.

      Comic Gold !!!

      • Insulting someone’s mother and father speaks about the person who is doing it.

        Yeah, and a politician – hell, ANY adult – hiding behind his mother speaks volumes about him, too.

        I’m not a birther, but I wonder what is so embarrassing about Captain Bullsh*t’s birth certificate (and transcripts, for that matter) that it is so secret.

        • 1) White race
          2) Muslim religion
          3) Father listed as unknown or is listed as not Mr. Obama Sr.
          4) Possibly changed to Barry Soetoro.
          I think he doesn’t care about it now, but knows its a useful cudgel.

      • “Abercrombie said Trump is questioning Mr. Obama’s birth place because Trump has a political agenda.”

        Yeah, Abercrombie, he has no political agenda…..he’s a…oh wait, turns out he’s a politician, and one that originally implied he was sorta there for the birth, when ‘there’ wasn’t just in the same state.

        He also said he’d get that birth certificate out there for the public to see to resolve this once and for all, then admitted they couldn’t seem to find it, then suddenly stopped talking about it.   It’s all good heh?

  • Oil prices rise and fall on various market forces. They were at $150 a barrel a few years ago, went down to around $50-$60. Too high a rise usually results in a crash. BUT a little tough talk with the cartel, most of it state-owned and manipulated, is not out of order.

    On “seizing” Iraq’s oil, Trump is talking like a man with a paper a$$hole. But if that resulted in a deal with U.S. producers and the Iraqis that got the bloody oil out of the ground, then it might be worth the bizarre opening negotiating ploy. If Trump wants to be the ugly American, he’s only presenting the face popularly believed. (Behind the scenes, however, as Bernard Lewis pointed out, America is seen as an easy mark in the Middle East.)

    My attitude on Trump is to let it play out. Let’s see if he can merge his vernacular style with rational policy. Right now he’s forcing the rest of the field to confront its own sullen character while doing some much needed attacking of Obama.

    He’s a real estate man who dealt his way to the top in Manhattan, so he’s already had more experience with cutthroat reality than the rest of the GOP candidates put together. They can learn something from him. He needs policy. They need some balls. Meanwhile, he faces the same obstacles that the rest of them do: the primary voters. But his job right now is to tell Americans what they already know but need confirmed by someone who can see over the treetops of the economy: That Obama is a disaster and he has to go.

    And whatever you think of Trump, that, my friends, is honest work.

    • Well, it’s not like they can shame him into shutting up.  Which is worth something, and he’s a lightning rod for the press, they can’t leave him alone.

      He certainly makes a good stalking horse for Obama.

      • Trump is attracting support not because he is Trump. He’s attracting support because he is Trump and he’s going for Obama’s throat. And my reading on that is that he’s absolutely serious. He detests Obama, instinctively. I saw Trump go after Bush, and it wasn’t the same thing. It was more like an exasperated wave-off, like “enough already, this guy is lame.”

        With Obama he seriously hates the guy. It’s not clear to me that he even understands why. I think that Trump, from experience, knows when there’s a stinker in the room, and doesn’t concern himself with much beyond that realization, but just wants the guy out.

        I don’t think that Trump is a bad guy, but he would have to have a real Road to Damascus moment, where he realizes what it really means to be President of the United States, and come out the other side of that a far more sober and reflective person than he is now. Like about 50% more sober and reflective, and that’s a lot. But in the meantime that doesn’t mean he cannot do his patriotic duty and bring fire down on this rotten, sick thing in the White House.

        • “But in the meantime that doesn’t mean he cannot do his patriotic duty and bring fire down on this rotten, sick thing in the White House.”

          And that’s exactly what I’m counting on him to do.  He has the pulpit and the capital to at least force Obama and his ilk to spend time, effort, and cash on him that they might otherwise spend more profitably elsewhere.

          All he has to do is shore up the ‘reasonable doubt’ of a segment of the population that would normally ignore it altogether.

  • This moron, L. Donald Trump, is proposing to invade Saudi Arabia and Iraq to take their oil.  Yet we have already invaded an conquered such places as Lousiana, Florida, Utah and Alaska but not bothered with their oil.  We don’t need to fight wars for oil.  We need to drill, and mine, for our own.  Trump should go back to running casinos and beauty pagents.

  • Wish I had more time for form this but anyway

    And as long as the majority of that oil remains in the control of the OPEC cartel, we can “look ‘em in the eye” till doomsday and it won’t accomplish a thing.   Not unless we’re willing to do the unthinkable and take over their oil fields.

    That’s assuming the options are limited to either do nothing or invasion.  There are intermediate positions.  Primarily if its the Saudis driving this, for example, they are dependant on us for supplying a significant portion of their military.  And they probably will need that more now than ever.  We could also make greenlighting overtures to Iran to make the Saudis nervous.  There are inbetween actions that don’t require an invasion. 

    The problem is that they can’t be voiced publicly.  Much like Trump’s observation.

    I don’t know if you saw yesterday, Saudi Arabia came out and said very strongly there’s plenty of oil.  “We’re going to cut back.”  You know what cutting back means?  They’re going to drive up the price even further.

    Trump realizes that claim in bunk and I guess I have to give him credit for that.  The likely reason is that its a Big Middle Finger to the West (specifically Obama) for supporting the regime change throughout the Middle East.  But do they say that publicly, no.  They’re not going to.  Its makes it too hard to reverse on both sides if its official.  And it would require us to respond as well. 

    Similarly Trump isn’t going to enumerate the options.  Probably doesn’t have one specific in mind that wouldn’t be off the cuff like mine.  But assuming the worst possible option doesn’t seem called for, either. 

    • Yeah, so what wrong with taking a “lease” on the Iraqi oil fields to settle the trillion dollar debt owed the US for freeing the Iraqis from the oppressive dictatorship of Saddam Hussein? Sounds like the plan to me and it will lower prices at the pump almost immediately. If the Saudis don’t like it…who cares?

      I listened to Carl Rove tonight on Fox and wanted to puke…makes me wonder who he’s really working for, I think it’s the Saudi’s.

      • The section I was responding to was the section about OPEC and not Iraq. 

        We should have secured the oil field, development them, taken a cut of the production to fund their development (and some cut for providing security) and given the rest to the Iraqis.  As the Iraqis were able to take over securing parts or Iraqi, we should have turned over the oil fields. 

        The fields would have been producing much sooner, which is the real reason for Iraq’s slow recovery.  And it would have incentivised the Iraqi government and people to secure their country. 

  • the Republicans have found their footing with the “Trumpster.”  He gets it (done).  He plays well to the “Birthers” base as well as those that hate Obama.  I think he is a very viable candidate for the Presidential nomination, and in fact may beat Mini tru hands down.  No contest!!  Donald has the right idea about how we get oil that we need, I like that thinking and I believe many other folks do as well.  So, rather than talk down to him, lets embrace his mistakes for now and understand he will find his way.

  • Look, if we need to seize our enemy’s oil fields, let’s start with Canada.
    They are nearby, they speak English (well most of them do), and they have virtually no military.
    54′ 40″ or fight!