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Michael Moore again demonstrates the cognitive dissonance of the left

Even Michael Moore thinks that ObamaCare is a disaster.  And that’s saying something when a big government liberal (socialist?) finds a big government program to be  … well, just awful.  But, as Allahpundit over at Hot Air points out, what do you suspect Moore’s solution might be?

I was just thinking yesterday, “I wonder what a guy who supports CastroCare thinks we should do to fix ObamaCare?” If you can’t guess, read this. If you can, why bother? His big knock on O-Care is true enough — “affordable” care ain’t so affordable — but you already knew that, just like you already know what he thinks should be done about it. The solution togross mismanagement of the federal exchange, capricious deadline-shifting driven by political whim, and tens of trillions in unfunded Medicare liabilities is, obviously, a bigger role for government in health care. There’s no problem with liberalism that socialism can’t solve.

It doesn’t occur to  Moore that the problem is two-fold – government’s inability to run any large program efficiently as well as the fact that because of it’s inefficiency, we can’t afford his solution.  Not to mention that my health care isn’t any of the government’s business.  Then, of course, in Moore’s case, there’s the fact that he was snookered by CastroCare.

But it all comes down to a fairly basic problem.  Most on the left, Moore included, really don’t understand how an economy works, where money actually comes from and how markets make wealth possible.  Apparently they actually believe that the government “has money” or it falls from the sky or whatever.  Then there is this innate belief that big government is the solution to all our ills, despite the fact that they can’t point to a single example of where that is true and won’t acknowledge the fact that many of the problems we face today are a product of big government.

When you don’t understand how wealth is produced or how money is earned, you have a tendency to believe in underpants gnomes.  The second part of the process is always an unknown or a mystery, but you’re sure that the result will be a positive.  So you tend to believe in the fantasy of big government being both efficient and beneficial.

Be clear, I’m not saying that all government is bad or that there aren’t certain parts that are beneficial.  There are very limited aspects of government that I think are both necessary and beneficial.   But what we have today – this inefficient monstrosity that is in every area of our life run by an ossified bureaucracy more interested in its survival than serving the public and politicians who aid and abet that bureaucracy – is not at all necessary or beneficial.

Yet the Michael Moore’s of the world seem to think that the way you clean up a big government mess is by making government bigger.  Apparently in the underpants gnome world of liberals, there’s a point where big government, if expanded enough, suddenly becomes efficient.

Or something.

~McQ

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24 Responses to Michael Moore again demonstrates the cognitive dissonance of the left

  • Suppose someone proposed that all Americans had the right to have their life story filmed, and that all film-makers would be required to offer their services at a tightly controlled cost to fulfill that right. Plus they would have to fill out reams of paperwork to assure they had done the life story faithfully, and be subject to lawsuits if their film work turned out to be of low quality. They also would have to film everything according to thousands of pages of government standards, with criminal penalties if they violated them.

    What would Michael Moore think of that, I wonder?

    Yet, that’s exactly what he proposed for medical professionals: to spend their careers in de facto servitude, servicing a “right” that is supposedly possessed by others, at rigidly controlled prices, subject to complex and arbitrary regulations, while still being liable for any quality problems that occur – or in some cases merely imagined.

  • Hey, they understand this ecomonics stuff you know!  They’re not completely out of touch with markets!  They are well aware that somewhere in the Midwest there are organic farms growing gluten free whole wheat macaroni and tofu.
     

  • Michael Moore’s underpants gnomes – gaaahhh.

    • Ahhhhhhh – good Lord man!   That would make Fukushima seem like a jolly picnic!

  • Apparently in the underpants gnome world of liberals, there’s a point where big government, if expanded enough, suddenly becomes efficient.

    That, of course, is a real poser.  But I suggest it is not how big government has to be, but how good it has to be.  And they DO believe that government…despite all evidence to the contrary…CAN somehow be THAT good.  You just have to find the right people.

    Of course, there are no such people.  There are just people.

    The real head-scratcher for me is why the Michael-The-Bungalows of the world cannot seem to CONSIDER the possibility of allowing people to just make choices, learn from them, and make better choices?  Why not look at the market models of lasic eye procedures, plastic surgery, etc., and compare them with socialized or fascist economics health models (with which we have VAST…and terrible…experience)?

  • http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2014/01/06/daily-beast-writer-insists-war-poverty-worked

    Delusions are a necessary, foundational, element in the Collective.  If they have to be supported by terrible lies that hide real suffering and death…well…

    And we know all this, and have seen it over and over.
     

  • There is another problem that is not ever mentioned. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that a government run medical system as dreamt of by Jabba the Moore, would be efficient and effective. So what you have is a system in a certain configuration *now* and a proposed configuration you want to move it to… effectively now as well, or maybe next week. Just how do you move such a gargantuan economic system from one point in a state space to a vastly different one in a short amount of time? Well, if you don’t want the participants to experience pain and anarchy, you can’t of course. But this is a dirty little secret that “liberals” never deal with, what happens in between the *now* and their brave new world is going to piss of a whole heapin’ mess of people. That is also assuming that they have even proven that the desired state they want to achieve is even possible with everything else in physical reality. I think this is where you need a bit of that good old Mainean quantum magic, which as far as I can tell amounts to clicking your heels three times and wishing real hard.

    • But this is a dirty little secret that “liberals” never deal with, what happens in between the *now* and their brave new world is going to piss of a whole heapin’ mess of people.

      >>>> You’re wrong. They have dealt with it. “If you want to make an omlette you have to break a few eggs” is their attitude. Or, as the site’s resident fungus wrote: “good and necessary”
       

      • True, I guess, for sufficiently large values of “a few”! Or sufficiently limited values of “good”. But liberals love the newspeak, so a few really can mean “nearly everyone”. I wouldn’t call it dealing with it though, just plain old lying.

      • I’ve heard that a line something like …
        “I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me”
        … actually seems to work for some people.

        • Yes, it works for very stupid people. In particular those, who have been bamboozled into thinking that stated intentions matter more than actual results.

          I wonder why such people don’t go to witch doctors for their healthcare. “Yes, your brother died, but I really thought the powdered root of the bumba-bumba tree would cure his malaria. Yes, I know it turns out that bumba-bumba root is poisonous, but I had no way of knowing that. I meant well, so you can’t blame me for his death.”

          • But rejecting it makes you a racist .. or something

          • Or non-reality based.   Because we know all conservatives are superstitious whackjobs and liberals are all sciency and stuff.

  • Guarantee you, when that fat *!^@ starts to have health problems he’s not gonna go to wonderful people’s hospital in Cuban workers paradise.

    • Isn’t that what he did with education for his kid(s), weren’t they packed off to private schools?

  • Predicted.

    If the Right had a decent propaganda machine, it would have laid a trap for such suggestions to be a major liability.

  • I got caught up in a thread over at Volokh a while back when HHS proclaimed ObamaCare not to be a “healthcare program”.
    At first, I was confused till one of the other commenters pointed out that ObamaCare is a “financial program” associated with healthcare.
    That said, I really have to ask if Pizza-the-Moore has a problem with the “healthcare program” or the “financial program” ?
    As for CastroCare, the “financial program” is easy, the state pays (the people pay indirectly forever).  The “healthcare program” is riddled with systematic shortages of everything which leads to novel practices not used elsewhere, like using magnets for cancer therapy.  I’ve been told that the magnets are a great placebo.

  • Without disagreeing with the general sentiment, there’s an important exception to the rule about “government’s inability to run any large program efficiently” (emphasis mine)… which happens to be pertinent here, because that exception is Medicare.
    Compared to private insurers (and ignoring hand-waving from folks who wish it weren’t so) the overhead is lower, the outcomes are better, and the program as a whole is vastly more transparent. Private healthcare markets are crippled, as free markets, by their impenetrability to consumers when it comes to costs and consequences. At least half the problem with Obamacare is that it didn’t do anything significant to address that basic roadblock.
    There’s a real argument to be made over whether increasing general government involvement in our private lives would be worth expanding Medicare to global coverage, but in terms of the efficiency of the system, no one who accepts is willing to look at it without partisan blinders on can deny it’s more efficient than private insurance. There are many reasons for that, and there are other negative impacts that it has, but neither of those things negate the basic truth of it.

    • Medicare suffers about $60 billion in fraud yearly.  Hardly the model of an efficient program.

    • If it’s such a wonderful, efficient system, then

      1. why is it a major part of the federal debt bomb?

      2. why do doctors opt out of it? Perhaps because it pays them so little they can’t afford to take it?

      If your measure of efficiency is nothing more than how much you spend, then, yeah, Medicare is efficient – for the short term. But it spends less than other healthcare insurance channels because it is basically a federal price control system, and in the long term, those never work. You can’t screw doctors and pile up the debt forever, and expanding such a system to cover more people just makes the reckoning come faster.

    • Yeah, no.

      Plus, bullshit.  Medicare does NOT APPROACH being “efficient”.  Its losses from fraud alone are several times the TOTAL profits to the three largest private insurers (or were, prior to ObamaDoggle).

      You delusionally posit a cat that barks.  There ain’t one.

    • WASHINGTON — The time needed to process veterans’ disability claims shot up by nearly 40 percent last year despite years of effort by federal officials to streamline and shorten the process, records show.
      The times necessary to process education benefits and burial benefits, as well as the time needed to wind through the Department of Veterans Affairs appeals process, also increased in fiscal 2012.
      The disability-processing time is closely watched by Congress and veterans’ advocates as a measure of VA efficiency. In fiscal 2012, the average days to complete a VA disability compensation or pension claim rose to 262 days, up from 188 days in fiscal 2011, according to a recently completely VA performance report.
      The 262-day average is the highest that measure has been in at least the past 20 years for which numbers were available.
      The VA’s long-term goal is to get the processing time to an average of 90 days.

      .. but Obama promised to make it better …

      “We cannot expect our young men and women to serve in our armed forces if we are not making sure that when they come home, they are getting the treatment they deserve,” Obama said on the campaign trail in 2008.

    • In 2009, there was an article discussing the relative costs of private insurance vs Medicare.

      A family of four enrolled in a private plan paid a little under $1300 a year for unlimited coverage.  That same family cost a little under $2000 per year on Medicare.

      The “overhead” issue has always perplexed me.  If you talk to people who do billing and interact with providers, they will tell you the paperwork on Medicare and reimbursement times are greater and longer.  There is no incentive for the government to lower administrative costs so they lower payments to physicians.  The opposite is true for private insurers.

      I just keep thinking that if we had aggressively sought out the Medicare fraud, we would have had the funds to pay for all of the uninsured people the supposedly exist.  We didn’t do that because it would have made sense to actually go after the people breaking the law rather than going after law abiding citizens and increasing their costs.

      It is indeed a world turned upside down.