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Speaking Truth To Power? No Longer Welcome!

Someone at one of the protests recently yelled:

I’m sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.

Oh, wait – that was Hillary Clinton back when there was a Republican administration.

So, is the sentiment expressed by Clinton and so roundly applauded by the left -then – no longer applicable?

Is “speaking truth to power”, no longer approved or something to be desired?

This is the most sickening and disgusting aspect of the left’s reaction to the protests of average Americans against a government action with which they disagree.

What happened to “we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration?”

I heard no caveat in that declaration. She didn’t say “any administration but a Democratic administration”. Or “any administration but one trying to pass health care legislation”.

If the left actually believes in speaking “truth to power” and that Americans have the right “to debate and disagree with any administration”, what is all the name-calling and hyperventilating over real Americans doing precisely that?

If they actually believe that, what’s this?

Sen. Blanche Lincoln, Democrat of Arkansas, said she thought the protests against government health care at lawmakers’ town hall meetings were “un-American and disrespectful.”

And this?

“What we’re seeing right now is close to brownshirt tactics,” [Rep. Brian] Baird (D-WA) said Wednesday …

What is becoming increasingly apparent as America watches this train wreck unfold – and concerned Americans are characterized as enemies of freedom – is that all the previous talk about “dissent” and “patriotism” and “speaking truth to power”, not to mention a “right to debate and disagree with any administration”, was just words. They were a convenient weapon to use against their political enemy at the time. They gave the proper lip service to freedom and liberty and empowered the left’s dissent.

But when the occasion to actually apply those words and ideas presents itself, even if they happen to be on the other side of the debate, they toss them overboard like so much trash. No such empowerment to the rest of us – no sir.

With the left, politics and party have and always will trump freedom and liberty. Hopefully the brownshirted, un-American mobs protesting this unconstitutional hijacking of health care are picking up on that this time.

Hope and change.

~McQ

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45 Responses to Speaking Truth To Power? No Longer Welcome!

  • From the Leftwing Playbook:

    1. You believe in the First Amendment. You believe in the First Amendment. You must be allowed to say what you want, as protected by the US Constitution. However, if some damn rightwing bastard wishes to say something that we can tag as “hate speech” or which supports anything against the Obama administration, you are to protest them, shut them down and, if need be, use balpine hammers or some other object to break their skulls. We will not allow speech that does not agree with us.

    I will post more of this, and I have plenty. Why? Because I come from a family of leftists: my uncle worked for New York City and had a senior position with the Abe Beame mayorship; my great-grandfather nearly became the head of the New York Democratic Party (but he was shut out by an Irishman because he hated Jews and would never allow a Jew to run “his” party); I have a cousin who was one of Robert Kennedy’s senior aides in 1968, and was by his side the night RFK was assassinated; and, to top it off, my cousin was one of three attorneys for the American Communist Party in the 1930s and 1940s, and was wanted by the US government for sedition. Doe anyone want that ancestry and be a conservative at the same time? How about being a Republican who supported George W. Bush in two elections? One of my aunts called me a fascist!

    • That’s funny about your aunt. I hope you explained to her that socialism is a form of fascism and bought her a copy of The Road to Serfdom.

      • “That’s funny about your aunt. I hope you explained to her that socialism is a form of fascism and bought her a copy of “The Road to Serfdom.”

        Nah – my two Aunts compete to see who is more of a dimwit. (My Aunt Harriet, the older of the two sisters of my father, says she likes to go dancing to see “all the colored men.” And she thinks I am out of touch.) Plus, she dyed her hair pink and she looks like a 80 year old flamingo. My other Aunt has the IQ of a sack of hair.

    • Goodness, I hope you prepare your own plate at family get-togethers! ;)

      My family is split, about 50-50. Occasionally we’ll play “spoons” when everyone’s together…it’s always bloody, to the point guests are afraid to enter the game. 

      Brown

      • “Goodness, I hope you prepare your own plate at family get-togethers!”

        There are no family get-togethers. They live on the other side of the country, and my father doesn’t speak to either of his sisters anymore. Who wants to speak to people like that? My cousin Sharon told my father all the time how proud she was to vote for Obama. That’s the last time I wanted to talk to her.

        “My family is split, about 50-50. Occasionally we’ll play “spoons” when everyone’s together…it’s always bloody, to the point guests are afraid to enter the game.”

        No split here – my family, from years ago to now, are full on liberal loons who could never understand why I admired Ronald Reagan and worked for George H.W. Bush in 1988. (Yes, I was on his campaign staff.) They all thought I was crazy. Not crazy at all – just educated, unlike nearly all of them. Except for my uncle Norman, who worked for Abe Beame in New York in the 1970s. He was very smart, but his liberalism was his downfall. (I won’t go into how, but take my word for it.)

        My great-grandfather Philip Davidson walked the precincts for FDR in the 1930s, and could have become the head of the Democratic Party in New York, but an Irishman who picked the leaders hated Jews, and passed my great-grandfather over. He never got over it. (Why Jews continue to vote for Democrats is beyond me. I have never received one ounce of anti-Semitism in the GOP in 20+ years of work in the party.)

        • “Why Jews continue to vote for Democrats is beyond me.”

          That’s been an ongoing mystery to me as well. I can’t fathom it.

  • Protesting against the Iraq/Afghanistan war in the most obnoxious manners possible which gives moral support to the enemies our soldiers are engaged in on the field of battle is acceptable. But protesting against a highly unpopular domestic agenda, well, that is just simply off limits.

  • From a political science perspective, the comparison to the brown shirts makes some sense.  It’s a small group organizing to disrupt meetings and try to stop the opposition.    The tactics against health care reform are based mostly on fear mongering and lies.    And, to be sure, similar tactics were used in protesting the wars by the left.   One difference is, the left was protesting against killing people needlessly, while the right is protesting against giving people better health care.   :-)

    • From a political science perspective, the comparison to the brown shirts makes some sense. The fact that many of them are grannies in flipflops is completely beside the point, and I don’t know why you bring it up. See, we wise leftists with our mastery of post-modern holy writ get to define what terms mean, and we have decided that “brown shirts” are a small group organizing to disrupt meetings and try to stop we wise leftists from doing what’s right and good and proper.

      The tactics against health care reform are based mostly on fear mongering and lies. I decree it. And I don’t have to come out with any facts or logic or links or anything like that to back up what I say because I’m a wise leftist with godlike powers of political science, and you thick righties just have to accept the superiority of my PhD enabled mind.

      You on the right are just lying, lying, lying about healthcare, while we wise leftists are being so good and true and honest. And the fact that Obama assured people on camera of his unwavering support for single payer in 2003 and 2007, and now says his public option isn’t a step toward single payer does not mean he’s a liar. It just doesn’t. Because of the definition stuff I discussed before. He’s good and pure and honest, and he would never lie, and his Christlike visage will lead us all to socialist salvation. As long as we get to push aside nasty, brown-shirted righties who have the nerve to question our purity and honesty.

      And, to be sure, similar tactics were used in protesting the wars by the left. Except, of course, they were justified. One difference is, the left was protesting against killing people needlessly because all wars are icky and needless, while the right is protesting against giving people better health care. And Obamacare will definitely give people better health care because I and Obama decree it. So stop with your comparisons to Britain and Canada and France, because they are just irrelevant. Obamacare will be better, and if you don’t see it, you’re a mean and vicious and dense rightie. Just like Sarah Palin, and those corruption charges I talked about are going to come out any day now, you just wait! And I wasn’t either smearing her with no evidence, so stop saying that!!

    • Gee, Scott, even you can’t believe what you just wrote.  If you believe Obama when he says he can cover more people, give abetter health care, andt  a lower cost, then you need to think through some basic economics and the historic inefficiency of government programs.  No Scott, nationalized health care will result in higher costs and less care.  That will result in many more deaths than Iraq.  Tell your granny not to sick.

      You might want to check out this graph by “Ezekiel Emmanuel MD, Rahm Emmanuel’s brother, who is Barack Obama’s “Special Advisor for Health Policy”.   Here is a reference:

      http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6057&posts=5&start=1
      Scroll down to the graph.   Emanuel advocates spending the least of our medical funds on the people who most need it.
      We can create a new Christmas song: “Grandma got run over by Obama’s nationalized health care”.

      Rick





      Rick

    • “The tactics against health care reform are based mostly on fear mongering and lies.”

      Yep, Erb, it is a lie that Obama was videotaped saying that he wants private insurance to be abolished, but that it will take 10, or 15, or 20 years to do it.

      Yep, Erb, it is a lie that Barney Frank said that this little health care fiasco dressed up as legislation will eventually lead to “single payer.”

      Yep, Erb, it is a lie that rationing will be forced on the seniors and young people and the sick and handicapped to pay for illegal aliens.

      Yep, Erb, it is a lie that the Democrats make sure that abortions are paid for in this pile of Orwellian garbage.

      Yep, Erb, it is a lie that Obama’s “Death Panel” (I like Sarah Palin’s description of it) will tell people what kind of care they can an cannot get.

      Yep, Erb, it is a lie that Obama is chopping $550 billion out of Medicare to pay for his little Marxist experiment.

      Yep, Erb, it is a lie that the more people hear about this pile of smelly crappola that has been passed by three committees in the House and 1 committee in the Senate, the more they oppose it.

      Yep, Erb, it is a lie that people oppose Obama’s job on health care, 39% in support and 52% in opposition.

      Yep, Erb, it is a lie, and an outright one, that Obama made sure that his lawyer friends that stuffed his campaign full of money are protected from raking in billions from lawsuits by the Democrats in Congress.

      Yep, Erb. It is all one big, fat, disgusting lie that Obama and the Democrats are trying to foist a massive, bloated, expansive, destruction, horrific, pathetic, repulsive pile of manure on the American people all dolled up as “health care reform” when it is neither reform nor does it fix health care. It is a DISASTER for this country, and it must be opposed by everyone with a voice and an arm to wave.

      Yep, Erb. Keep living in your little fantasy world. Let me tell you one thing, however: your Democrats in Congress, not to mention The Clown™ running the show from the White House, are becoming about as popular as syphilis. And in November, you will see how unpopular when two states that went for Obama – namely Virginia and New Jersey – will elect Republican governors. And in November 2010, watch as Nancy Pelosi and her good friends are sent packing back to the minority after just four years of major wreckage of this government. The only question I have, or anyone has, is how many seats the GOP will pick up. Wanna guess? My bet right now is on 40. I will probably change that, but right now +40 for the GOP puts them into the majority by 5 votes.

      Of course, if Nancy Shmancy and Harry “Searchlight” Reid continue to shove this kind of crap down our throats, that will be +50 or +60. But, that is fine by me. Anything to take power away from those two megalomaniacs.

    • From any perspective, the comparison to the brown shirts is absurd. However, it’s a tactic of the left: we shut you down with violence and intimidation, then hypocritically complain when you righties are merely exercise your right to free speech. Heads we win, tails you lose.
      The arguments for health care reform are based entirely on fear mongering and lies (e.g. “50 million uninsured” and “bankruptcies from medical bills”). To be sure, similar tactics are always used in whatever we leftists want to protest. We’ll say that you’re killing babies, then accuse you of being against giving people better health care. We don’t care if we lie, just that we get the job done. Obama read Saul Alinsky’s book, and so did I.

    • Boring, repetitive, and totally predictable. You are rapidly losing your amusement value, which seems to be your only reason for existence.

    • Someone is posting under Erb’s name, right? No one can be this sincerely stupid, can they?

    • Erb, you are the most dishonest, manipulative, obfuscatory, hypocritical political shill I have ever come across on the Internet, which is saying quite a lot. Here is another good example of your systematic intellectual dishonesty (which, coincidentally, is the only word related to your actions that can be qualified with the adjective “intellectual”).

      I have little doubt you fully realize the comparison between people expressing their opinions to their elected officials and the S.A. of the Nazi Party is an utterly absurd analogy, but you cannot bring yourself to admit it because you see it as beneficial to your ideology. In my opinion, that insidiousness is far more repugnant than believing the comparison out of ignorance.

    • Erb, you say: “[T]he comparison [between my ideological opponents and] the brown shirts makes some sense.”

      You then say: “The tactics … are based mostly on fear mongering and lies.”

      But, the characterization of political opponents as Nazis is not a fear-mongering tactic, right?

  • You assume that health care will actually be better under the government.  You are an even bigger fool than we imagined.
     

    • You just made me think of Jon Lovitz’s character “Master Thespian”. Erb must have been the inspiration for that.

  • The tactics against health care reform are based mostly on fear mongering and lies.

    the right is protesting against giving people better health care

    After reading so many of your arguments where you do this, I’m still not sure if you do it on purpose, if your logic is lacking, or if you really don’t see what you’re doing. In any case, for posterity, protests are against the government’s plans for health care and the protestors are bipartisan. Most if not all would love to see health care improve. You’d have to define “giving people” health care for me to understand it, though I’m pretty sure you meant it exactly how it sounds.

    • His logic is lacking, but it’s on purpose. Erb is the ultimate single issue voter, so much so that it carries into not just his blog posts here; but also into his teaching. His only concern is that Americans should never kill people from another country. He will ignore all facts and reason, tell any lie, if he thinks it will support his one issue. It’s impossible to know what Erb really feels about government health care, maybe he knows it will be bad for America, but if that lessens our ability to kill people on foreign soil he’s all for it. The man has absotulely no professional integrity, so I doubt he’s about to start showing any here.

    • Erb often questions the motivations of his ideological opponents in nasty and false ways like this. The funny part is that he simultaneously trys to play the part of the objective observer and fair debater who is above it all. 

      Pointing this out to him won’t do any good, because he’s too either too stupid or too narcissistic (or both) to see the contradiction. He never comes clean when he comes out with this kind of slimy, underhanded argument, either because he’s unable to see that he’s done so (which would be his stupid side) or because he just can’t bring himself to admit what scum he is (his narcissistic side).

      • Erb often questions the motivations of his ideological opponents in nasty and false ways like this. The funny part is that he simultaneously trys to play the part of the objective observer and fair debater who is above it all.

        He’s claimed to be Vulcan-like, and now I know it is true…  Granted, it’s a mildly-retarded Vulcan, but close enough for government work, eh?

  • If the likes of Blanche Lincoln and Brian Baird get reelected, these tactics will be vindicated.

    It is that simple.

  • Again Erb, I hope this health reform passes just so I have the pleasure of seeing you and your family forced into the suicide chamber once you get too sick to be worth saving.

  • sharkIf the likes of Blanche Lincoln and Brian Baird get reelected, these tactics will be vindicated.

    That’s the scary part.  It seems to me that the dems are engaging in a “go for broke” strategy because it could be argued that their power base is past its peak (declining union enrollment, growing alternative media, less segregation and institutional racism in the country) and they know that they’ll never have another chance like this again.  So, they’re trying the most naked power grab in our history.  If it works, they’ll be in power for generations to come.  If not… well, some people like to watch the world burn.

  • This post has been linked for the HOT5 Daily 8/9/2009, at The Unreligious Right

  • From a political science perspective, the comparison to the brown shirts makes sense. It’s a small group of Democrats organizing to try to stop the opposition. The tactics for the proponents of health care reform are based mostly on fear mongering and lies. And, to be sure, similar tactics were used in protesting the wars by the left. One difference is, the left was protesting against anything proposed by a Republican, while the right is protesting against the destruction of the worlds best health care system.

  • ACORN and SEIU are Obama’s SA.

  • Oh, wait – that was Hillary Clinton back when there was a Republican administration.
    Wanna hear her say it herself? It’s right here.

  • “It’s a small group organizing to disrupt meetings and try to stop the opposition.”
    NOTE TO ERB, THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT THE OPPOSITION ANYMORE. THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT AND THE PROTESTORS ARE THE OPPOSITION.
    Thus, by your own definition, the union thugs and bussed-in activisits are the brownshirts….oops, what does that make Obama?
    By the way, Anyone see the news where the Calif. government shut down a kids lemonade stand because she did not have a business license?
    There was a conservative kids book written about how the liberals would regulate a lemonade stand eventually. That was supposed to be a parable, but it ended up being fact.

  • Whatever side one takes in a cause, we’ll move forward only by holding the tension of opposing views with respect.

    • Wrong. If someone desires to take away the freedom from and control the lives of me, my family, and my descendents, they deserve nothing but contempt. I don’t care what their motivations are. I will give that view no respect whatsoever  because it is profoundly immoral.

      Under a freedom-oriented system, the other side is free to self-organize, through persuasion of interested parties, into any system they desire. So under my rules, they can do what they want. Under their rules, I am denied that privilege. I am *required* to do things their way.

      That lack of symmetry means I do not need to treat their outrageous views with respect. That’s been tried, for about 75 years now. What we’ve gotten out of it is an ever closer approach to a socialistic, big-government, tyrannical nanny state. No more. It’s time to stand up from what we  believe in and stop compromising with those who would enslave us.

  • Again Erb, I hope this health reform passes just so I have the pleasure of seeing you and your family forced into the suicide chamber once you get too sick to be worth saving.


    Something tells me Erb is government enough to avoid having to take this plan.

  • The US spends the highest percentage of GDP on health care, our system now is expensive.  Not only that, but demographically we’re about to hit a time bomb.    The goal of health care reform is to reduce cost, it’s a necessity.   Health care is always rationed.  Right now the market rations it, meaning the wealthy get the best, the poor now get government supported health care, but the middle class and lower middle class are often in dire straights.   Insurance for a family of four is predicted to be $25,000 by 2016.   We will get major health care reform and government involvement in the next decade, if not now, because it will be necessary.  The current system is about to implode.

  • Playing old tapes and pretending that is current thought is a pathetic lie.  Cherry picking quotes and making it sound like it’s gospel truth is despicable fear mongering.   Over 70% of the people want health care reform.    But polls say different things.   And of course abortions should be paid for — it is a legitimate, legal, procedure recommended by physicians.    It would be absurd not to pay for them because some people want to force their moral beliefs on others.   Those are probably the same people who don’t want gays to marry because they can’t stand people living according to beliefs different than their own.   Yeah, a lot of what you write are lies, and I hope Pelosi and Reid can shove this down your throat…ultimately, you’ll be better off too.   Here’s some facts:  Deconstructing Right Wing Lies on Health Care Reform.

  • Comparisons to the Nazis are valid.   I also had a post recently “Humanizing Hitler” where I argued that when people make the Nazis and Hitler out to be obvious monsters, they are ignoring that at the time they seemed to make perfect sense, and that many today use the same tactics.   It’s wrong to pretend that to compare tactics to what the Nazis did (I’ve also compared Obama’s tactics to Hitler’s in the post “Triumph of Will”, so I’m bi-partisan that way) somehow means people are in support of the National Socialist agenda.   Oh, and Carter is being vindicated by history.   I suspect in the future students will study him and wonder “why did the nation reject him and follow the borrow and spend Reagan, leading to crisis, or even collapse.”  I doubt history will be so kind to Bush the Younger.

  • Enslave you?  (Eyes rolling).   Sheesh, keep up that looney talk, it only helps show that the right is a tad bit paranoid.   The worst the government does is offensive wars, like Iraq, where they destroyed lives (have you looked at PSTD cases in the US military, not to mention the destruction of lives and families in Iraq).  That’s far worse than having a health care system.  Yet you support mass killing and get paranoid over health care.  That’s really a tad bizarre.

  • First it’s enslavement from Billy, now “suicide chambers?”   Yet you supported mass killing and war that destroyed lives of US military people (PSTD, high suicide rates, spousal abuse, lost businesses yet) and massive killing of foreigners.    How can your brain handle such obvious contradictions.  And you call me names?   I think a lot of you are calling names because I show just how shallow your arguments are, and how hypocritical they are.  I do it with logic — and the response is shrill, insulting, and a bit over the top.   But it is inspiring my current research, so thanks for that!

  • Sneaking back in to get the last word, offering lame “I decree it” answers to criticisms, and distorting what others say to set up strawmen responses. Typicaly scummy Erb.

    WHY DO YOU COME HERE? You talk about your “current research,” as if we were a bunch of monkeys you’re observing. You’re lying to yourself, Erbie. You come here because YOU CAN’T HELP IT. You need to have someone to talk down to and feel superior to. You’re pathetic.

    And everyone here knows it. There are two possibilities. Everyone here, who generally seem to be pretty smart and don’t insult anyone else they way they do you, are really stupid and mean, while you’re the shining knight, or… you’re are stupid and clueless as the people here say. Hmmm…… A bunch of seemingly smart people on one side, one guy who is a deserter from reality and makes statements that a two year old can take apart on the other. Tough choice on who to believ, huh?

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