Skeptical Americans Continue To Say No To Democratic Health Care Plan
Rasmussen reports:
Just 27% of all voters agree with the senior House Democrats [Pelosi/Hoyer] that if the health care reform being considered by Congress is passed, it will mean more patient choice. Forty-nine percent (49%) disagree and do not believe more patient choice is likely, and 24% are not sure.
Among voters who have health insurance, the majority (52%) says the plan, if passed, will not mean more patient choice, while 25% say it will.
Democrats like to blame that disparity in support on “misinformation” circulating out there as well as “un-American” protesters keeping them from getting the “facts” out at townhalls.
But, in actuality, their “facts” and their message has been getting out. The president has held three “townhalls” not to mention an op/ed in the NY Times in which he has, without interruption, been able to lay out both the message and the Democrats version of the facts. And the polls continue to tank.
That’s because the message is one that most don’t believe. That’s primarily because a majority of Americans believe the “facts” upon which it is based are dubious at best. For instance, as Peter Ferrara points out:
At his town hall meeting on health care on Saturday in Colorado, President Obama told the audience:
“I just want to be completely clear about this; I keep on saying this but somehow folks aren’t listening — if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan.”
That is, unless your health care plan is Medicare Advantage — the private insurance options that almost one-fourth of seniors have chosen for their coverage under Medicare. Republicans enacted this choice for seniors, and many, many seniors have chosen one of these private insurance options because they get better benefits from it than from standard Medicare.
President Obama’s health plan targets these Medicare Advantage private plans for $177 billion in cuts in what he misleadingly calls “subsidies”and “sweetheart deals for insurance companies that don’t make anybody any healthier.”At a minimum, these cuts will force these plans to cut back on the benefits they provide to seniors. Or the Medicare Advantage plans may just go out of business altogether, dumping all the seniors who have made that choice because they think they are getting a better deal from those plans.
Seniors know what that means and are rejecting the glib assurances from Obama that he isn’t really saying what he’s saying.
And that rejection of the president’s mantra doesn’t even touch on the effect of the ‘public option’ which various experts say would see 10 to 80 million shifted into it from their present plans.
If one of the targets of this plan is private insurance companies and the goal is to “keep them honest”, it doesn’t take Stephen Hawking to figure out that the chances are very good your private plan may go away.
Back to seniors. They’ve also seen through Obama’s assertions, given as “fact”, that there won’t be any reduction in Medicare benefits:
In these town halls, President Obama has repeatedly denied that his health overhaul scheme includes any cuts in Medicare. But besides slashing Medicare Advantage, the Congressional bills cut over $300 billion more from the program, which the Congressional Budget Office has scored. When arguing that his health overhaul is paid for, he wants credit for these cuts. But when challenged, he wants to deny before the whole country — in broad daylight — that he is doing it. I can’t recall any precedent for such a presidential disconnect from reality.
The disconnect comes from his unfamiliarity with the bill and the fact that he’s turned over the responsibility for it to Congress. Consequently he is out touting something that doesn’t exist. He may actually desire that Medicare not reduce benefits, but that’s not what the bill says. Those “savings” have got to come from somewhere, and since the administration loves to assert that Medicare is so much more efficient than private insurance, that leaves the benefits area from which to reap those savings.
Again, you don’t have to be a MIT grad to figure that out. And seniors have figured it out. That’s they’re rejecting Obama’s assurances.
Obama also continues to claim that overall this plan will save health care dollars, and, magically, eliminate the unfunded future liability in Medicare.
In Colorado on Saturday, President Obama suggested that his health overhaul scheme would “bend the cost curve,”reducing “health care inflation”so much that the enormous long term deficit of Medicare (unfunded liability: $89 trillion) would be eliminated! Otherwise, he said, “We’ll either have to cut Medicare, in which case seniors then will bear the brunt of it, or we’ll have to raise taxes, which nobody likes.”
But the CBO has not confirmed anything like that. What it has said, again, is just the opposite, that Obama’s health plans will not reduce costs, but, rather, will increase federal spending by close to a trillion dollars.
Since, as is pointed out, the CBO said nothing of the sort and, in fact, said precisely to opposite, what does that leave us? Well once you know that CBO said this plan would increase cost, we are left with the reality of Medicare cuts and tax increases.
That’s right: “…cut Medicare [benefits], in which case seniors then will bear the brunt of it, or we’ll have to raise taxes…”, or both. The cuts in Medicare, as mentioned, are already in the plan. Taxes going up is inevitable if this gets passed. He’s asserting a fantasy based on a lie and using the Medicare cuts and tax increases as a scare tactic to get the fantasy passed.
And of course, finally, after having this officially denied by AARP, he continues to say, at two townhalls after the denial, that AARP is “onboard” with their plan. That continued unfounded assertion is costing AARP thousands of members quitting in disgust.
In other words, it isn’t that the message isn’t getting out there, but that most Americans don’t agree on who is doing the mischaracterizing. It appears they believe that it is the Democrats and the president who are attempting to sell a program which they are mischaracterizing as something it is not.
In return for their refusal to be duped, Americans are being called all sorts of names by the hired help. It is an amazing spectacle in which the servant calls the master names because the master doesn’t like the servant’s crack-pot ideas and doesn’t believe their talking points.
The irony, of course, is much like the Republicans when they lost the Congress in 2006, the Democrats have yet to figure this out. They’re lost in the belief that their problem lies in messaging and if they just do a better job of delivering it all will be fine. What they don’t realize is the message is out there and it has been rejected.
Most voters (54%) now say no health care reform legislation this year would be better than passage of the bill currently working its way through Congress. This does not mean that most voters are opposed to health care reform, but it does highlight the level of concern about the specifics now being discussed in Washington.
The message from the majority? Slow down, there is no rush, drop this mess and rethink it. If Democrats don’t listen and ram something through, they do so at their own peril and there will be consequences.
~McQ













Lincoln’s addage has finally caught up with our President and the Democratic party – “you can fool all the people some of the time…”.
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What our shiney new President forgets is he’s no longer playing to his Illini constituents, he’s playing to the whole country – the seniors have seen a lot…Eisenhower, Kennedy, Vietnam, Johnson, our non crook Nixon, stumbling Jerry Ford and that grinning loser from Georgia.
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Rahm and Barry think they’re smarter than the collective country, and for a while appeared to be, more because we were world weary, with a media and left wing cheer squad that deluged us with stories of a devestated economy (as opposed to now when a flea farts and they sounds trumpets and drums heralding the great economic recovery!), a ‘failed’ war in Iraq and a nation hated by virtually the entire world because of our evil genius, chimpanzee idiot, leader George W. Bush.
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“I keep on saying this but somehow folks aren’t listenin”…on the contrary, yes they are.
Obama is in the process of losing the Seniors. Once they are gone, they won’t come back. To paraphrase a line by one senior I knew … “They have forgotten more than Obama will ever know” … but once they dislike you, they never forget that.
Of course, having Nancy Pelosi, the “face” of the Democratic Party, telling the “Greatest Generation” (and beyond) that they are “un-American” doesn’t really engender any sympathetic ears.
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It’s like listening to college kids lecture you – you’d understand if only you weren’t so stupid – how persuasive – not buying that? – then you’re a racist – sold!! Actually listening to Obama make an ass of himself whenever he’s challenged by a question is priceless. Look at the USPS! That’ll do it!
When did conservatives start liking Medicare? It is a “public plan,” you know. Also, it is the largest public plan in the country. Also, it has crowded out private competition. Finally: Did you know that AARP gained 400,000 new members and got 1.5 million renewals during the same time period? Probably not. http://dissentingjustice.blogspot.com/2009/08/cbs-news-continues-misleading-reporting.html
Since when do you think Conservatives or conservatives ever did like Medicare?
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
“Also, it has crowded out private competition.”
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Sounds like the general concern for a National Health care plan…
So are you for, or against? – we’ll sound boots and saddles here to call out those who will defend Medicare and see how many fall in shall we? Pretty sure it’s gonna be a quick roll call.
looker – “… we’ll sound boots and saddles here to call out those who will defend Medicare and see how many fall in shall we?”
Hey, *I* like Medicare. I mean, seriously: what’s not to like? You get Uncle Sugar wasting tons of cash to stiff doctors into providing care for seniors who are terrorized every election cycle by threats that the other side is going to cut off their benefits and they’ll have to eat cat food in order to have enough money to pay for their meds. Again: what’s not to like?
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WTF? When does describing why seniors don’t like the plan and don’t believe what Obama’s saying translate into “conservatives like Medicare”?
And AARP would have gained those members anyway – and that’s according to AARP. So that’s not news. The news is they lost 60,000 because those members weren’t happy with AARP.
DON’T TURN OFF THE LIGHT, DON’T LOOK BEHIND YOU, BECAUSE “THE MAN” IS BACK and he’s scary as heck, http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/2009/08/blog-post_18.html
I’m waiting for the poll question …
By attempting to pass health care reform quickly, were the President and Congress trying to hoodwinked and/or bamboozled the nation ?
I believe that conservatives are pointing out that Medicare is bad enough, there’s no reason to repeat the mistake while keeping the original one. However, it bears noting that seniors who rely on Medicare are objecting to having the funding for it cut, especially since they spent their working lives paying into it, and as it is it doesn’t cover all of their needs. What’s to like?
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And speaking of misleading reporting, wouldn’t AARP have gained those new members and those renewals anyway? The more important question is– does AARP typically lose 60,000 members in a given month?
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