Criminalizing “Choice”
What were the twin goals President Obama’s reform given in his speech to a joint session of Congress? Oh, yeah, he wanted there to be “competition” so the consumer had a “choice”. That’s become a Democratic talking point now.
But choice, apparently, doesn’t extend beyond the faux choice of the public option. If you choose not to buy insurance, your choice is then reduced to a fine or jail or perhaps, both.
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) had a question about what would happen if a person refused to pay the $1,900 IRS tax/fine levied for not doing so.
He received a hand written note from the Chief of the Joint Committee on Taxation, Thomas Barthold:
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it “Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold.”
The banality of totalitarianism.
Hope and change in the land of the free.
~McQ
Barack Hussein Obama
He said that all must lend a hand [?]
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!
He said we must be fair today
Pay up or you’ll be locked away
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
Health insurance must not fail
if you won’t join you’ll go to jail!
mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
“Are there no prisons! Are there no workhouses!”
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Not at all unexpected.
I’ve been wondering why Obama’s plan for “choice” must be implemented by government. As he described it, couldn’t the same choice be a non-profit insurance company? There seem to be plenty of Americans concerned with healthcare for the uninsured, setting it up should be easy. He could call for influencers to get it running, like asking an existing insurance company to help – Progressive is an obvious choice. Obama could fix this “healthcare crisis” with a conference call, couldn’t he?
(Yes, I realize what he proposes is a sham. But if for the people who believe it, why not bypass all the selfish Tea Partiers and Republicans and set up a non-profit? Think of all the celebrities and intellectuals who would volunteer to support it!)
Democrats in Baucus’ Senate Finance Committee voted to keep the bill secret from the public until it’s law and there’s no chance to improve or reject it. And we’re not supposed to wonder what’s in the $900 billion legislation.
Most ethical and transparent Congress EVAH!
There’s nothing constitutional about this. These, f*uckers are enemies of the United States. You want to talk about domestic terrorism?
Choice? We haven’t had any choice for some time now. You cannot buy a health insurance plan that you want, that fits your needs. You can only buy a plan that state insurance bureaucrats chooser for you. And,after listening to CSPAN, I hear that any public option plan will also be a plan chosen for us by government. Who knows, though, I may someday want sex reassignment surgery, although I doubt that even then I will need the pregnancy coverage.
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There is nothing totalitarian about mandating that people have insurance. Sheesh, sometimes you’re really over the top. So all of the rest of the advanced industrialized democracies in the world are totalitarian? I mean, get real!
Erb argument #1) Everyone else is doing it, Mom. It must be OK!
Erb argument #2) Every democracy in the world equally values the liberty of its citizens. I mean, come on! They call themselves a “democracy,” right? You can’t get more free than using that special word in your name!
Scott, shouldn’t you be against this, too? How does the federal government mandating that citizens buy insurance go with your principle that states should decide healthcare issues for themselves?
There is nothing totalitarian about mandating that people have insurance.
…..Sure there is
Sheesh, sometimes you’re really over the top. So all of the rest of the advanced industrialized democracies in the world are totalitarian?
…..Instead of erecting a strawman, you should phrase it as “so all of the rest of the advanced industrialized democracies in the world impose this totlarian policy on their citizens?” To which I answer, so what? I still believe in American exceptionalism, and not the liberal need to follow the herd.
I mean, get real
…. Sod off.
Erb: “There is nothing totalitarian about mandating that people have [health] insurance.”
Other than the fact that nationalized health care of one kind or another is virtually holy writ in every totalitarian program there’s nothing totalitarian about it.
Governments exist, in that familiar American program, by consent of the governed. The governed don’t exist by the consent of the government.
And “Sheesh” is no argument, girly man. Neither is “you’re really over the top.”
And a P.S. to that:
Nor is argumentum ad populum a valid argument.
This is Erb in a nutshell.
If I can’t afford to buy health insurance and can’t afford the $1,900 fine for being poor, how the hell am I going to come up with the $25,000? Were those idiots in Washington born that stupid or did they have to practice?
I very much appreciate all Conservative’s and other dedicated American’s continued focus and analysis on what is happening in the so-called Health Care reform debate.
Unfortunately, all of us who oppose Obamacare may be too late politically to stop this from happen unless the public can be alerted to what is going on right now.
A big event took place yesterday that went just about unnoticed by the all in the media save for the alarm over jail time brought out by Senator Ensign (good catch by him!)…..
The Individual Mandate provisions were kept in the Bacus Bill by the Senate Finance Committee on a near party line vote which makes some form of Obamacare phoney “compromise” highly likely now…
And unfortunately, it was a R who broke ranks with her party….guess who?
Well, the cat is out of the bag – Senator Snowe voted to keep the individual mandate so its very likely that she and the blue dogs will sell us out on the Bacus bill or Wyden-Bennett fake compromises…..
http://townhall.com/blog/g/a14a2e37-…=true comments
Contrary to popular opinion in the media, the Individual Mandate, not the so-called public option is the key to stopping Obamcare in its tracks. Stop the Individual Mandate and the whole bill will unravel for lack of funding and mandatory participation in the scheme!
Her is what happened yesterday….
Senator Bunning offered an Amendment in the Finance committee today to kill the Individual Mandate in the Bacus bill – it failed by 14-9 vote – a bad result for stopping Obamacare…..
All R’s except Snowe voted Against the Individual Mandate…..
All D’s voted for it….of course…..
This is NOT a good result……If Snowe voted for it, then she is likely to vote for a Fake “compromise” bill with mandates…..and will vote for closure with D…..
Well, the true supporters of some version of Obamacare cant hide now – they will push the defacto takeover with the Individual Mandate!
This is a very dangerous period because Nationalization will still occur even without an overt government run insurance plan like this “public option” provision everyone keeps fixating on – Wyden/Bennett and the Bacus bill are prime examples of this.
Here are the core elements what will be contained in the “health care reform compromise” after the so-called “public option” is in all likelihood dropped:
(a) Federal Regulation aka HEALTH CZAR/DEATH PANELS
(b) Employer/Individual Mandates aka NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE
(c) Government Subsidies aka MIDDLE CLASS MEDICAL WELFARE
With the Federal Government setting the rules, forcing everyone to participate, and is paying the bills for most of the middle class through subsidies how is this anything other than Nationalization?
Here is a great link from a CATO study by Michael Cannon about how the takeover will work without a public option or COOP:
http://www.cato.org/people/michael-cannon
People need to be up in arms about this – they need to Flood Senator Snowe’s email, etc to get her to change this vote NOW!
Also, the so-called “blue dogs” need to be targeted too – they need to know we are on to their support for a de facto takeover…..
We are in bad shape I fear now – Rahm E is likely right and we are on track to pass this so-called “bi-partisan compromise” – but at least we know what is going on now and can mount a reaction….
The conservative print media has had several great features and is leading the charge against the Obamacare bill but he has spoken out directly against these Individual Mandates – I just wish the rest of the conservative media would get a clue and catch on soon before its too late….
We should be attacking these Individual Mandates daily on radio and TV TOO! Conservatives – please continue to do your utmost to alert the conservative media and the GOP Senators and Representatives about what is going on here with Obamacare!
This is the “bridge over” or foot in the water they need to get to fully socialized medicine!
And the Individual Mandate should be an easy target for conservatives and the GOP to attack since Obama has done a huge 180 from his campaign promises!
From the mouth of then Candidate Obama:
“If you look at auto insurance, in California there’s mandatory auto insurance,” Obama explained. “Twenty-five percent of the folks don’t have it. The reason is because they can’t afford it. So John and I, we’re not that different in this sense; that I’m committed to starting the process. Everybody who wants it can buy it and it’s affordable. If we have some gaps remaining, we will work on that. You take it from the opposite direction, but you’re still going to have some folks who aren’t insured under your plan, John, because some of them will simply not be able to afford to buy the coverage they’re offered.”
Can we see some flip-flop or liar adds please?
Why are we blowing this golden opportunity to stop Obamacare in its tracks?
Someone in the GOP Senate caucus also needs to talk some sense into Senator Snowe immediately too!
I hope we can pick up the pace here – a 100 year reign of socialized medicine would not be good for anyone’s health.
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