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So When Is A Lie A Lie? (update)

Or is this just “cynical manipulation?”

President Obama in Elkhart, IN today (email transcript – Fed. News Svc) in answer to a question by Helen Castello, a person in the crowd attending the rally:

So — so we may — we may debate– we — we can debate, you know, whether you’d rather have this tax cut versus that tax cut or this project versus that project. Be clear, though, that there aren’t — there aren’t individual pork projects that members of Congress are putting into this bill. Regardless of what the critics say, there are no earmarks in this bill. That’s part of the change that we’re bringing to Washington, is making sure that this money is well-spent to actually create jobs right here in Elkhart.

No earmarks huh? Does President Obama really know that? Or even believe it?

Here he is addressing the House Democrats in Williamsburg last Friday night:

Then there’s the argument, well, this is full of pet projects. When was the last time that we saw a bill of this magnitude move out with no earmarks in it? Not one. (Applause.)

We report. You decide.

But you have to wonder how Ms. Castello, who gushed all over Mr. Obama, must now feel knowing he lied to her face about earmarks knowing full well, as indicated by his remarks to Democrats, that the bill indeed included earmarks?

Hope and change.

~McQ

UPDATE: Here’s a link from a local TV station in Indiana which validates the first quote (although they end up paraphrasing Obama).

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20 Responses to So When Is A Lie A Lie? (update)

  • This may be true in the technical sense of there being nothing that is part of the bill that was added through the earmark process, and yet still contain a great deal of stupid and expensive projects that only a small minority would approve.

  • Well, it’s not a lie if you redefine what an ‘earmark’ is, which is apparently what they are doing. 

    The federal Office of Management and Budget defines earmarks as funds provided by Congress for projects or programs where the congressional direction (in bill or report language) circumvents Executive Branch merit-based or competitive allocation processes, or specifies the location or recipient, or otherwise curtails the ability of the Executive Branch to manage critical aspects of the funds allocation process.

    And I have to wonder exactly how closely the following is going to be adhered to during this spend-a-thon, and how much time it will delay any actual spending as everything gets reviewed.

    SEC. 1205. SPECIAL CONTRACTING PROVISIONS.
    The Federal Acquisition Regulation shall apply to contracts awarded with funds made available in this Act.  To the maximum extent possible, such contracts shall be awarded as fixed-price contracts through the use of competitive procedures. Existing contracts so awarded may be utilized in order to obligate such funds expeditiously. Any contract awarded with such funds that is not fixed-price and not awarded using competitive procedures shall be posted in a special section of the website Recovery.gov.

  • Impeach Obama

  • In the minds of the American people at present seems to be a common sense lithmus test when it comes to judging whether something in the Stimulus Bill should stay or go.  At first, Americans want to know, “Does it create a job or not?”…and if not, it should go.  If it takes a long TIME to create a job, it is questionable.  If it creates an IMMEDIATE job, it belongs.  And if it creates an immediate LONG TERM job, it hits a home run.

    And for those spending projects that do not hit a home run, a further test is warranted.  WHY is it in here?  WHO proposed it?  WHO does it benefit?  And the general feeling is that if it benefits only a few and was proposed or supported by one Congressman or President in an effort to take care of their own constituents, then it smells like PORK…it acts like an EARMARK…and should be scuttled in favor of those spending projects that hit a home run.

    Not all home run projects will benefit all Americans.  But if it can be shown that via the COLLECTION of home run or “shovel-ready” projects, the key and strategic needs of each area of the country will be addressed fairly and proportionately, then I think you have a winner in terms of a bill the American people can support.  We are going to have to pay for this for many years to come so we better get it right and not rush into things the way we did with TARP 1 which was an expensive disappointment, did not stimulate the economy, and did little to nothing to ease credit.

  • We don’t need to get it right the 1st time…..they’re doing a 2nd TARP. Anyone else want to bet there is a 2nd stimulus bill? Maybe a 3rd?

  • “Well, it’s not a lie if you redefine what an ‘earmark’ is, which is apparently what they are doing.”

    Keith, I’m happy that you finally growing to understand the holy principles of post-modernism.

    We wise leftists never lie. It’s impossible under the principles our religion, uh, sorry, philosophy. You see, postmodernism allows multiple truths, with each person adopting his own truth either for pragmatic reasons or simply out of personal preference. That includes the truth of what words mean.

    So if Obama decides that “earmark” means something different than what it did under the odious Bush, then it does! Obama has godlike powers of political science, far beyond anyone in the faculty lounge, even me, so he can redefine anything he wants instantly. And you dense righties just have to take it, because our postmodern colleagues in the media will ensure that Obama’s truth becomes the one that the proletariat, uh, sorry, the common people all adopt.

    For now at least, until it’s time for a new truth. Because of pragmatic reasons, of course.

    So suck on it righties. The Bush regime is over. Finally! And we are having to face our sins as a nation, both at home and abroad, with a dose of reality. Wise leftists are in control, and I need to find at least two or three opportunities a day to crow about that to you thick righties. So there.

    And I’m just waiting patiently until Iraq blows up so that I can crow about that. Because Sadr won, and don’t start up about how he lost so much in the most recent election, just don’t start! Juan Cole said Maliki lost, so that’s the truth we all just have to accept. Yep, the Iranians are going to come out the victor, because Iraq was the biggest foreign policy disaster in history, not just American history, but anybody’s history. I decree it. And I can’t wait to come back here and crow some more about it, as soon as something goes wrong there.

    Or maybe I’ll crow about stuff going wrong in Afghanistan for a while. I’m waiting for instructions from Obama on whether us fighting in Afghanistan is good or bad. He hasn’t told us yet. He’s probably conferring with Juan Cole right now about it.

  • First Obama praises someone’s patriotism, and you suggest he’s questioning someone else’s.  Now you try to manufacture a claim that there are earmarks?  Re-read both quotes.  Saying “when was the last time you saw a bill like this with no earmarks” suggests he’s bragging that there are no earmarks in the bill.  Sort of like when someone hits from half court and says “when’s the last time you’ve seen that.”  Oh well, his approval is at 76%, you gotta try something!  And pet project does not equal earmark.

  • Saying “when was the last time you saw a bill like this with no earmarks” suggests he’s bragging that there are no earmarks in the bill.

    No, you simp… It is used to demonstrate that Obama knows full good and well that there ARE earmarks, and lied to that woman, blatantly, to her face, with what appears to be zero shame or remorse.

    I weep for your students.

    • I don’t weep for his students.  If they have been there longer than a week then they deserve what they get.

  • “and pet project does not equal earmark”
    Care to give that a realisitc percentage on the number of times when it does not there Professor.   Let me guess what little integrity you have is officially sold with that statement.

  • Wow, talk about a straw man argument, erb.  He is claiming that there are NO EARMARKS period.

    Direct quote: And listen, I know that there are a lot of folks out there who have been saying, oh, this is pork and this is money that’s going to be wasted and et cetera, et cetera. Understand: This bill does not have a single earmark in it — which is unprecedented for a bill of this size — does not have a single earmark in it. (Applause.)

    So we may debate — we can debate, you know, whether you’d rather have this tax cut versus that tax cut, or this project versus that project. Be clear, though, that there aren’t a — there aren’t individual pork projects that members of Congress are putting into this bill. Regardless of what the critics say, there are no earmarks in this bill.

    Yeah, wonder how we got 200 million for “bio-refinery assistance,” 11.6 billion for the rural housing insurance program, 100 million for rural broadband/distance learning/telemedicine?  Yep, that’s all got to be a dire emergency, that doesn’t deserve careful consideration or public input.

    $500 million for a supplemental nutrition program.  Emergency stimulus?

    $150 million for commodity purchases.

    And for all the grants and bond provisions in this craptacular bill, where are the state and local entities going to get the matching funds??

    And wow, the amount of money being put in here for “oversight.”  How many new government patronage appointed postions are going to be created through this act?

    And for a party that decries the “politics of fear” there’s an awful lot of fear being pushed by the President, et al.

  • First Obama praises someone’s patriotism, and you suggest he’s questioning someone else’s

    ***

    Don’t worry Erb, nobody will ever question your patriotism.

  • Remember when Erb tried to convince everyone that he didn’t trust government spending? Gosh, why would anyone believe Erb is a lying sh!tweasel? Just because he changes his positions in order to better receive his Obama teabag doesn’t mean he’s a fellow traveler at heart.

  • Remember that this is just the Appropriations part of the equation. It tells each committee how much they can spend. When the actual markup begin (after passage) then you will see the pet projects stacked up one on top of the other. The line of lobbyist with their hand out will run out the door.

    The Dems are going to be so busy handing out the Pork I bet they forget that they haven’t passed a 2009 budget and do another Continuing Resolution. I mean really, the few billion in earmarks that normally get into the budget is chicken feed compared to this one bill.

    This is like winning Powerball on Christmas Day for the Dems.

  • Even the AP has a hard time swallowing

    President Barack Obama had it both ways Monday when he promoted his stimulus plan in Indiana. He bragged about getting Congress to produce a package with no pork, yet boasted it will do good things for a Hoosier highway and a downtown overpass, just the kind of local projects lawmakers lard into big spending bills.