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The Sun, Cosmic Rays, Clouds And All Of That …

One of the things I and others have been saying for years is the biggest influence on our climate (and temperature) hangs in the sky each day and we call “the Sun”.  Anthony Watts has a post up today talking about what is going on with the Sun and what that may mean for global temperatures.  The process, as I have come to understand it is activity on the Sun (sun spots) generate solar winds (sun’s magnetic field).  Solar winds have a tendency to “blow” away cosmic rays and keep them from reaching earth.  When cosmic rays reach earth they react with water vapor in our atmosphere and create clouds.  Clouds then block sunlight.  Heavy cloud cover means cooler temperatures.  Light cloud cover means higher temperatures.  As I further understand it, none of that is included in climate models.

To Watts’ post:

Well, if Svensmark is right, and Galactic Cosmic Rays modulated by the sun’s magnetic field make a change in cloud cover on Earth, increasing it during low solar magnetic activity, we are in for some colder times.

There’s a presentation by Jasper Kirkby, CLOUD Spokesperson, CERN, which shows what we currently know about the correlations between Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCR’s) and variations in the climate.

The CLOUD experiment uses a cloud chamber to study the theorized link between GCR’s and cloud formation in Earth’s atmosphere. Kirkby talks about the results from the first CLOUD experiment and the new CLOUD experiment and what it will deliver on the intrinsic connection between GCR’s and cloud formation. This is from the Cern, one of Europe’s most highly respected centers for scientific research.

The sun is in a funk – has been for years. Some of the lowest activity every recorded. And what has been happening here? Recorded temperatures have been cooling. Perhaps the funniest (in a sad sort of thing) thing I’ve read are the so-called climate scientists who were lamenting their inability to explain why their models weren’t reflecting this cooling trend and wishing they could explain it.

Look at the charts on Watts’ site, read about the lack of activity on the sun, understand the relationship between activity, solar winds, cosmic rays and clouds and you’ll understand that this is high school science we’re talking about.

Now go read this, especially the commenter’s remarks highlighted in the article, and much of what is going on becomes considerably clearer.

Which leaves me asking – again – how can such “science” that disregards the sun’s effect and raises an 800 year lagging effect (CO2) into a “cause” be taken seriously by intelligent and seemingly rational adults?  Forget “consensus” and “conspiracy”.  How did the Sun get ignored and CO2 changed from effect to “cause” in this hypothesis which can’t be reproduced?

~McQ

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21 Responses to The Sun, Cosmic Rays, Clouds And All Of That …

  • McQThe sun is in a funk – has been for years. Some of the lowest activity every recorded. And what has been happening here? Recorded temperatures have been cooling.

    Well, maybe recored temperatures have been falling, but homogenized temperatures that have been manipulated quality controlled by experts (EXPERTS, I say) have been rising.  In fact, the United Nations just announced that the past decade is likely the hottest on record.  What do you say to THAT?

    Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m looking into ordering a new winter hat.  It’s been unusually nippy here in No. Carolina so far this winter.

    • manipulated quality controlled by experts (EXPERTS, I say)

      Indeed, they keep telling us about their expertness!
      They just don’t tell us what they’re expertness applies to! Maybe fudgepacking?

  • How did the Sun get ignored and CO2 changed from effect to “cause” in this hypothesis which can’t be reproduced?

    Well, they haven’t figured out a way to control or tax the sun, so what good would it do a well-intentioned leftist to discover that the sun was the primary cause or one of the primary causes? That would just introduce additional confusion into their narrative about why leftists need to run everyone else’s lives for our own good.

    It really helps if you get past the point that these people are scientists. Looking at their methods and response to criticism, it’s clear that they are not. They are just garden variety academic leftists, with a lot more in common with imbecilic professors of “political” science than with real scientists.

    • “Well, they haven’t figured out a way to control or tax the sun,”

      They’ll figure it out once we have a large installed (captive) solar power base.

    • Just wait till the EPA figures out that “water vapor” is the most potent GHG.
      They will be building a lid over the entire Great Plains.

  • “How did the Sun get ignored and CO2 changed from effect to “cause” in this hypothesis which can’t be reproduced?”
    Because a fraudster(s) working with Al Gore, Former VPOUS, now fraudster, reasoned that they could claim they were ‘capturing’ CO2. That could be demonstrated (See! We planted a tree! Right there!, see the tree!). In addition, it was absolutely critical that people be convinced there was a crisis (too much CO2), and only more government could fix the crisis. This is a combination of shysters and big government maniacs come together to make a buck AND help establish the foundation for a world government.

    Not enough sunlight isn’t something we can fix by planting a tree, restricting births or riding bicycles, so they didn’t go down that path.

    • I suggest we send Al Gore in a rocket ship to the center of the Sun where he can negotiated an agreement for more moderate temperatures.
      OK, we sacrifice Al Gore the the Sun God.

  • The safest and most honest thing that “climate scientists” could do now is admit that they have no settled idea about what is going on, but that there are dissenting camps and that they have to start over……


    Yeah, that’ll happen……

    • As has often been said, real scientists never consider science to be “settled.”  Especially when the amount of data and research into Earth’s climate is so small and piecemeal, even before it was ‘adjusted’ by people whose political drive has subverted their interest in science.  The fact that there is almost no outcry from alarmists over the way the data has been mishandled tells you all you need to know about how much of this is political, and how much is driven by an interest to actually find out how the climate really works.

  • How did the Sun get ignored and CO2 changed from effect to “cause” in this hypothesis which can’t be reproduced?

    Easy, when you only look back 100 years, as these “climate scientist” have been doing, you totally miss many inconvenient events.  You have to go back about 200 years to see the “Dalton Minimum” and 300+ years to see the “Maunder Minimum“.  The Maunder Minimum coincided with the middle — and coldest part — of the Little Ice Age, which, until recent “peer reviewed” papers, was believed to have been a regional occurance in North America and Europe. The recent papers show evidence of the Little Ice Age in South America, leading many to now believe it was a global occurance.

  • The skeptics have an interest in honest science. The Warmists have the will to believe.

    Richard Lindzen (who has been a principal skeptic all along) does a pretty good job of expressing the complexity of climate science here.

    If you’re Al Gore or one of the Warmist scientists, you can be content to raise one arm and say “CO2 increases because of human activity” and then raise the other arm and say “and that traps heat and the Earth’s temperature rises.” Sounds pretty simple. But it’s not simple and its safe to say that it’s not even withing striking distance of factual truth.

    The truth is that the climate is largely unchanged, but if it does change even in the remote future the most likely direction is a dive back into glaciation and death by cold.

    • Palin as much as defied Gore to call himself a “denier” today.

      • Quite! Looking all all the lame excuses coming from the LapDog Media and the RealClimate/Soros shills, we see some pretty pathetic DENIAL.

  • That’s one of the things that originally bothered me about the whole “global warming” thing — the “scientists” involved seemed to think the earth was a closed system, as a general assumption in all of their logic. I knew enough about science and physics as a teenager to know the earth is *not* closed system. Bad assumption…

  • Drudge headlines from just this week.

    Obama to Republicans: ‘Stop trying to frighten the American people’…

    Gore turns to poetry: ‘The shepherd cries, the hour of choosing has arrived’… *

    UN leaders: ‘The clock has ticked down to zero’… *

    UN: Human role in climate change not in doubt… *

    UN film shows ‘children of the future facing an apocalypse’… * 

    Christmas trees banned for climate summit… *

    THE BIG STINK: NOW CARBON DIOXIDE RULES *

    EPA: Greenhouse gases endanger human health… *

    EPA to move on emissions as Congress stalls… *

    EPA chief: ‘Hacked emails’ change nothing… *

    Climategate Professor Calls Skeptic ‘***hole’ during Live TV debate… *

    Study: Slowdown in warming last year not permanent… *

    Schwarzenegger unveils dramatic climate change map which shows flooded San Francisco of the future… *

    Al Gore Cancels $1200 Per Handshake Copenhagen Event… *

    UN climate chief: Hacked e-mails are damaging… * 

    COPENHAGEN CLIMATE SUMMIT: 1,200 LIMOS, 140 PRIVATE PLANES… *

    Meanwhile in the real world

    Rep. Issa: White House refusal to investigate ‘Climategate’ is ‘unconscionable’… *

    SNOW DRIFTS TO 15FT! *

    ‘War on Coal’ claims 550 jobs in West Virginia… *

    Climategate: Gore falsifies the record… *

    Upper Midwest Slammed By Snow .. State Of Emergency In Wisconsin … *

    Fierce snowstorm gains strength after hitting West… *

    Millions to be Impacted by Unfolding Blizzard… *

    Snow predicted for Sacramento… *

    In 1975 US government pushed ‘the coming ice age’… * 

    DC Under Winter Weather Advisory… *

    SNOW BLAST: HOUSTON *

    Denmark: not as green as you thought… *

    Danish Speaker of Parliament: Climate Change ‘Very Dangerous Claim’… *

    HOUSTON EARLIEST SNOWFALL — EVER… *

    Take back Al Gore’s Oscar, 2 Academy members demand… *

  • Drudge headlines from just this week.

    Obama to Republicans: ‘Stop trying to frighten the American people’…

    Gore turns to poetry: ‘The shepherd cries, the hour of choosing has arrived’… *

    UN leaders: ‘The clock has ticked down to zero’… *

    UN: Human role in climate change not in doubt… *

    UN film shows ‘children of the future facing an apocalypse’… *

     Christmas trees banned for climate summit… *

    THE BIG STINK: NOW CARBON DIOXIDE RULES *

    EPA: Greenhouse gases endanger human health… *

    EPA to move on emissions as Congress stalls… *

    EPA chief: ‘Hacked emails’ change nothing… *

    Climategate Professor Calls Skeptic ‘***hole’ during Live TV debate… *

    Study: Slowdown in warming last year not permanent… *

    Schwarzenegger unveils dramatic climate change map which shows flooded San Francisco of the future… *

    Al Gore Cancels $1200 Per Handshake Copenhagen Event… *

    UN climate chief: Hacked e-mails are damaging… *

     COPENHAGEN CLIMATE SUMMIT: 1,200 LIMOS, 140 PRIVATE PLANES… *

    Meanwhile in the real world

    Rep. Issa: White House refusal to investigate ‘Climategate’ is ‘unconscionable’… *

    SNOW DRIFTS TO 15FT! *

    ‘War on Coal’ claims 550 jobs in West Virginia… *

    Climategate: Gore falsifies the record… *

    Upper Midwest Slammed By Snow .. State Of Emergency In Wisconsin … *

    Fierce snowstorm gains strength after hitting West… *

    Millions to be Impacted by Unfolding Blizzard… *

    Snow predicted for Sacramento… *

    In 1975 US government pushed ‘the coming ice age’… *

     DC Under Winter Weather Advisory… *

    SNOW BLAST: HOUSTON *

    Denmark: not as green as you thought… *

    Danish Speaker of Parliament: Climate Change ‘Very Dangerous Claim’… *

    HOUSTON EARLIEST SNOWFALL — EVER… *

    Take back Al Gore’s Oscar, 2 Academy members demand… *

  • Bruce et. al.,
    Can you link articles you quote?  It would be helpful!

  • China adds a “poison pill” to Climate talks …

    COPENHAGEN: Population and climate change are intertwined but the population issue has remained a blind spot when countries discuss ways to mitigate climate change and slow down global warming, according to Zhao Baige, vice-minister of National Population and Family Planning Commission of China (NPFPC) . “Dealing with climate change is not simply an issue of CO2 emission reduction but a comprehensive challenge involving political, economic, social, cultural and ecological issues, and the population concern fits right into the picture,” said Zhao, who is a member of the Chinese government delegation.

  • Here’s my idea: I think if we can shoot some really big missiles at the Sun, and knock that sucker right out of the sky. It would end “global warming” in a heartbeat, and, in an added bonus, we can all be Democrats, because currently they are in the dark regarding everything and now we call all be in the dark.

  • How did the Sun get ignored and CO2 changed from effect to “cause” in this hypothesis which can’t be reproduced?

    This has to be rhetorical, right?  We all know why, and it has nothing to do with science.  (Ripping myself off from another comment written elsewhere)

    Yes, it is the fact carbon dioxide can be linked to industrial activity which makes it such a fave with these leftist ideologues. It used to be that old fashioned Marxists wanted to control the means of production (i.e. the industrial economy) through central planning because they believed it was a better way to produce the most wealth for the most people. Well, history proved them wrong on this point.

    “No matter!” they now claim. “Really we need to control the means of production through central planning in order to avoid a climatological disaster!”

    Until they can find a way to put the sun under the control of a “Five Year Plan” they will continue to ignore it.

    (Real scientists won’t, of course, but these clown will.)