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Still trying to find that “reset” button for Israel

Well, it’s good to see the Obama administration is taking steps to warm up the relationship with Israel after the recent molehill they managed to turn into a mountain.  Joshua Pundit reports:

NRG/Maariv (Hebrew link only, sorry) reported today that the Israeli government was stunned when every nuclear technician at Israel’s Dimona reactor who had submitted visa requests to visit the United States for ongoing university education in Physics, Chemistry and Nuclear Engineering had their visa applications summarily rejected, specifically because of their association with the Dimona reactor.

This is a new policy decision of the Obama administration. Up until now, it was routine for Israeli nuclear scientists and technicians to receive such visas and to study at US universities.

Israeli security officials have confirmed that these technicians are being denied visas solely because of their employment at the Dimona reactor.

Not only are employees at Dimonas taboo, but reportedly the US has an unofficial embargo on selling anything to be used at the site.

Professor Zeev Alfasi, the head of Nuclear Engineering at Ben-Gurion University in the Negev stated that “the United States doesn’t sell anything nuclear-related to the Dimona reactor, and that means absolutely nothing. Radiation detectors, for example have to be purchased now in France because the USA refuses to sell these to Israel.”

This is how you treat allies when relations are a bit rocky.  And apparently, this is how you “edge” the world closer to abandoning nuclear weapons.

I’m sure this will be studied in foreign policy schools for years to come as the way diplomacy among allies is conducted.  And I’m very sure that Israel will respond to this fine treatment with a renewed desire to settle the Palestinian problem once and for all.

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~McQ

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41 Responses to Still trying to find that “reset” button for Israel

  • Power Politics 101: You don’t let allies who are dependent on you walk all over you and dictate terms.   Obama is going to put forth a Mideast peace plan that will deal strongly with Iran, and give Israel protections it wants.  However, Israel is going to have to make compromises.  Obama is sending a tough message to the Israelis: you need us more than we need you, and if you don’t start making changes and working with us to find a solution to the situation — and if you dare publicly humiliate us again like you did during Biden’s visit — we won’t be afraid to punish you.
    I don’t think it’s personal with Obama (it was personal with the Bush Administration, when they attacked allies Germany and France in 2002-03 and not only punished them, but publicly belittled them and for awhile refused diplomatic contact beyond the most basic level).   He’s sending a message that the US is going to act on American interests, and others have to understand that.   The world is used to the chummy but ineffective George W. Bush.   Obama, again, has steel.

    • “The world is used to the chummy but ineffective George W. Bush.   Obama, again, has steel.”  My god, you are such a hypocritical bullshit artist.

      yeah, you let us know when the Israeli body count gets high enough to make you and Obama happy and proves how tough he is.

      Christ, the man doesn’t even act in American interests at home, let alone in the Middle East.  The message he’s sending was pretty thoroughly described by Iran yesterday – amateur.

      • There won’t be any Israeli body count, don’t give in to fear and paranoia.   He’s making rational foreign policy, has a very close working relationship with David Petraeus, whose advice he relies on, and mark my words — he’s going to have some pretty big foreign policy successes in his Presidency.  His decision making style is textbook (if one believes the Washington Post Nov. 25, 2009 article about his Afghanistan decision), and he understands Cold War thinking is obsolete.

        • His Afgan decision? You mean taking f’king forever to decide, being surprised when troop movements don’t magically occur at the snap of one’s fingers, and then setting a date as the deadline, instead of victory? That decision?

          Perhaps that’s in a texbook your wrote, but in the real world, that’s incompetence.

        • don’t give in to fear and paranoia

          >>> Laughable coming from the biggest global warming scare monger imaginable. But even you’re right about one thing – there won’t be any Israeli body count. They’ll defend themselves.

          And I know that’s what irritates people like you the most. 

        • Scott, I seriously doubt Obama will have anything other than foreign policy disasters in his one term.  You claim it is “tough love” with Israel, but each time he does it, the Palestinians demand more.   No ally responds well, if at all, to “you need me more that I need you”.  So far, Obama has a foreign policy that can be summed up as “diss’ your allies, embrace your enemies, get nothing from either”.    Obama is not headed for successes.  Obama is headed toward standing alone, realizing too late that he is lonely, and does, in fact, need allies.

        • Hi Scott,
          It’s nice that you’re so willing to risk the lives of Israelis because of your faith in Obama. It’s a pity the Israelis don’t share your confidence. Well, maybe 4% of them do.
          Perhaps that’s because Obama has seen to it that the US has implemented a de facto arms embargo on Israel since he took office. Or maybe it’s because one of his first acts after becoming President was to order the Pentagon to change the rules to restrict how the military aid Congress voted for can be used by the IDF..thus making a large part of it unusable. Kinda gives the lie to the idea that this all stemmed suddenly from some Israeli ‘insult’ doesn’t it?
          As for Afghanistan, it’s in meltdown because of Obama’s poor decisions. You might want to think again about him being a foreign policy genius.

          Regards,
          Rob Miller @ Joshuapundit

    • Power Politics 101: You don’t let allies who are dependent on you walk all over you and dictate terms

      >>> Yet at the end of the day, who’s Baracky REALLY counting on to stop a nuke Iran?

      Who’s really dependent on who around here?  More like we mutually serve the other’s interests.

      • Actually, I take it back. Given the d**kcheese in the oval office, it’s probably more the case that he’d pop the bubby upon hearing Iran got nukes and was looking to play “find the hidden Imam”

    • What an absolute crock of sh*t you are spreading here.  Obama has steel!  LOL!  Obama is an anti-Semite who has surrounded himself with anti-Semites and he has been waiting for the moment when he can dis the Israelis and become the new best-buddy to the Palies.  Obama drools and slobbers at anything the Iranians send his way but he can’t wait to step on one of his so-called allies.

      You want to see power politics at work, Erb.  There will come a time in the not so far future when Obama is going to need his allies to come to our aide – even if it only be symbolic.  And the result of the hubris he has shown those allies we have in this world is going to result in their turning their back on him.  That in and of itself is no big f*cking deal but what is important, they will turn their backs on the US.

      To paraphrase you, Erb – Obama, again, is shit!

      • SShiell, you’re so over the top I have to laugh when I read your  silliness.  An anti-semite?  *eyes rolling*  Did you get upset when Bush went against our allies Germany and France.   No, word is the US is planning a comprehensive Mideast plan that will deal with Iran. Obama has shown real toughness on the world stage, and has positioned the US to make real gains after a decade of failure.    But all you have is over the top insults, a case of ODS that makes BDS look insignificant in comparison.    I mean, seriously, your  rhetoric makes even the hard core Bush hater look sane by comparison, you’re so over the top it’s a bit weird.

        • Erb,

          Do you think we forget your PDS from the election of 2008? You were going nuts thinking a woman from Alaska might mess up your socialist takeover.
          Obama’s foreign policy is the worst I can recall in detail. Carter had some horrific outcomes, letting the Shah fall, letting Somoza fall, pushing Rodesia over the edge, etc., but I was young enough that I don’t recall the details.

        • And what kind of intell do you have that indicates “word is the US is planning a comprehensive Mideast plan that will deal with Iran.”  Sounds like wishful thinking on your part.  China and Russia both have told your Messiah to pound sand so far for any sanctions worthy of the name.  So where is this comprehensive strategy coming from other than out of your ass?

          You may think of my position as ODS but I prefer to think of it as “Show me the money.”  And so far Obama hasn’t!  And until he does, he is still nothing but an Empty Suit that you continue to defend at every turn.  Maybe a little reality will seep into your besotted skull if you would get off your knees in front of the guy, wipe your mouth, and put a little of that so called intellect you are so happy to show off to work for a change.

        • “ word is the US is planning a comprehensive Mideast plan that will deal with Iran.”

          “word is”, eh?

          The inside dope from your sources in the White House, eh?

          Thanks, I will be snickering about this all day. Who said you were worthless?

    • “Obama has steel”.

      He has? He has yet to show it.

      “Obama is going to put forth a Mideast peace plan that will deal strongly with Iran”.

      First of al, you are lying, because you know he doesn’t. He hasn’t dealt strongly with any bad guy yet, except those we are already shooting at (and then, he has made the wrong step almost every time, getting it right ONLY when he followed Bush’s footsteps).

      Second, Iran and the Israel / Palestinian peace process are two seperate issues. From a foreign policy perspective, they should be essentially delinked.

      “Obama is sending a tough message to the Israelis: you need us more than we need you, and if you don’t start making changes and working with us to find a solution to the situation ”

      Israel CAN’T find a solution to the problem, unless that’s eliminating all the Palestinians or allowing their own destruction. When only one side is willing to sit down and work for peace, no real progress can be made. That was made obvious, even to someone as dense as you, when Arafat walked out and denied Clinton his Peace Prize (back when a Democratic Pres had to be more than just the anti-Bush to get the Prize).

      • As a side point, Erb’s “you need us more than we need you” comment on Israel shows a similar petulant child’s though process similar to Obama’s. Not saying that Erb’s correct in putting forth Obama’s though process. Just pointing out that they both seem to think like a petulant child.

        In forign policy, it doesn’t matter that they need us more than we need them. What matters is that we both need each other. And the simple fact is that there is no key to peace in the Middle East.

        The Arabs won’t settle for anything short of the distruction of Israel. Israel knows it. What will work for now is Israeli military dominance backed by US support, and a faux peace process where talks continue but go nowhere. The real “peace” is that provided by the muzzles of israeli guns, with US backing.

        As Obama removes US backing, the Arabs will be emboldened, and violence will increase.

    • Power Politics 101: You don’t let allies who are dependent on you walk all over you and dictate terms.

      So, when Bush pushed our European allies to participate in the Iraq war and not let them dictate any terms, he was being very wise? Maybe we should have denied visas for any French officials then to get them to join the coalition.

    • The world is used to the chummy but ineffective George W. Bush.

      How does your head not explode after writing things like this?  Not so very long ago, you complained the Bush’s “with us or against us” approach was too stern and unyielding.  Now you claim he was chummy.

    • Jeez you are f-ing retard

    • “Obama is going to put forth a Mideast peace plan that will deal strongly with Iran, and give Israel protections it wants.”

      And you know this because…..? 

  • And I’m very sure that Israel will respond to this fine treatment with a renewed desire to settle the Palestinian problem once and for all.

    >>>> More to the point, I’m SURE the Palestinians will be motivated to be responsive and reasonable partners in the peace process  given the recent turn of events

    Baracky is more and more like Carter – he hated Israel and the Jews also….

  • The message our elected genius is selling is ‘Israelis, you’re on your own.’

    Don’t think they haven’t gotten that message, with all that implies.

  • McQWell, it’s good to see the Obama administration is taking steps to warm up the relationship with Israel after the recent molehill they managed to turn into a mountain.

    Because Bush waged war and talked tough against terrorist groups and regimes that happened to be Muslim he was criticized as a bigot, and Imeme felt it incumbent upon him to go around apologizing to any Muslim audience he could find.

    So, given the really incomprehensible attitude that Imeme has taken toward Israel, can we criticize him as an anti-Semite and expect his successor to go to Israel to apologize?

    / sarc

    What we’re seeing is another demonstration of Imeme as nothing more than a schoolyard bully.  He’s perfectly fine kicking folks who can’t fight back, such as Honduras, Israel, bankrupt car company execs, Supreme Court justices, etc., and his brain-dead followers applaud this sort of behavior because they think it demonstrates courage or determination or machismo.  However, people who can and will tell him to p*ss up a rope (like Iran, Red China, Russia, etc.) get a very different treatment: concilliation, obsequiousness, and even kow-towing.  This is seen by his dopey followers as evidence of his cool diplomatic savvy and his commendable policy of ending American “arrogance” and “hyperpower status”.

    I’m not sure who is more disgusting: Imeme the bully, or the idiots who cheer his embarrassing, appalling behavior.

    • Oh, it’s the lickspittles, absolutely.

    • Oh, Bush waged a war — but it turned bad and costly that by 2005 the world realized they didn’t have to take Bush seriously — he’d failed, and lost the trust of his country.  Bush was really from 2005 on ineffectual and a pushover, taken seriously by no one.   Obama has to undo that damage, and he’s off to a good start.  All you have is ‘tough guy trash talk’ and no analysis or understanding of the issues.   That’s good for trying  to get an emotional high, but it doesn’t really address foreign policy or US interests.    Here’s a prediction: there will be a sanctions regime imposed on Iran tougher than anything previous, and it will work to help weaken the regime and push moderates to go against the conservative clerics.  Israel will benefit from this, and don’t be surprised if later this year a breakthrough comes in Mideast peace negotiations, and by 2012 there will be a new peace treaty, rivaling the Camp David Accords in significance.
       

      • Erb, the world knew they had to take Bush seriously. That’s why they didn’t like him. Oh, and he won in Iraq, although Obama may still mess that up.

      • Dude, maybe you don’t know any history, but Israel will do things in their own interest despite their alliance with the USA. We do not have as much weight as you think we do. The Israelis now have a very strong economy not dependent on aid. They have their own weapons industries. They have their own nuclear forces. They built the fence and that stopped virtually all of the suicide bombings. Now they face some minor rocketry. There is no pressure to solve the Palestinian question, and for sure if its on bad terms for Israel they won’t care.
        p.s. Israel can also simply wait 2 – 6 years and see a replacement American leader.

        • “They built the fence and that stopped virtually all of the suicide bombings”

          You know, one might think that such a fence might even stop less violent illegal immigrants.

        • Oh, and that Dimona Reactor? Built with French help. The French still supply them with parts according to the article. The pro-Arab Frenchies still sell them stuff, but we won’t – classic.

      • Amazing, just amazing.

  • Its interesting this new policy was not trumpeted by Pres. Obama. That seems to me to say that he fears repercussions politically. You would think he would want the Arabs to know he did this. If its a purposeful strategy rather than anti-Israeli bias, wouldn;t you want to show your distancing from Israel more publicly?

    • First – Obama has lost many of the RINOs who moved over to vote for him, most of the the independent have moved back to the right – or should I say the Center now that everyone knows Obama is a man of the Left - and about the only constituency Obama has not alienated is the Jewish population.  The moment his real anti-semitism becomes common knowledge, he will lose them also – but now he wants to keep it under wraps.

      Second – Obama wants to push Israel around quiently but embrace them back into the fold in full view of the world only when they have doen right by him.  He wants to keep this quiet because it shows him to be petulant and a bully.

      • I agree with your analysis for why this wasn’t done publicly or leaked to the NYT.
        But, I am not sure American jews would really desert the Dems, even if Obama plays a little tough on Israel. Also, while Obama can rely on the MSM for some cover, could he really hide this from American jews who probably pay closer attention to this stuff?
        I wonder if someone did leak this to the NYT, but they said they wouldn’t publish secrets that would hurt our national security and image abroad. LOL.

  • I, for sure, have no idea what will happen in the Middle East.  I will go so far as to say that I care enough and feel confident that I could understand if a President wanted to make his plans clear to the American public in order to ask for their support and backing.  Unfortunately, that is not the scenario playing out in Washington today.  It is possible that “Bagdhad Erb” is prematurely popping off when President Obama is just in his campaign mode and talking about things that he knows will never be, but that he needs to talk about in order to accomplish some goal.
    Time will tell.  If international politics is like running a campaign for the Presidency, I wouldn’t count the President out.  And it may well be like that.  Our handicap is that we do not have the (whatever day it is) morning briefing to let us know what really is happening.  So Professor Erb may be right in his prediction.  On the other hand, what does he have to lose?
    Given his success here, it sort of makes sense to roll one for all the marbles.  At least he is taking a position on something and not just spouting the LN at us as he is wont to do, ad nauseum.
    Or maybe his prediction is the newest version of the LN foreign policy division?  I haven’t heard this from anyone else so it is hard to tell.  Perhaps Professor Erb is in a position to listen in on the early beta versions of the LN on foreign policy.  It begins in the Democratic think tanks and then is tried out in obscure exchanges between academics that we never see before the appropriate venue is selected for the trot-out.
    It would be smart to let folks like Professor Erb break the ice to see how it plays with a tough audience.  What is the downside of using him?  He needn’t even know that he is being used.
    Hard to use common sense to evaluate his prediction.  His confidence in President Obama’s foreign policy defies common sense.  Beware, however.  The President has shown that he is not afraid to bribe folks into giving him what he wants.  If one were willing to sell out Tiawan, say, what could one get from China?  Perhaps the Falklands deal was a bribe selling out Great Britain that went wrong at the last moment?  What could one get for selling out Israel?  Hmmmm.
    Before you snort, ask yourself if, in your wildest imaginings, you foresaw the BFD dealings in our future last January.  One thing is for sure.  We should all be afraid.

    • I think the LN on the Middle East is that Israel is at the center of it, but you can’t get Israel to agree unless you have a huge “grand bargain” involving everything including the kitchen sink.
      So, Iranian nukes have to be linked to Palestine somehow or it won’t work. Its not totally impossible, but usually making negotiations more and more complex and involving more and more parties does not work. See Copenhagen.

  • “If one were willing to sell out Tiawan, say, what could one get from China? ”
    Not much as Taiwan is already doing that themselves. Their last election is a mirror image of Obama’s, complete with ramming unpopular laws through based on a false “mandate.”
    I think its probably easier to explain all of Obama’s foreign policy based on leftist thinking – apologize, make friends with bad lefties, bash Israel and any righty states. He’s forced to punt on things like Afghanistan though – that’s why it takes 6 months for a decision- he really wants to do the opposite.

  • Anybody still convinced that the 22-year veteran of Rev. Wright’s house of Anti-Semitism & Bigotry, was ever an American Patriot? Anyone? Bueller?
    *SPIT*
    America Held Hostage: Day, 445

  • The comical think to me is that the Jews basically invented nuclear power.  This embargo against there technical personal is going to hurt America more than Israel.

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