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Even Al Qaeda knows Obama’s star is falling

Interesting that after the news breaks than the withdrawal timeframe for Afghanistan is "firm", al Qaeda pokes its head out of the cave and pretends like it winning this 9 year confrontation by dictating terms of "peace".

Al Qaeda’s American-born spokesman has repeated the terror group’s conditions for peace with America in a video released Sunday.

Adam Gadahn called on President Barack Obama to withdraw his troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, end support for Israel, stop intervening in the affairs of Muslims, and free Muslim prisoners.

Many would argue the “conditions” Gadahn sets are, in fact, the Obama agenda. He’s just been unable to execute it to his or their satisfaction yet. The announcement of this past week about the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan being firm, however, certainly fits those parameters.

Another interesting point from Gadahn’s 24 minute video:

In white robes and turban, Gadahn told Mr. Obama: “You’re no longer the popular man you once were, a year ago or so.”

When al Qaeda is aware of that, perhaps the spinmeisters here ought to get a clue and quit spinning so hard. The cold wave of reality has indeed washed over their puny efforts to say it ain’t so.

~McQ

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38 Responses to Even Al Qaeda knows Obama’s star is falling

  • Obama’s popularity would be lower, but for one aberration in the polls; African-Americans still support him in the 90+ range, which is stunning given they disagree with him on so much.
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    But, as far as world leaders’ assessment goes, he’s a joke.¬† He’s earned utter contempt, and he’s getting it.

    • That type of alignment (over 90%) suggests a severe disfunction within the subculture.

      • It could also suggest a severe dysfunction in the polling.

        • I’d say it suggests a certain level of immaturity and bigotry within the voting bloc. The same sort of problem to be found among the “my country right or wrong” crowd.

          • I’m afraid I’m literally suggesting that the reporting/gathering of information is being twisted because the African-American bloc would be,¬† in the mind of the left/progressives, the absolute last bastion of support to fall.¬† Given these numbers quoted, to suggest otherwise, that he’s fallen from favor even there,¬† would be a catastrophic admission.
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            So I think they’re refusing to admit it by misrepresenting the numbers.¬† Then too, I’m not sure how honest the answers are – if the African-American population has heavily identified with him strictly because of his ethnic background they may not be giving honest answers during the poll.¬† “Of course they support him!”
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            Now, I have absolutely not one shred of proof for that, and maybe my gut on people being people somehow veers wildly when it comes to African-Americans, but that solidarity in the face of this, debacle, doesn’t make sense.¬† I can’t buy that 90% of an entire segment of the population is that blind.¬† Even Pedro, our wandering illegal Massachusetts liberal is¬† less than enchanted with Imeme’s performance.¬† On the officially white folks side of the spectrum we have Dr Erb, and my neighbor Rob….who will never admit they screwed up.
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            So I can imagine some segment, even a large segement, of any given subgroup to behave the same way as Erb does, “He’s a god!”, but I can’t buy that it’s 90% of them at this stage.

          • None dare call it raaaacist, which is exactly what it is…sort of by definition.
            I think we all look toward a time in America when Dr. King’s dream is embraced.¬† We clearly are not there yet.¬† And the last thing Obama is is “post-racial”, as we all now know…¬† We will not be there until identity politics is an anathema, instead of a winning strategy, and until black Americans feel comfortable voting for people…not pigment.

          • “until identity politics is anathema…”
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            You mean when the Democratic party ceases to be one of major parties and is treated like the American Nazi Party?

          • You mean when the Democratic party ceases to be one of major parties…

            Well, the Deemocrats have essentially reinvented their brand before now by flopping poles, so they can do it again…or expire.¬† I’m good…

          • “I can‚Äôt buy that 90% of an entire segment of the population is that blind.”

            Really?  The very same segment of the population the majority of which still believes OJ was and is innocent!!!!

        • Yes, like when Saddam won 99% of the vote or whatever it was. In that case, it still shows a cultural dysfunction because a healthy culture would not put up with it.

          • I think we can safely agree that in fact 99% of the population might conceivably have voted for him, but in their hearts, 99% of them did not in fact support him.

  • I think that the hidden message here isn’t that Al Qaeda is poking a US President in the eye; that’s what they do no matter how things are going.¬† I think it’s more the fact that it feels as if they are gleeful as they mock the USA this time.¬† In the past, their snarky and/or in-your-face pronouncements made you think of a boxer who brags that his opponent’s hands must be very sore.¬† Or maybe it’s just that the criticism hits a little closer to home because, as you note, the list of demands isn’t that far from what the administration has been after on its own.

    • The striking thing is that they are telling Obama to remove troops from A’stan, and he has a firm schedule for doing so.

      I don’t see how any intelligent person could support a firm schedule for withdraw in a situation like that. Unless you assume the person doesn’t care if we win.

      • Meh. I think a firm schedule has some advantages too, mainly for convincing the locals to get their act together. Now, it has drawbacks as well, and I am not sure I’d be so firm on a certain date, but its a strategy. If the enemy agrees with your strategy but they lost, who cares? Take Iraq, which is not 100% safe, but if we leave probably will not disintegrate.

  • While your rather juvenile ODS has embittered your soul to the point that you feel compelled to lash out against him daily, the hypocrisy of making “popularity on the world stage” a point of honor is amazing!¬† I mean,when Bush was unpopular for his actions, the right was saying that world popularity is not the job of the President.¬† Face it, Obama is doing what he has to do as President, and no American President is going to be popular with al qaeda, or many in the Mideast.¬† It goes with the job.¬†¬† I still feel a lot better with an intelligent leader in the White House who surrounds himself with people who have diverse opinions and makes tough choices than the last guy, who only seemed to figure out how to govern by his sixth year.¬† History will prove you wrong…of course, you should be used to that now!

    • Bruce is not bemoaning that the world likes or dislikes Obama.¬† He is making the point that even terrorist groups like Al Qaeda are mocking him for faltering on the global stage.¬† I don’t think we should take these kinds of pronouncements from Al Qaeda seriously, since usually their message is pretty far outside of reality.¬† They do seem to be mocking him with some glee that I doubt that they would have reserved for President Bush.¬† Bush made them angry.¬† Obama appears to make them giggle condescendingly.

      • Yes, they mocked Bush too.¬†¬† They’ll mock whomever is President.¬† I guess you guys suddenly think al qaeda is trustworthy in their political commentary?¬†¬† Bush did not make them angry, Bush was a godsend to them.¬† His failures ignited rage against the US, and the US fell from atop the world stage due to the fiascos of the Bush era (not all Bush’s fault, to be sure, the seeds of a US decline were laid in a bipartisan set of errors starting in the 1980s).¬†¬† Bush was al qaeda’s best friend, they were sorry to see him go.

    • Summer off so you’re letting the recreational drugs take your mind out for a spin eh?
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      So, exactly, because I’m curious, how did you get those hallucinogens back into the US?¬† Fake scrip written for you by an Austrian doctor with a name like Zigmann Fraud?
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      “and makes tough choices than the last guy”¬† – I like this – “tough choices”
      golf in Illinois, Florida or DC?
      Who should we invite to the White House next for a party?
      Chicken Kiev for supper or Chicken Marengo?
      Am I ready for another vacation or should I take another trip to the Gulf and do pensive looking photo ops?
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    • Your rather juvenile ODS has embittered your soul to the point that you feel compelled to lash out against him daily. And that’s nothing at all like the lashing out against Bush that I and my wise leftists buddies did. Nothing like it at all. I decree it. And don’t start up with your so-called “evidence” about Obama’s incompetence, and all your facts and numbers and graphs, because we post-modernists with godlike powers of political science know how to wave that stuff right into non-existence.

      Your hypocrisy of making ‚Äúpopularity on the world stage‚ÄĚ a point of honor is amazing! And that’s not either a strawman different from what you said! I need you to have said that, so by the holy writ of post-modernism, I decree that you did in fact say it. Suck on it. And don’t start up with how being “popular” is different from getting “respect” and other such misguided attempts to change the subject away from my righteous, passionate, certainly-not-religiously-motivated criticism of your nasty Obama bashing.

      Face it, Obama is doing what he has to do as President. Well, he is! Stop laughing! And don’t start up with your inbred redneck humor of “Yep, he’s doin what he has to, and he’s sucking at it!” Stop laughing, I said!

      No American President is going to be popular with al qaeda, or many in the Mideast. That’s not a trite, obvious statement, that’s analyis! Well, it is!

      I still feel a lot better with an intelligent leader in the White House who surrounds himself with people who have diverse opinions and makes tough choices. Yes, spending huge piles of other people’s money is a really tough choice. Stop laughing, dammit! And his people do indeed have diverse opinions, running all the way from outright communism to pragmatic, common sense left-liberalism. Hey, stop laughing! You’re gonna choke on something!

      The last guy (who, like Voldemort, cannot be named, but I’m sure glad his regime is over, finally) only seemed to figure out how to govern by his sixth year. Because those wars he started, even the one in Afghanistan, were unnecessary, and morally wrong, and showed imperialist aggression, and above all were just icky. After 9/11, we should have just sucked it up and reached out to the Muslims whose delicate sensibilities we have upset so badly. If we had just prostrated ourselves and confessed to our sins, I’m absolutely positive they would have committed to never, ever killing 3000 people in one day again. I decree it.

      But you’re so sure Obama is failing. History will prove you wrong. Of course, you should be used to that now! You get everything wrong! So don’t you dare start up about how you said the stimulus wouldn’t help, and the surge in Iraq might work, and the healthcare bill would lead to bad results, and maybe the climate change science wasn’t settled. You were wrong about all of it! All of it, you hear! Especially about climate change, you Nazi-like, inbred, sterile, mindless righties!

      And I’m right about everything! Sadr did win over Maliki! The violence in Iraq is about to start back up! Obama is going to cut spending! Iran will take over Iraq, any day now! John Kerry is a stainless knight who never told a lie and all fifty guys who criticized his service are partisan, lying hacks! Markets don’t adjust themselves! Obama is a success! He has to be! He just has to beeeeeeee! He’s the closest thing I have to a god! I can’t live with his failure!

    • Erb, you do realize you are just making a fool of yourself with your posts, right?

      • You must realize that when you insult me like that, it shows that I’m right and you are impotent and angry at my superior powers of debate and have no other response. See, you didn’t even respond to my main point, that slamming Obama because of world opinion is crazy!

        Certainly when Voldemort the previous guy was in office, you didn’t see the left going on about how we were not popular in other nations and how the rest of the world didn’t like him. No, indeed, they never did that, and … oh, look at all the nice duckies. How did they get on the table? They’re taking us to the park tomorrow. They’ve promised we can have ice cream. No, I don’t want to take my pill now, Ms. Cratchett. Well, if you insist, I guess. Oh, look, a pretty blue one. Can I get back to watching TV now? Obama is coming on in a few minutes, definitely Obama. That Christlike visage just makes me feel soooooo much better. He’s doing so well, don’t you think! He will go down in history. He’ll definitely be re-elected. What!?! Nurse, that mean man said Obama wasn’t going to be re-elected! Make him stop! Oh, what’s that purple stuff flowing from the ceiling? It has sparkles in it.

      • You guys are caught up in some kind of right wing narrative silliness.¬† I’m a voice of sanity and reality trying to break you from your delusions.

        • “I‚Äôm a voice of sanity and reality trying to break you from your delusions.”
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          Now I know you’re doing this as a put on.

  • the hypocrisy of making ‚Äúpopularity on the world stage‚ÄĚ a point of honor is amazing!

    Irony of the day alert…!!!!
     

  • Interesting that after the news breaks than the withdrawal timeframe for Afghanistan is “firm”, al Qaeda pokes its head out of the cave and pretends like it winning this 9 year confrontation by dictating terms of “peace”.

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    Why is that interesting?
    We’ve discussed this before… that the rantings of madmen shouldn’t have any influence on how we choose or implement our foreign policy.
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    It’s akin to suggesting that since one demands that the mailman gets off one’s property after the mail has been delivered, that when the mailman does go on about his business, one claims victory.
    Who cares what Al Qaeda wants or demands?  And who cares if they can read poll numbers?
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    The numbers suggest that, generally speaking, Obama is merely doing what the public wants – getting us the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan.¬† It’s the one area that the public is in favor of what Obama is doing.
    I hope that you are not suggesting that since Al Qaeda can read poll numbers, that we should do or do not do what they want us to do.
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    I don’t care what they want us to do.¬† I only care what we want us to do.
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    Cheers.

    • Why is it interesting?

      Because I thought so — that’s why I said it.

    • For me the thing is that Obama played into their hands when he set the deadline for our retreat in A’stan. I sort of assumed he would break that promise. But just making it is stupid.

      • The US economy is weak, the world is a deep economic crisis caused by thirty years of debt accumulation (public and private) de-regulation (which people now realize was based on a naive faith in markets), demographic shifts and energy crises.¬† Meanwhile, US military power has been shown to have real and profound limits due to the failures in Iraq and Afghanistan.¬† The US has to completely rethink both it’s economic and foreign policies.¬† We need to retreat from imperialist thinking, or some kind of fantasy that we can “spread democracy” or that our economic system is working.¬†¬† We’re in severe decline, Obama can’t stop that, hopefully he can get us to confront reality.

        • Failures in Iraq?

          • Yeah, that’s what sunk the Bush Presidency (that and of course the fact the economy collapsed because of his irrational faith in the markets and de-regulation, which meant basically a transfer of wealth to the elite from those saving for retirement).¬†¬† Iraq is the most significant failure of American foreign policy history.

        • You’re right, his responsibility is to play as many games of golf as he can while he can because that’s good for America.
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        • De-regulation? Our financial crisis resulted from massive regulation, Fannie, Freddie, etc. The debt crisis likewise is the result of socialism.

          Our decline is due to Obama, and the policies of the New Deal and Great Society. Europeans face similar (but sooner) decline from their socialism.

          • The decline is due to Obama!?¬†¬† That’s idiotic, since the foreign policy failures and economic collapse started before Obama took office.¬† The US is in decline, capitalism has been proven flawed, and capitalism caused the debt crisis.¬† Your attempt to say that Bush was a socialist is simply silly.¬†¬† Recent events have fallen in line with my recent predictions.¬† Succinctly: I’ve been proven right, and you’ve been proven wrong.¬
            smugly, scott

        • OK, Erb.¬† You have inserted the¬†Talking Points into the discussion.¬† Now you can go home and collect your 30 pieces of silver.¬† Will you be applying for Rahm’s job¬†when he gets the ax?

  • Functioning as intended.¬† Just like the oil spill was left to fester.¬† HCR was designed to make what was barely getting by fail much faster.

    • Oops.¬† Could have sworn this went to the health care story one up.¬†¬† I blame the comment system.¬†