Feminized MOH guy does part three
o, I’m not going to go into another long dissertation/Fisking. We all know how I feel. Instead I’ll just point out that Mr. Fischer is still trying to justify his nonsense and using every tactic known to those losing an argument in an attempt to salvage his battered ego. My third rebuttal (and it is extremely polite if I say so myself) is comment 5 – just below Scott Jacob’s.
If you’re unfamiliar with this little kerfuffle, start here and go here then hit the link above.
~McQ













Maybe he just wants attention…don’t feed the trolls.
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McQ I think you’re being a little too sensitive (and this is not the correct word) in this affair.
It’s demonstrably true that the actions of the soldier you have listed were heroic and worthy of the MOH.
It’s also demonstrably true that the actions of SSG Smith’s actions were the result of his unit being attacked.
However, is it also true that no MOH’s have been awarded for similar actions occuring in essentially offensive operations: al la LT Hawkins on Tarawa or the many MOH’s awarded to 8th AF members conducting bombing missions over Germany, just to list a quick two.
This is not to say that MOH’s are somehow unworthy if earned repelling attacks (although occuring in another nation’s forces, at another time, the Battle of Rorke’s Drift in 1879 in which more British VCs were awared at one time/engagment in British Military History, is one of the most celebrated in history).
I do think, however, that one can respectfully ask , without being accused of belittling the courage, sacrifice and ‘last true measure’ of those whose actions have resulted in the bestowing of the MOH, why have no MOH’s been awarded for offensive operations? I would be quite confident that recomendations have to have been made, but why no awards?
The point, Don, is every operation in which it was awarded, excepting those who fell on a grenade, was awarded for an offensive operation. The Taliban didn’t come to SSG Miller, he went to them. Same with Smith, Monti, Murphy, etc.
I agree with you about that, SSG Miller made the trip.
You know the Lytton quote, “The pen is mightier than the sword” well, Mr. Fischer, is obviously not yet fit for crayons, let alone pens.
I think you’re splitting hairs. While ‘strategically’ the US was conductive offensive operations, SSG Miller was defending his unit from an ambush. In the conduct of that defensive he took agressive action, no doubt about it.
Where are the MOH recommendations for situation in which our troops were attacking enemy postions? I ask again, where are the MOH recommendations for a Lt. Hawkins of Tarawa type action? Are we to believe that no MOH type recommendations were made for situations like I’m alluding to?
Did you read Robby Miller’s MOH citation, Don? Or the narrative? If you did you’d know that Miller’s ODA was on a patrol going into a targeted village and then into a known Taliban stronghold. That’s just like what Tarawa was, sir. We landed on a known Japanese stronghold and took the battle to them. They didn’t come find Hawkins, he landed and found them. The Talibs didn’t go find Miller hunkered down in some FOB – Miller and his ODA went and found them. That’s an OFFENSIVE operation in anyone’s book.
If you can’t see that in Miller’s actions or the mission his ODA was on, I’m not sure what to say.
And are you really trying to say this isn’t comparable to Hawkin’s citation (and this is only a part of Miller’s narrative):
Miller was badly wounded earlier in the engagement and then, finally mortally wounded. When his team was finally able to get to his body he didn’t have a single round or grenade left on his body. Not one. Talk about “last full measure”.
And then there’s this:
So Miller is responsible personally for taking out 46 killed or wounded with his SAW and the air strikes he called in combined with his fire (and that of his ODA) ended up killing or wounding 100 out of 140 man company sized unit that then withdrew from the battlefield, but that somehow doesn’t measure up to Hawkins on Tarawa? Really?
And finally this to think about:
Nope – not comparable at all, is it Don?
To answer your question “where are the MOH recommendations for a Lt. Hawkins of Tarawa type action?”, I’ll again say, “see above”.
Ok fair enough Miller’s is definately what I was talking about.
Fair enough.