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Disarmed in the War on Terror by Political Correctness
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, June 06, 2006

Read these paragraphs carefully. They're by British columnist Melanie Phillips. She's addressing the larger problem Britian faces now because it has refused to face the problem in the past. She also points to the reason why this problem now exists and continues to exist in Britain and elsewhere:
The problem lies in a refusal to acknowledge that Islamist extremism is rooted in religion. Instead, ministers and security officials prefer to think of it as a protest movement against grievances such as Iraq or Palestine, or “Islamophobia”. They simply ignore the statements and signs that show unequivocally that the aim is to Islamicise the West.

In large measure, this is the outcome of a profound loss of cultural nerve. The doctrines of multiculturalism and minority rights, themselves the outcome of a systematic onslaught by the British elite against the country’s own identity and values, have paralysed the establishment, which accordingly shies away from criticising any minority for fear of being labelled as bigoted.

As a result, it ignored the radicalisation of many British Muslims by extremist Islamic institutions. Worse still, “grievance culture” has meant that instead of fighting the paranoia and lies driving the Islamists’ hatred of the West, British society is afflicted by the very same pathology.

Minority rights doctrine has produced a moral inversion, in which those doing wrong are excused if they belong to a “victim” group, while those at the receiving end of their behaviour are blamed simply because they belong to the “oppressive” majority.

Britain effectively allowed itself to be taken hostage by militant gays, feminists or “anti-racists” who used weapons such as public vilification, moral blackmail and threats to people’s livelihoods to force the majority to give in to their demands. So when radical Islamists refused to accept minority status and insisted instead that their values must trump those of the majority, Britain had no answer.
Britian isn't the only one with no answer. I'm sure you're familiar with the recent arrests in Canada of alleged terrorists who were plotting an Oklahoma City style attack against the Canadian Security Intelligence Service building in Toronto.

Read this particular paragraph by Caroline Glick of the Jerusalem Post just as carefully as she discusses that attempt in Canada:
These men - all Muslims - who reportedly planned to blow up the headquarters of Canada's Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) in Toronto, are what Canadian officials refer to as "home-grown terrorists," and products of the "jihad generation." Before their arrests on Friday, they had never visited Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq or the Palestinian Authority. They chose the path of jihad in the streets and mosques of Toronto. They learned how to build bombs from the Internet. They trained for their mission in a training camp in Ontario.
They've never been outside the country. They've been radicalized within their own community within Canada.

Recall Phillips analysis above and now consider Glicks:
A Canadian Muslim friend who lives in Ontario told me recently that he has been unwelcome in his local mosque since the September 11 attacks on Washington and New York. His fellow Muslims have blackballed him because he made public statements critical of the hijackers and of al Qaida and the Palestinians and supportive of the US and Israel. He informed me that while in absolute numbers, mosque attendance in Canada has dropped since Sept. 11, those who continue to attend are fervent in their devotion to jihad against the Western world.

That is, the Muslims who have been forced from the organized Canadian Muslim community are those who believe in Muslim integration in the West while those who remain within that community are radical separatists who cannot abide their pro-Western Muslim brethren.

My friend and his fellow pro-Western Muslims are doubly ostracized. Not only are they rejected by their fellow Muslims who decry their denunciations of jihad, they are also rejected by the intellectual and cultural elites in their countries who insist on apologizing for jihadists in the name of multiculturalism and anti-racism.
Sound familiar?

Now, you say, why is it that has come to pass? How do you let this sort of a problem grow to the point that it is producing potential terrorists who've had both the opportunity and ability to become radicalized under your nose?

How? By continuing to turn a blind eye to reality, such as this statement:
The depth of my friend's isolation was made clear this weekend when, in the wake of the arrests of the Canadian jihad cell, Luc Portelance, the CSIS assistant director of operations told his countrymen, "It is important to know that this operation in no way reflects negatively on any specific community, or ethno-cultural group in Canada."
Well yes, it does in fact reflect negatively on a specific community and ethno-cultural group. It is a particular "community" within a particular "ethno-cultural group" which is specifically involved in this plot. And it has been allegedly aided and abeted by the religious community of that "ethno-cultural group".

The fact that it is so hard to admit that instead of spouting this pc nonsense is one of the reasons these sorts of plots continue to be uncovered to the surprise and discomfort of people in Canada and Britian.

Isn't it time all of us faced this threat head on? Isn't it time we quit mouthing politically correct platitudes which simply aren't true? Multiculturalism asserts that all cultures are to be revered and considered equal. And it uses verbal bludgeons such as "racist" or "xenophobe" or "bigot" on those who dare to question our refusal to face reality.

A culture which produces killers and bombers in the name of religious extremism is not a culture we should wish to revere, emulate or incorporate. It is an inferior culture. It should be condemned loudly and often. It should be vilified and shunned. It is a culture we should work on rooting out of our larger culture and eliminating. It is a culture we should refuse to allow the political air it needs to survive and flourish. And we should do that which is necessary to accomplish its elimination.

As Glick points out:
It is against the backdrop of the refusal of Western elites to acknowledge the fact that there is a global jihad that the true danger of radical Islam becomes clear. Many argue that the forces of global jihad are no match for their enemies because they lack regular armies.

Yet because of the defiant, irrational and immoral refusal of Western political, cultural and media elites to acknowledge the threat that internal and external jihadist forces manifest to the very notion of human freedom, they make it impossible for their societies to take measures to protect themselves.
Precisely. It's time to take stock, realize that we're being held captive by the apologists Glick mentions.

All cultures are not equal and it's high time that bit of nonsense was finally laid to rest once and for all. Belief in that myth has partially disarmed us in the War on Terror and we need to realize that, resist it and do what is necessary to protect ourselves.
 
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The next myth that needs to be addressed is the idea that multi-ethnic/multi-racial/multi-religious societies are the recipe for creating tolerant, harmonious societies — rather than the reality that they are the recipe for creating societies that are divided, discordant and unstable.
 
Written By: Jill Henry
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Again, I find myself in total agreement with you McQ. This type of story is repeated on an almost daily basis in the Jerusalem Post, Jewish World Review (which reprints columnists from other sources), and sometimes Haaretz.

Radical (Salafi) Islam is a trap which the West is walking into with both eyes closed. The only way to avoid a trap is to recognize it and then formulate a way to either avoid it or defuse it.

While in my heart of hearts I firmly believe that the majority of Western Muslims hold similar beliefs to Ms. Glick’s Canadian Muslim friend, it is hard to fight against the prevailing media and academic/political establishment which demands that Muslims be either radical Islamists or apologists for said Islamists. There are a few prominent Muslims who have stood up publicly against such things, but they have been frozen out of the general dialogue of the Muslim community by the radicals in power. For example, Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, the leader of the As-Sunnah Foundation has spoken and written at length about the dangers of Salafi extremism. As an anti-Wahabi activist, he has even been invited to speak on this topic at the White House. Every time he appears in public, however, he is condemned by prominent, radical Muslims as a deviant or traitor. When men as learned and influential as Shaykh Kabbani are so treated, without any support from our media or academic/political establishment (the multi-cultis), it sends a very poor message to the ordinary Muslim on the street.

I think that this may be part of the problem of mobilizing the moderate Muslim community in the West. When you expect people to rise up and take very public stances against some of the most influential members of their own community (radical Imams, etc.), you must give them some degree of outside support. This has been sadly lacking in the past. I acknowledge that some blogosphere types do actively support moderate Muslims, but honestly how many ordinary Americans really read (or have even heard of) Jon Henke, McQ, Dale Franks, David Horowitz, Phyllis Chesler, Daniel Pipes, etc?

PS Sorry for the shot at the QandO Team. You guys do great work, but realistically not that many Americans seem to actively read blogs. Too many still depend on Katie Couric or Oprah or whomever in the MSM for their daily news.
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
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Imagine if Luc Portelance had said honestly,
"It is important to know that this operation does reflect negatively on a specific community, and ethno-cultural group in Canada."
It’d be the first step to reforming Canada’s urban Mosque-culture.

(Snide aside: I think the UN has an opening in "deck-chair arranging." Let me encourage Monsieur Portelance to apply.)
 
Written By: grass
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Ok, let’s look at a previous incarnation of terrorism: the IRA. They were unquestionably terrorists.

Did their existance and actions mean that the entire Irish culture was "inferior". Ok, not "inferior", let’s get away from absolute rankings of cultures, it’s hardly that quantitative, even in theory. How about "evil"?
Did the IRA invalidate all of the good aspects of Irish culture?

Why is it different with Arab Islamic terrorism? Americans (and probably the west in general) aren’t nearly as familiar with Arab culture as they are with Irish, so it is harder to make that distinction. Plus, we know Irish people, or at least people of Irish descent, and Irish Catholics are for the most part aren’t considered a strange, dangerous religious nuts (though their Catholicism was a big deal at the time).

One of the problems with current Arab Islamic terrorism is specifically that they are NOT part of a multi-cultural society. In general, Arab immigrant groups appear (from what I’ve read), to still be very seperate from their hosting cultures, leading to isolation and lack of understanding on all sides.


NONE of this is in disagreement with what McQ said. "Multi-culturalism" HAS gone too far in some ways, specifically where it becomes so wrapped up in moral reletavism that direct threats are ignored. However, that is not to say that multi-culturalism has failed, only that we shouldn’t accept evil that comes from another culture any more than we should accept evil in our own. The "direct threat" isn’t all of Arab culture any more than the IRA represented all of Irish culture. The "direct threat" is specific strains of lethal islamic religious extremism.

We also need the mulsim communities to step up and condemn this extremism often and forcefully, and we need MSM to give them the air time to do it. We all need these seperated communities to start relaxing and integrating, giving us new cultural ideas as they learn as well.

The US has been a "multi-ethnic/multi-racial/multi-religious" society since it’s inception, and at least I (one of those "US-hatin’ liberals") think that it’s worked pretty damn well. We’ve done a great job assimilating the Irish (& Catholic), Italians, Jewish, Eastern Europeans, Chinese and on and on and on. We are currently doing reasonably well with the Hispanic, though it is having the usual pains and backlashes.
 
Written By: Tito
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I listened to media conference that Chief Bill Blair (chief of police in Toronto) where he prided his force on not mentioning any muslim connections at all. Pay no attention to the huge elephant in the room.
 
Written By: capt joe
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I think where people look at this wrong is not seeing jihadi/salafi/wahabbi islam as its own sick culture and think that anyone who looks to the cause of all this terrorism is racist if they point out the islam connection.
 
Written By: ChrisB
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The Oklahoma city bombers had never been to Afganistan either. David Koresh was home grown as well. You may be right that we have been far too sypathetic to the white protestant culture that spawned this violence but I don’t see that we have the political will to change it anytime soon.

All sarcasm aside you really can’t blame multiculturalism for terrorism. The Swiss are multicultural and they are about as peaceful as you get. A better fit would be to blame the increase in religious fundimentalism in the world. Those who believe in God seem to have an easy time justifing killing. That is as true of David Koresh, Pat Robertson, Osama bin laden, Timothy McVeigh, Rabbi Meyar Kahane’s followers and the Hindus in Kashmir.



 
Written By: cindyb
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." David Koresh was home grown..."

You will have to remind me of the terrorist acts he committed, as I seem to have forgotten.

"Those who believe in God seem to have an easy time justifing killing"

As do those who do not believe in God. Is there a common thread there?
 
Written By: timactual
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Having grown up and lived in London most of my life I’ve been the ’target’ of the IRA and 7/7 bombers. Had a few close shaves but I’ve made it so far.

London is a target because its a successful, prosperous, high profile centre of UK society.

Its also a majorly diverse, multicultural capital city and by the logic of the post that’s why its a target.

More accurately it’s a successful, prosperous, high profile centre of UK society because its a majorly diverse, multicultural capital city.

There’s a telling constant between the IRA /radical Muslim analogy:

London was in more danger when British troops were in N. Ireland.

London has been in more danger since British troops went to Iraq.
 
Written By: symptomless
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Cindyb you demonstrate the typical knee-jerk reaction of anti-religionists in the West.

"Those who believe in God seem to have an easy time justifying killing." This is simple anti-religious bigotry. Stop. Period. End of line.

I find it interesting that those on the left who claim to be against racism, sexism, and discrimination of any kind always fall prey to the same bigotted common denominator : hatred of religion and those who consider themselves religious. For the life of me, I cannot understand this disconnect. Either you are against discrimination and hatred on the basis of race, gender, political leanings, religion, etc. or you are not. I cannot find a gray area in these beliefs.

As to the specific persons you mentioned, none of them can claim to be mainstream. Not Robertson, not OBL, not Koresh, not McVeigh (who didn’t claim to be a religious leader as the others named do so I don’t really understand lumping him in with them), and not Kahane.

I believe that you are mistaken in your belief that religious fudamentalism is on the rise. Although there is a specific rise in Christian fundamentalism in the US and Islamic Salafism in the Arab states (and Europe), religious observance around the world, as a whole, I think you will find is at its lowest ever in the history of mankind. We live in the most secular period of human history. Even those who identify with a particular religion are (at least in the West), less likely than ever to actually be religiously observant. And remember please as regards fundamentalism, it is not representative of the mainstream of ANY world religion. It is a deviation from the established normative beliefs and practices of its parent religion. Hence Robertson may claim to speak for fundamentalist evangelical Protestants, and OBL may claim to speak for Salafis, but I suspect that both are taken with a grain of salt by most Protestants or Muslims.

As regarads the Swiss multicultural attitude relating to their apparent peaceful society, you neglect one important potential contributing factor. Switzerland is, per capita, one of the most heavily armed countries in the world. Does this contribute to a peaceful society? I don’t know, but I do know that if everyone on my block is packing submachine guns and is trained to used them, I will be prone to a complete lack of motivation to disturb the peace.
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
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I can sum up the entire problem with this one phrase:
ethno-cultural group
God help us...
 
Written By: shark
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The Oklahoma city bombers had never been to Afganistan either. David Koresh was home grown as well. You may be right that we have been far too sypathetic to the white protestant culture that spawned this violence but I don’t see that we have the political will to change it anytime soon.
Okay, so you’ve come up with 1 act of terrorism committed by an adherent to the "white protestant culture" in the last 10 years. Said adherent was widely reviled, and we here in OK cheered when the piece of sh*t was executed. My friend’s dad even dedicated a song to him on the radio: "Highway to Hell."

Muslims terrorists have committed about 5101 terror attacks in the last 5 years. According to the Pew Center’s latest survey, significant percentages of Muslims still believe terrorism to be justified and have confidence in Osama Bin Laden. I fail to see the equivalence.
 
Written By: Jordan
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Jordan,

Do a google for UVF, LVA, Orange Volunteers, UDA & Red Hand Commandos.

That should help you find a few thousand terrorist attacks perpetrated by those ‘white protestant’ groups.
 
Written By: symptomless
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Hey, Omar, Get your glasses out and read what I wrote. I’m not in favor of discrimination or hatred. I only pointed out that you pampered white boys live in glass houses. You have a habit of pointing at non-mainstream Muslims, way farther than left liberals, and unusually tasteless black people and then generalize how the general principal of trying to accept other peoples cultures and respecting their rights is what is taking this world to hell. You forget that the rest of the world has good reason to look at you with as much fear and anger as you look at them.

In this country, white male Christian terrorists have struck more often the Islamic terrorists. Hell, the Klan was a Christian organization. Mainstream religions are fine. Not just Islamic Fundamentalism has proved dangerous in the past. We see in Hindu Kashmir, the West Bank, and in the fundamentalist wing of the republican party that wants to declare South Carolina to be a “Christian State”.
 
Written By: cindyb
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Ok, let’s look at a previous incarnation of terrorism: the IRA. They were unquestionably terrorists.

[snip]

Why is it different with Arab Islamic terrorism?
The IRA never tried to spread its culture to rest of the world via violence. They tried to kick out the British and protect their own Catholic culture. Wrongly, I might add. Although Catholics in N. Ireland were presecuted by the Crown, they’re resort to terrorist tactics was unequivocally immoral and quite simply wrong.

Radical muslims, on the other hand, are keenly and openly interested in seeing the rest of the world (affectionately known as "infidels") either brought to heel under the yoke of Islam or summarily wiped from the face of the earth.

That’s quite a difference I’d say.
One of the problems with current Arab Islamic terrorism is specifically that they are NOT part of a multi-cultural society. In general, Arab immigrant groups appear (from what I’ve read), to still be very seperate from their hosting cultures, leading to isolation and lack of understanding on all sides.
This evinces a fundamental misunderstanding of what "multi-cultural" means — i.e. non-assimilation; all cultures are equally valid and no assimilation should take place.
The Oklahoma city bombers had never been to Afganistan either. David Koresh was home grown as well. You may be right that we have been far too sypathetic to the white protestant culture that spawned this violence but I don’t see that we have the political will to change it anytime soon.
First of all, you’re comparing apples to oranges (see, e.g., my first comment above). The OK City bombers were not seeking to spread their culture. They were retaliating for what they saw as oppression by the Clinton Administration. As for David Koresh ... what did he do besides get killed?
The Swiss are multicultural and they are about as peaceful as you get.
Again, while the Swiss are indeed tolerant of many cultures, they are not "multi-cultural." There is a definitive Swiss culture, although regional in nature, to which the population assimilates. They are, however, very well armed.
Jordan,

Do a google for UVF, LVA, Orange Volunteers, UDA & Red Hand Commandos.

That should help you find a few thousand terrorist attacks perpetrated by those ‘white protestant’ groups.
Are you really asserting that there is some sort of "white protestant terrorism" on par with radical muslim terrorism? You do realise that the groups you mentioned were largely responsible for killing each other don’t you? How much geopolitical influence have they had?

Again, apples and oranges.
 
Written By: MichaelW
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cindyb:

You’ve twice mentioned the Hindus in Kashmir as proponents of terrorism. Who are they fighting again?
 
Written By: MichaelW
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I’m not in favor of discrimination or hatred. I only pointed out that you pampered white boys live in glass houses.
Nothing discriminatory or hateful in that comment. (BTW, does "Omar" sound like a typical "white boy" name to you?)
You have a habit of pointing at non-mainstream Muslims, way farther than left liberals, and unusually tasteless black people and then generalize how the general principal of trying to accept other peoples cultures and respecting their rights is what is taking this world to hell.
That’s a rather calumnous accusation. Care to back that up with specifics?
In this country, white male Christian terrorists have struck more often the Islamic terrorists.
Really? Who might those terrorists be? I can’t recall one instance of a "white Christian terrorist" killing innocent people because he wanted to force people to be Christians. I think Eric Rudolph might have been close, but he was fighting what he saw as an attack on his Christian beliefs. He never mentioned anything about wanting to convert anybody (at least that I’ve ever heard).
Hell, the Klan was a Christian organization.
Well, no. It really wasn’t. Seeing as anti-Catholicism and anti-semitism were (are?) two of its main tenets, and white supremecy being its core value, it actually has historically very little to do with being Christian.
 
Written By: MichaelW
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MichaelW: "This evinces a fundamental misunderstanding of what "multi-cultural" means — i.e. non-assimilation; all cultures are equally valid and no assimilation should take place."

I was using something close to this definition of multiculturalism
"Mutual respect and tolerance" of other cultures does not mean that "all cultures are equally valid" (though what "valid" is probably not the right word), nor does it mean there is no exchange and integration. I would also stress the word "Mutual".

Another highlight: "The word [multicultural] was first used in 1957 to describe Switzerland"
 
Written By: Tito
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There’s a conflation that Christians & the Klan because, well, it certainly wasn’t (isn’t?) an organization composed of Islamics, Catholics or Jews.
However, that link is a fallacy I believe. Simply because Christians happen to be the predominate membership doesn’t make it a Christian organization.

And it’s adherents might call themselves Christians, but....well, I guess that’s up to the Lord to judge eh?
 
Written By: looker
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Are you really asserting that there is some sort of "white protestant terrorism" on par with radical muslim terrorism?

I was pointing out to Jordan that selective cherry picking and ignorance is not a valid argument, i.e there’s more than one white protestant terrorist.
You do realise that the groups you mentioned were largely responsible for killing each other don’t you?
Equally, they weren’t ’responsible for killing each other’. They were responsible for the violent murder and torture of Irish catholics and Republicans.

Is that more palatable to you because you’re not a potential victim of such terrorism?
 
Written By: symptomless
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Someone, actually CindyB, said something that positively drives me nuts, along the lines of the religious seem to have no probelm killing. Omar started on a point of the anti-religious and I’d like to go a step further...

CindyB the IRRELIGIOUS have killed more people, in the 20th Century AD both in gross terms and per capita terms than the religious EVER have! That canard don’t fly here... Between the Nazi’s (not really religious, in fact contemptous of most religion) and the technically atheist Marxist Leninists secular humans slaughtered well over 100 MILLION HUMAN BEINGS, in the 20th Century. I’m fairly certain that Bellarmine and Torquemenda never got that many, even proportionally. I’d say the next big winner would have been G/Jenghis Khan, Timuchin of the Mongols, again not a religious jihad at all, he seemed pretty much an agnostic sort of mass-murderer, anyone not Mongol would do.

So let’s have no more about the "Religious" have a propensity for mass murder. The "Believer" has a propensity for mass murder, but the Believer can believe in any number of things, the right of his children to inherit more than HE inherited (acribed to Genghis Khan), or that "there is no God but Allah and his Prophet was Mohamet", in the "Class struggle, Dialectic Materialism and the Dictatorship of the Proleteriat" or in the need for "Lebensraum" and the "Drang nacht Ost."

So as I say CindyB leave the simple-minded anti-religion crap at home...people NOT at home with God have wrought far more pain and suffering on humanity than those acting in God’s name and anyone really ought to be aware of it. I guess you just like to ignore it.... doesn’t fit in well with the world view.
 
Written By: Joe
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I was using something close to this definition of multiculturalism
"Mutual respect and tolerance" of other cultures does not mean that "all cultures are equally valid" (though what "valid" is probably not the right word), nor does it mean there is no exchange and integration. I would also stress the word "Mutual".

Another highlight: "The word [multicultural] was first used in 1957 to describe Switzerland"
Tito, you should really read the article posted at the link you cited. And by that I mean the whole thing. For example, you seemed to have missed this:
Multiculturalism: a policy that immigrants and others should preserve their cultures with the different cultures interacting peacefully within one nation. Today, this is the official policy of Canada, Australia and the UK. However, contrasting views on the Australian model articulate a fundamental shift that identifies a singular homogenised culture derived from a heterogenous society. Multiculturalism has been described as preserving a "cultural mosaic" of separate ethnic groups, and is contrasted to a "melting pot" that mixes them. This has also been described as the "salad bowl" model.
It is this modern definition (not the one used to describe Switzerland in the 1950’s) that is under discussion here.
 
Written By: MichaelW
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He never mentioned anything about wanting to convert anybody
Can you quote where Muslim extremists claim to be converting by their actions?
 
Written By: symptomless
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Is that more palatable to you because you’re not a potential victim of such terrorism?
I’m not sure how my palate entered the equation. The point of the post is that not all cultures are tolerable. Specifically, radical islamic culture should not be tolerated ... anywhere.

Bringing up Irish terrorists does not add to the conversation, unless you mean to point out that no terrorism should be supported, in which case the point is still of dubious value.

Yes, there has been more than one white protestant terrorist. What has that got to do with acceptance vel non of violent, terroristic cultures hell-bent on spreading their particular brand of fundamentalism and eliminating (in a most permanent sense) their enemies.
 
Written By: MichaelW
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Ok, symptomless here we go:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/troubles/factfiles/uvf.shtml
The Ulster Volunteer Force was formed in 1966 to combat what it saw as a rise in Irish nationalism centred on the 50th anniversary of the 1916 Easter Rising.
This has what to do with white protestant culture? I don’t know of any widespread movement in the U.S. railing against the rise of "Irish nationalism."

The LVA seems to be MIA. Google brings up nothing to do with terrorism. So, more evidence of those widespread WASP terrorists that we all cower in fear of. They’re the reason our terror alert is orange, right?

Now on to the Orange Volunteers:
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ov.htm
Terrorist group that appeared about 1998-99 and is comprised largely of disgruntled loyalist hardliners who split from groups observing the cease-fire. OV seeks to prevent a political settlement with Irish nationalists by attacking Catholic civilian interests in Northern Ireland.
[...]
Strength

Up to 20 hardcore members, some of whom are experienced in terrorist tactics and bombmaking.
Oooh, scary stuff! 20 members! Why that’s an absolute epidemic!

The UDA is another Irish terrorist organization. What about the Red Hand Volunteers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Defence_Association
The Red Hand Defenders is an organisation that formed in 1998. Its members are loyalist hard-liners that oppose the ceasefire. The organisation seems to be made up of members of the UDA/UFF and LVF - all organisations that officially denounce them. Speculation remains as to exactly what their relationships are.
So this terrorism is widespread and endemic to white protestant culture, except for the fact that it doesn’t exist outside of Ireland. A more daring observer might conclude that there’s something about Irish culture or the situation in Ireland that produces terrorism. But that’s too simple. It’s all white protestants!

Let’s see where Muslim terrorism can be found:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

Iraq, Afghanistan, India, Israel, the Palestinian territories, Ingushetia, Pakistan, Thailand, Syria, Kosovo, the Phillipines, Somalia, Chechnya, Russia, the U.S., the U.K., Spain, Germany, Indonesia, Sudan, Turkey, Algeria, Kenya, Kyrgyzstan, Jordan, Egypt, Yemen, Ethiopia, Chad, Dagestan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, France, Tajikistan.

And Muslim terrorists can be found in even more countries (ex: Canada).

How’s that for cherry picking?
 
Written By: Jordan
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I dont think you can use the Swiss as a successful example of mutliculturalism, cindyb. Language aside, east and west are still of traditional european culture.
 
Written By: bains
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There’s a telling constant between the IRA /radical Muslim analogy:
London was in more danger when British troops were in N. Ireland.
London has been in more danger since British troops went to Iraq.
And there is a good indicator to be gleened as well: How many IRA terror attacks has London been subject to lately?
 
Written By: bains
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I must certainly apologize Cindyb, I do indeed need to wipe my glasses (which I will admit are quite thick). This morning when I woke up, I first put on my glasses (again quite thick lenses, I really do need to consider Lasik), went to my bathroom, brushed my teeth, looked in the mirror and beheld anything but a pasty, pampered white person. I was horrified and dismayed.

I am now urgently in need of therapy as I seem to no longer belong to the WASP club.

Ok, apologies now because that was highly sarcastic and perhaps a bit snarky, but please please understand that I am responding to what can only be construed as a personal attack. I don’t really take it personally because it was directed against "pampered white boys," among whose ranks I cannot count myself (although I am certainly [or at least was a few decades ago before puberty] a boy).

As for the rest, I fail to see how you have responded to my assertion that you appear to have an anti-religion bias. You have mentioned fundamentalist Christians and Muslisms, indicated that mainstream religions have passed the good housekeeping seal of approval, but have still not truly demonstrated any deep committment to opposing bias against religion or the religious. In light of your demonstrated aggression against white males, I think that we may conclude that you are not even a true "liberal" or even a decent leftist. Certainly not a leftist in the tradition of those who were color-blind such as Peter Maurin, Doris Day, or Martin Luther King.

MichaelW, I appreciate your support here and although my name is not actually Omar (the signature name is actually a nickname given to me many years ago by a professor), I am, as indicated above not a WASP. Also, your points on radical Islam are well-delivered. Radicalism in any form (be it religious, political, etc.) should not be tolerated. As for the ongoing mention of radical Salafi Muslims, it should be noted that numerous knuckleheads pretending to be legitimate Islamic authorities (or the frequently cited title "Islamic clerics") issue fatwas on an almost daily basis. Sharia (Islamic law) is quite clear on the point that fatwas CANNOT be issued by any old joe calling himself a shaykh [sheikh]. Fatwas in the understanding of some schools of Islamic jurisprudence can be issued only by qualified imams or ulemas. Some jurists take this a bit further and insist that a true fatwa can only be issued by a legitimate Caliph (whom we have not had in several centuries). Fatwas issued by men such as OBL, al-Zarqawi, or radical Wahabi (Salafi) leaders have as much value as amendments to the US Constitution issued by your local PTA.

Joe, again, I’m on board with you here. I’m glad you followed up a bit more on my anti-religion post.

Lastly, the Ku Klux Klan has been mentioned a few times here. I equate them with Nazis (both the original and new improved flavor) and other racial purist types. They are essentially non-religious kooks (or should that be klooks?) despite their use of both Christian and neo-pagan symbology.




















 
Written By: The Poet Omar
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Written By: The Poet Omar
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"It is important to know that this operation in no way reflects negatively on any specific community, or ethno-cultural group in Canada."

The World Trade Centre was attacked in 1993 and destroyed by similar people in 2001, yet idiotic PC media still spout this stuff.
It encourages those internal Moslem ethnic groups to cry ’innocent’ and ’victimised’, instead of actually doing anything about the evil fascism within their midst..

Imagine the same being said in 1938 about Kristalnacht in Germany, 5 years after Hitler came to power there:
’We mustn’t associate this terrible thing with any ideology at work within Germany. ’Real’ Nazis wouldn’t approve of or plan this, they only have the good of their country at heart....’
 
Written By: barrie
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More accurately it’s a successful, prosperous, high profile centre of UK society because its a majorly diverse, multicultural capital city.
What absolute drivel ! London is a successful city because it’s the capital, because it houses all the seats of power and major businesses, because it happens to be a convenient geographical point for a bunch of Romans to build a camp. It is an ethnically diverse city BECAUSE it’s successful.....

If you ascribe London’s economic success to its ethnically diverse popultion (implying that the host people are lacking in this area), what do you say about Bradford ?
 
Written By: Blewyn
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