Jon Henke
Bruce "McQ" McQuain
Dale Franks
Bryan Pick
Billy Hollis
Lance Paddock


Recent Posts
The Ayers Resurrection Tour
Special Friends Get Special Breaks
One Hour
The Hope and Change Express - stalled in the slow lane
Michael Steele New RNC Chairman
Things that make you go "hmmmm"...
Oh yeah, that "rule of law" thing ...
Putting Dollar Signs in Front Of The AGW Hoax
Moving toward a 60 vote majority?
Do As I Say ....
QandO Newsroom

Newsroom Home Page

US News

US National News

International News

Top World New
Iraq News
Mideast Conflict


Blogpulse Daily Highlights
Daypop Top 40 Links


Regional News


News Publications

Blogging: the price of political clout
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, July 06, 2006

Most bloggers are aware of the war of words going on between The New Republic and the Daily Kos. It is all a part of the emerging clout of political blogs and a bit of push back from the old media.

Naturally, with the emergence of clout comes scrutiny which, heretofore, wasn't a part of the game. When blogs were first arrived on the scene they were viewed a bit like someone might view a lion cub - cute and non-threatening. But lion cubs come of age, and at some point they're no longer that cute and they certainly aren't "non-threatening".

That's the position now held by political blogs, and, certainly, some more than others.

We've talked (podcasts) and written extensively about this phenomenon and how the left side of the blogosphere is quite different than the right. On the left, activists rule, party orthodoxy is stressed and the net roots crowd isn't just throwing out advise, they're looking to dominate the discussion and take over. To some extent they're becoming increasingly successful:
And the political blogosphere's influence, both on line and off, has been growing. Daily Kos, for example, attracts more than 4 million page views each week, and a recent bloggers' convention in Las Vegas named for Moulitsas attracted numerous Democratic presidential hopefuls.
That sort of influence is bound to attract attention, and, unsurprisingly, it has. Naturally not all attention is welcome attention. And it is that sort of attention which is now focused on blogs like Daily Kos by the old media which has ignited these exchanges, and unfortunately more:
When a writer for The New Republic, the 92-year-old doyen of elite Washington opinion journals, accused the nation's most prominent political blogger of using his on line clout to hush up a potential scandal involving a former business partner, he knew there might be some backlash from the so-called ``new media."

But he didn't expect death threats.

``This wasn't meant to be a big fight," a tired-sounding Jason Zengerle, senior editor for The New Republic, said in a telephone interview last week.

Nonetheless, Zengerle's posting has sparked a steadily escalating uproar among scores of liberal bloggers who rushed to their keyboards in defense of Markos ``Kos" Moulitsas Zúniga , the founder of the popular blog Daily Kos. But the posting has also prompted ``old media" outlets — like the conservative National Review and New York Times columnist David Brooks — to pick up on what some insist is the first scandal to hit the political blogosphere.
Death threats? Yes, friends, I know, bloggers have no control over their commenter's or supporters, but they can make it understood death threats, or threats of any type, are unacceptable for anyone trying to speak for or support them. This is a war of ideas. But that's not the point of this piece.

The point is that the scrutiny of bloggers with clout is just as warranted as bloggers scrutiny of media outlets and journalists or politicians. When bloggers begin to shape policy and dominate a political party's conversation, journalists are going to begin to ask a lot of questions. And rightfully so.
Now, as readers of political blogs await the next chapter in an increasingly vituperative on line battle — Moulitsas has called The New Republic ``Lieberman- worshiping" neocons ' while Zengerle says Moulitsas operates ``the digital equivalent of a smoke-filled backroom" — some outside observers believe the dust-up may be a benchmark in the blogosphere's entrance into mainstream politics, as blogs begin to face the same level of scrutiny as traditional media outlets.

``The blogosphere has always been mainly about scrutinizing everybody else and expressing violent opinions about them," said Alex S. Jones , director of Harvard's Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy. ``Kos is a very powerful blog, so in that sense it's taken on the vulnerability of one of the [political] leaders."
Welcome to "The Show".
``This fight is saying `Welcome to the big leagues,' " said Richard Bradley , the former editor of George Magazine and a blogger himself. ``If you want us to take you seriously, we're going to ask you the same questions that we ask anyone else who aspires to be a power-player in Democratic politics."
What is going on right now is the transformation of at least part of the blogosphere from a lion cub to the adult lion. Because of his outspokenness (TNR as a bunch of "Lieberman- worshiping" neocons') and direct involvement in political campaigns (CA 50 and, of course, Lamont, etc.), fund raising and political consulting, Kos moves from another medium reporting and commenting on the news to a maker of news.

Fair game in the world of journalism.

What sparked the war with TNR began in June:


The exchange continues with charges flying from each side.

But when reviewing the story, I couldn't but help take the side of TNR. This is a legitimate story. If Kos ran a blog with 50 readers a week, no one would care. He doesn't:
This increased scrutiny may be a natural progression for the liberal blog bloc, which has been credited with several recent political successes, such as fueling the campaign of Ned Lamont , an antiwar candidate who is challenging Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut for his US Senate seat. With fund-raising help from bloggers like Moulitsas, Lamont forced an August primary against Lieberman and has pulled within striking distance of the longtime incumbent.

``There's no question that no one would care whether Kos was corrupt if he was absolutely powerless or irrelevant," Bradley said. ``The reason it's a serious question is because the guy's come to wield some clout."

The June convention in Las Vegas, dubbed Yearly Kos, included a $50,000 party thrown by Warner and appearances by Senate minority leader Harry Reid , Democrat of Nevada, and several potential 2008 Democratic presidential contenders, all lobbying for the bloggers' support.
But that's not to say some of TNR's focus and attention isn't a bit of payback. And then too there's that bit of elitism which sneaks in there which keeps you from taking TNR's side completely:
``Look, they beat up on us all the time," Zengerle said. ``I mean, what do they call us, `The Joe Lieberman Weekly,' stuff like that. That is kind of ridiculous on its face."

And Franklin Foer, editor of The New Republic, said he was not impressed with the Daily Kos crowd.

``The liberal blogosphere are a group of people who feel incredibly disenfranchised. They feel their country's been hijacked and they're essentially powerless and the only way to stop it is to scream as loudly as you can," Foer said.
The blog insurgency will continue and, in fact, probably escalate. As this evolution continues, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Will the old media try to co opt the more successful portions of new media? Will it find that "warring" with bloggers is good for business? Will it, at some point, embrace the blogosphere?

Who knows?

But the one thing that is becoming increasingly apparent is it can not afford to ignore it any longer.

UPDATE: Adam Bulger of the Hartford Advocate asks of the Lieberman/Lamont primary battle, "Will an online squabble effect the race?" Bulger comes down on the side of the Kossaks:


More in an NRO editorial.
Return to Main Blog Page

Previous Comments to this Post 

``The liberal blogosphere are a group of people who feel incredibly disenfranchised. They feel their country’s been hijacked and they’re essentially powerless and the only way to stop it is to scream as loudly as you can," Foer said.
Seems accurate to me.

But god bless Kos and his criminal partner Jerome.

If they weren’t around, Rove (still unindicted btw) would have to invent them.

He’s done more damage to his party than he can ever know. I see Joe Lieberman is going to run as an independent if Lamont wins. Heh.

Way to go Kos!

Written By: shark
URL: http://
I’m reserving judgement on the effectiveness of the DailyKos on the political process. Even with his fundraising and vocal support of various candidates, to my knowledge he has yet to get anyone elected. With Lamont he might actually get someone through a primary this year, but I suspect that Lamont won’t (or possible can’t) win the general election if Leiberman is present as an independent to divide the vote.

Kos is a leftwing lightning rod. His supporters are very vocal and very active. They might be able to get someone through a party primary this year. I think he may very likely become a primary king-maker in the near term, especially as the democratic voter base ages. Primaries can be dominated by extremist ideologues.

But I don’t see him getting people through the general election. General elections are won by shuffling towards the center to align yourself with the general population. Kos isn’t a centrist and he is incapable of centrism. He is ultimately intolerant of anyone who even attempts centrism, like Lieberman or much of the DLC. Centrism is anathema to him.

I just don’t see him leading the Democrats to glory. I can see him leading Democrats to successful primary contests, but not through a successful general election. His view of the general population is too skewed for that. But I could be wrong and it wouldn’t be the first time.
Written By: Jeff the Baptist
Comon, the KC Royals win more than this fool
Written By: shark
URL: http://
Well it’s fun to lampoon his losing streak, but sooner or later he’ll win one. Ornery and others might not like this, but Kos’ problem is that he forces the Party to the Left, constantly. He may not ENLARGE the party but he might SOLIDIFY it as a very left-of-centre party. Which is not good politics, in an American-style system, UNLESS Progressives are a plurality of voters and I don’t think that’s true. If he can solidify the party then he will start winning...after all once everyone thinks like you it’s easier to produce viable candidates to support and win elections.
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
Kos wants to criticize without anyone doing the same to him...

Don’t stay in the kitchen if you can’t stand the heat...
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
Jon you pointed out that the Kos-New Republic brawl is a war of ideas. That is certainly true, but I think the reason for the absolute brutality of this particular war can be found in the nature of the combatants. All involved here are leftists (some more moderate than others). One of the godfathers of leftism, Vladimir Lenin claimed very openly that "an idea is like a gun, if I wouldn’t let my enemy have a gun, why would I let him have an idea." I may be slightly misquoting there, but you get the gist. Leftists cannot and will not ever allow their enemies to have an idea. If their opponent comes up with something new and interesting, they must bury it. Period. Never give ground, never let the enemy have an idea (a weapon). Destroy the idea so that your opponent will always face you unarmed. This is the vicious heart of leftism. We are simply seeing a left v. left fight exposed in public on a fairly large scale for the first time in years. Expect this to get a lot worse. The nuclear option will be exercised.
Written By: The Poet Omar
URL: http://
Wrong attribution here. Sorry I meant to credit this article to McQ not Jon.
Written By: The Poet Omar
URL: http://

Add Your Comment
  NOTICE: While we don't wish to censor your thoughts, we do blacklist certain terms of profanity or obscenity. This is not to muzzle you, but to ensure that the blog remains work-safe for our readers. If you wish to use profanity, simply insert asterisks (*) where the vowels usually go. Your meaning will still be clear, but our readers will be able to view the blog without worrying that content monitoring will get them in trouble when reading it.
Comments for this entry are closed.
HTML Tools:
Bold Italic Blockquote Hyperlink
Vicious Capitalism


Buy Dale's Book!
Slackernomics by Dale Franks