April 12, 2004

British Wing-nut thinks current US effort reminiscent of Nazis
Posted by McQ

Excuse me while I vent.

Its nice to know the world of idiotic generalities and stupid statements isn't strictly a phenomenon of American politics. Apparently "senior" British Army officers have a bit of a corner on it as well.

Below read one of the most ill-informed, ignorant and just flat STUPID statements I've read in a long time.

One senior Army officer told The Telegraph that America's aggressive methods were causing friction among allied commanders and that there was a growing sense of "unease and frustration" among the British high command.

The officer, who agreed to the interview on the condition of anonymity, said that part of the problem was that American troops viewed Iraqis as untermenschen - the Nazi expression for "sub-humans".

Speaking from his base in southern Iraq, the officer said: "My view and the view of the British chain of command is that the Americans' use of violence is not proportionate and is over-responsive to the threat they are facing. They don't see the Iraqi people the way we see them. They view them as untermenschen. They are not concerned about the Iraqi loss of life in the way the British are. Their attitude towards the Iraqis is tragic, it's awful.

"The US troops view things in very simplistic terms. It seems hard for them to reconcile subtleties between who supports what and who doesn't in Iraq. It's easier for their soldiers to group all Iraqis as the bad guys. As far as they are concerned Iraq is bandit country and everybody is out to kill them."

Yup ... If I were that "senior" British Army officer, and said something that freaking dumb, I'd demand anonymity too. I'd not want anyone to know my identity as they'd immediately call into question whether I had the mental acquity necessary to lead troops and represent my country successfully. These are the words of someone who seems so ignorant and ill informed that should he be identified, his boss would immediately have to question his worth to the British efffort there.

"They are not concerned about the Iraqi loss of life in the way the British are."

What absolute nonsense.

The Brits have the easiest duty in Iraq, administering the CPA South which includes an almost homogeneous moderate Shiite population which is generally pro-western. Had this officious nincompoop been faced with the Sunni Triangle, Saddam Fedeyene, Shiite radicals, ex-Ba'athists, IEDs and the capital city of 5 million, its quite possible his simplistic and smug assessment would have changed dramatically.

While this insufferable fool was pontificating, one wonders if he bothered to check the status of the north where Americans, faced with essentially the same conditions the British have in the south, are doing QUITE WELL, thank you very much.

"They don't see the Iraqi people the way we see them. They view them as untermenschen."

In a word, bullshit.

Stories abound, for those with the will and desire to find them, which point to how ludicrous this statement is in reality.

The comparison to Nazi ideology is telling and inexcusable.

Fallujah, per this mental midget, now equals the Warsaw Ghetto.

This sort of generaliztion has no business being said officially or "anonymously", ESPECIALLY by a 'senior' officer or an ally. Any "senior" officer with the brain of a gnat would know that. Thus the plea for anonymity.

Anyone who's passingly familiar with history must immediately question this bleating baffoon's grasp of history as well as his ability to place in historical context the events taking place in Iraq today as compared to those which were evident in Nazi Germany. It is obvious, in the case of this nattering nincompoop that he is ignorant of the history and/or hasn't the ability to make that distinction. In his desire and apparent need to pat himself on the back, he completley distorts that context in order to make his disgustingly dishonest point.

Its a bit disconcerting that someone identified as 'senior' in the British Army is making such assinine and shallow assessments and comparisons of what an ally is going through. To compare the tactics and thinking in the US effort in Iraq as on par with Nazi occupation is, frankly, more indicative of his profound ignorance and stupidity than any truth of the situation in Iraq.

Its a pity that somone of this ilk has command of good British troops. But then, the Tommy has always been known as one of the best fighting but worst led soldiers in the world. Speaking of stereotypes (and I certainly admit to this being one), this historically illiterate idiot makes that particular one seem to be true.

Its a good thing the Brits were given the south. This smug and self-deluded cretin couldn't have handled anything more difficult.

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Everything with these douchebags is Nazi, nazi, nazi, Hitler.

Get these fuckwads down to the Holocaust Museum and let them learn what Nazi and Hitler REAALLY mean.

Ignorant fuckwits...

Posted by: shark at April 12, 2004 01:09 PM

Isn't it about time we had Godwin's Law codified at the UN?

Posted by: Jon Henke at April 12, 2004 01:13 PM

Amritsar, the Black Hole of Calcutta, Long Kesh,
Strormont, the Boer camps in S. Africa; the pride
of British counterinsurgency

Posted by: NARCISO at April 12, 2004 01:51 PM

"Godwin's Law" was utterly idiotic by the time it first hit Usenet, Jon. There really are sometimes valid comparisons to be made between Hitler and others, and this ridiculous "law" is most often simply an excuse to dodge the necessary implications of principles.

The answer to your question is: no. There is no arbitrary "law" to be applied to something so dependent on context. Generally, when I see someone invoke this, I know I'm in the presence of a person who finds thought strenuous, and who should not bother to try.

Posted by: Billy Beck at April 12, 2004 02:09 PM

If this is true, they don't make Brit generals the way they used to -- and I've encountered at least one in my life.

The more typical British officer is like a Royal Navy captain who was giving a talk in Newmarket, Suffolk, on why they -- and we Yanks -- were opposing the Soviet Union and its allies. I'll call him Captain Jack. After his presentation, some Brit matron asked in an imperious tone, "when is all this madness going to end?" Without hesitation, Captain Jack dropped into his best John Cleese persona, clapped his hands together and said, "Right! When is all the madness going to end?" Then he proceeded to apply a few irrefutable facts to the stuffy matron.

They still make them like that, don't they?

Posted by: George at April 12, 2004 04:55 PM

Unclench, Billy. It was a joke.

I don't think Godwin's Law should really be a law. In fact, I don't think the UN makes "laws" in the first place.

I think "Godwin's Law" has a place when it comes to hyperbole, though there are certainly instances where Hitler is a good comparison. He is, after all, a perfect archetype for a great many evils.

I like you, and I think you're an intelligent fellow...but it's quite annoying to have somebody suggest I find "thought strenuous" when they merely disagree with me. Or fail to understand my comment.

Posted by: Jon Henke at April 12, 2004 05:07 PM

Jon -- See that word, "generally"? There is a reason for that. I was not talking about you. If I had been, I would have said so.

Posted by: Billy Beck at April 13, 2004 12:16 AM

In that case, I apologize for my last paragraph.

Posted by: Jon Henke at April 13, 2004 05:44 AM

Nothin' to it. It can take a while to get to know each other like this.

Posted by: Billy Beck at April 13, 2004 05:53 PM

Heh....text is an amazingly limited means of communication, isn't it?

Posted by: Jon Henke at April 13, 2004 06:05 PM

You know what? I find it nearly completely the reverse. As long as everyone understands and attends the precision that the medium demands, it really works for me. It has been my experience, however, that fairly few people are disciplined to that aspect of it. It's as if they grow up taking written words for granted all their lives, and all the bolt-holes get sloppy, over time.

I'll tell you what, though: a decade of intense activity online will either sharpen one's edges or drive him straight to heroin.

Posted by: Billy Beck at April 13, 2004 10:20 PM