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The Moonbats, who are increasingly more and more in charge of the Party, will never let someone who follows the tenets to be their candidate. The moonbats will certainly not believe that those tenets are the way to win. The MoveOn’s, ACT’s, DUers, etc, might even reject Hillary if she continues her apparent march to the center, favoring a second run for Kerry. I still see posts on the DU that say that Kerry just couldn’t get his message out there, because Dem stances are too nuanced for the average American. Plus they figure that Bush only beat kerry because of fraud. Total denial.

Written By: William Teach
URL: http://piratescove.typepad.com/piratescove
The first step in change is to admit you have a problem. The Democrats absolutely must take that step before any advice will do them any good.

They are convinced that their generally-leftist vision for running the country is sound. It’s not, and average people see that. We’ve had a century or so now in which various leftist/socialist paradigms have been tried all over the world, and they’ve always failed in the long term, every single time. A majority of voters see that.

So the Democrats first have to recognize the problem of subscribing to leftist high-tax, high-spend, European welfare state thought as the foundation for their governing philosophy. There is indeed a constituency for their philosophy in America, but not a majority. I don’t see any way to adapt it to attract a majority. Trying to cover it up or obfuscate the issues (as John Kerry did) goes counter to the other characteristics of desirable candidates mentioned in the article.

Admitting that they are wrong is much, much tougher than most non-leftists understand. In essense, for many of these people, leftism is a faith. It is the substitute for spiritual connection in their lives that many conservatives get via religion. Giving up a faith is very hard. Some can never do it - think of those aging hippies in the current peace protests. Others need overwhelming evidence. That means losing a lot more elections to the Republicans.

Unfortunately, due to Republican ineptitude, and resulting disgust in the electorate, Democrats are likely to get a few more sporadic chances like they had with Clinton. Each one of them raises the false hope that they are on the verge of taking back what they view as rightly theirs - control of the federal government. And each one just cements further in the public mind that Democrats can’t be trusted with the job.

Written By: Billy Hollis
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Stepping into the Wayback Machine, we find that in the pre-Depression era the Republicans were the progressive party (see Roosevelt, Teddy) and the Democrats were the conservative, reactionary party (see Reconstruction). What FDR managed to do was re-cast the Democratic party by leap-frogging the Republicans and becoming MORE progressive (to the point of socialism). This meant abandoning many long-held Democratic positions, but it brought them to power for the first time since the end of the Civil War.


The Democrats need to do something similar now. They need to leap-frog the Republicans to become THE party of national defense. This need not mean invading every country that thumbs its nose at us. But it could mean: pulling out of the UN since it gives equal representation to oppressors and tyrants; securing our borders to allow only legal immigration and a competently administered guest worker program; bolstering our intelligence agencies on the bet that better intelligence can prevent wars and terrorist attacks. This means abandoning their long-held desire for more world governance and potentially angering Hispanic voters. But it would go a long way to countering the strength of the Republican party.


The next question is: is it worth selling out your principles in order to gain power for your party? That is the question that all politicians should consider, but rarely do.

Written By: Dan
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I also concur with Billy’s analysis. The Democrats need to get over their infatuation with socialism, and instead focus on how capitalism and deregulation help the Little Guy. If they do that, they don’t appear to be abandoning a core principle so much as accepting new means to accomplish a grand and noble goal. And rich and middle class Americans can sign onto those kinds of ideas for helping said Little Guy, because it doesn’t mean screwing themselves to do it. Clinton had a little bit of that when he said, "You can’t be pro-jobs and anti-business." The Dems need to think more like that.

Written By: Dan
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The arrogance of the Dems never ceases to bring a smile to my face. They view anyone who doesn’t agree with them as intellectual inferiors: in other words WE just aren’t smart enough to "get it"!!!!If that isn’t intolerance.... Do I think the Democratic operatives will look at this analysis and moderate their positions,their candidates ,(or their rhetoric?)???? Nah, it’s just not in ’em! Remember, they think it’s everyone else who is off the mark. By the way ,will Oprah be Barak Obama’s running mate? Lord help us all!!!!!!!

Written By: Lisa
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I think the analysis is reasonably accurate, but it will probably take another defeat at the polls for the Democratic Party to conclude that they have a problem. All the kertuffle regarding Rove, Frist and DeLay will probably work to the Repuiblicans’ advantage, since those currently controlling the Democratic Party will see this kertuffle as an opportunity to regain political power without having to make the painful adjustments that the analysis suggests must be made if the Democrats are to win elections. As for the junior senator from Illinois, he needs a lot more seasoning before he can command a position on the national stage.

Written By: RAZ
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As for the junior senator from Illinois, he needs a lot more seasoning before he can command a position on the national stage.

I don’t disagree, RAZ,which is why I phrased it as it being someone "on the horizon". Personally I don’t see any of the present crop as able to overcome the myths. But one thing Obama must do if he wants to be a viable candidate is avoid being too closely associated with the race warlords. I’m not sure he’ll be able to do that.

Written By: McQ
URL: http://qando.net
Cheney is about to be indicted, there is an arrest warrant out for Tom Delay, Frist in all likelihood engaged in insider trading and today, for the first time, there is more than hard evidence that Bush lied to the American people in order to protect a traitor in his administration. Not to mention the Libbys Hadleys, Hannahs, Wurmsers and the rest who are about to be sharing a cell with a guy named Bubba.

The modern GOP is the most corrupt party in history. And it is the Dems who have a problem? You people are so freaking out of touch with reality that it is simply breathtaking.

Wow.




Written By: mkultra
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They are convinced that their generally-leftist vision for running the country is sound. It’s not, and average people see that. We’ve had a century or so now in which various leftist/socialist paradigms have been tried all over the world, and they’ve always failed in the long term, every single time. A majority of voters see that.
Yes, the public just hated all that prosperity in the 90’s when Clinton was in charge. Booming stock market, no deficits, etc. It was a bitch.

Loook, the proof is in the pudding. Compare blue states with red states. Which are most proseprous? Blue states. Most educated? Blue states. Net givers to the federal budget? Blue states. Best colleges and universities? Blue states. Most techmologically advanced? Blue states. Look at every single quality of life index and you will see Blue states at the top and Red states at the bottom. Coincidence? No. Red states tend to be run by the GOP.





Written By: mkultra
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You people are so freaking out of touch with reality that it is simply breathtaking.

We didn’t write the study, MK ... two Democrats did or did that get by you?

But hey, keep living in the minute and screw the future and everything will work out, huh?


Written By: McQ
URL: http://qando.net
Loook, the proof is in the pudding. Compare blue states with red states. Which are most proseprous? Blue states. Most educated? Blue states. Net givers to the federal budget? Blue states. Best colleges and universities? Blue states. Most techmologically advanced? Blue states. Look at every single quality of life index and you will see Blue states at the top and Red states at the bottom. Coincidence? No. Red states tend to be run by the GOP.

LOL!

You are the guy they’re talking about MK ... the Chief of Smoke and Mirrors, the true believer in all 4 myths. What’s so ironically delicious about it all is you don’t even realize at you spout what they decry.

Thanks for all but proving their thesis.

Written By: McQ
URL: http://qando.net
But hey, keep living in the minute and screw the future and everything will work out, huh?
GOP = traitor. Gonna take about 30 years to remove that stain.
You are the guy they’re talking about MK ... the Chief of Smoke and Mirrors, the true believer in all 4 myths. What’s so ironically delicious about it all is you don’t even realize at you spout what they decry.

Thanks for all but proving their thesis.
This is a common technique of the right - rather than engaging the point, the intellectually lazy on the right say: "Your response proves my point." And they leave it at that. Not that they ever had a point in the first place, but it is a common response nevertheless.

You have bought into the myth of GOP superiority. Hubris. Arrogance. It gets you guys every time. Got Nixon, got Reagan, and now it is getting Chimpy. That’s why you never sustain a majority for any significant period of time. The Dems had the Congress for 40 years. The Rethugs have had it for just a few. And now they are just pissing it away.

Yes, the GOP is just so much better than the Dems. Please keep thinking that. Please.

Thanks for your help.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.






Written By: mkultra
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What about Bill Richardson? Not terribly familiar with the guy, but I’ve liked some of what I heard.

Written By: J
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What about Bill Richardson?

He’s actually a good possiblity, J. UN Ambassador, governor, congressman and Sec of Energy (and Hispanic I believe), he’s more in the Clinton mode and I would guess be willing to consider what those who wrote the study have to say and implement the strategy they recommend.

Written By: McQ
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Mku asks folks to compare blue and red states.

Fair enough.

Louisiana.

Mississippi.

’Nuff said?

Written By: Lurking Observer
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Comparing blue and red states isn’t indicative of a whole lot really- most blue states have Republican governors right now (and Michigan, NJ and Pennsylvania had a GOP governor prior to the most recent election). So they voted for Kerry or Gore but have Republican governors.

Wasn’t Purdue the first Georgian Republican governor since Reconstruction? I know there were a lot of "first republican whatever since whenever" in south during the late 90s.



Written By: h0mi
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As usual, there is a progressive in the house who is unable to deal with the topic at hand, ie, what McQ’s post was about. Deflectarama. Which is another in the long line of reasons why the Left keeps losing, and looks increasingly more and more desparate. Anti American is a discussion for later.

So, mkultra, anything to say regarding the Democratic issues?

Written By: William Teach
URL: http://www.thepiratescove.us
rather than engaging the point
What was the point of the post, MK?

Written By: JWG
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Barrack Obama could go to the right a bit and win because as a minority he has "lib cred." If he goes left or doesn’t go right, he will win the base and lose the rest.

Remember, the black vote is already Dem - so he won’t help unless he pulls in conservative and moderates.

It’s sad to say that the Dems need someone like Obama, though.

Written By: Harun
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Barak won’t help them. He’ll be seduced by the Dark Side. Democrats have a problem with their religion, better known as socialism. Socialism isn’t just a faith, it is a full blown relgion; and a demostrably failed one at that. Let’s see, this has been known since about 1919, when Ludwig von Mises demostrated conclusively that socialism couldn’t make economic calculations (no way to get feedback).

Written By: Charles D. Quarles
URL: http://spaces.msn.com/members/cdquarles/
The infatuation with Obama confounds me- what exactly has he done to warrant this lavish attention other than be an immigrant African who doesn’t hurt the eyes or ears and is young enough to have a long political career ahead of him? This could be a repeat of Cuomo-itis where the Democrats became infatuated with Cuomo on the basis of 1 speech but Cuomo led them nowhere.


Written By: h0mi
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what exactly has he done to warrant this lavish attention other than be an immigrant African
He’s not an immigrant, he was born here. Otherwise I agree, the attention is unwarranted.

Written By: b-psycho
URL: http://psychopolitik.blogspot.com
The infatuation with Obama confounds me- what exactly has he done to warrant this lavish attention other than be an immigrant African who doesn’t hurt the eyes or ears and is young enough to have a long political career ahead of him?

Again, I was more interested in the future than the present. No one would argue he’s ready now, but, at a first glance, he seems, with more experience, obviously, like someone with star potential within the party. Whether the party will recognize and nurture that or whether they will ignore it and run those who’ve come up through the "old boy" network remains to be seen ... but the point about Obama is simply speculation and trying to figure out who would or wouldn’t make a good future candidate.

Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
The infatuation with Obama confounds me- what exactly has he done to warrant this lavish attention other than be an immigrant African who doesn’t hurt the eyes or ears and is young enough to have a long political career ahead of him?
I suspect Democrats were asking similar questions about Ronald Reagan. (well, not exactly similar) Obama is a very charismatic politician, with an interesting ability to address people respectfully across the aisle. There’s a lot to be said for that.

Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://www.QandO.net
You cannot win when your party chairman is Howard Dean and your party leaders are Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, and the media face of your party is Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan.

It cannot be done.

So Democrats will either have to tell the left which is 80% of their party to shut the fuck up and/or drop dead, or concede elections for the next 40 years until these leftists are dead and buried.

Written By: George Jones
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It sounds like the lunatic named MKULTRA has some serious issues.

And he wonders why his party is in the minority. My advice? Look in the mirror, and see the true reason why.

Written By: George Jones
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He’s not an immigrant, he was born here.
I stand corrected.

My above comment should say "Son of African immigrants".

I suspect Democrats were asking similar questions about Ronald Reagan. (well, not exactly similar) Obama is a very charismatic politician, with an interesting ability to address people respectfully across the aisle. There’s a lot to be said for that.
Well Reagan was a name that was fairly well known... a celebrity who enters politics at least has name recognition. If he’d governed California into the ground in his tenure or had he not won re-election, we never would’ve had a President Reagan in 1981-1989 and he’d not likely campaigned in 76.

Anyone remember Harold Ford?



Written By: h0mi
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