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"Can it last?"

The real question is can their be enough progress made before Obama takes office so they have a shot of going it alone. Of course if they do, the media will lay credit at Obama’s feet for withdrawing.

McCain owes it to himself to start making the improvement in Iraq a major issue. Its the only way people will realize Iraq has drastically improved.

Its also why Obama refuses to acknowledge it. He knows full well the media will write history giving him credit if he takes office and Iraq happens to get it together themselves.

Written By: jpm100
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Its also why Obama refuses to acknowledge it. He knows full well the media will write history giving him credit if he takes office and Iraq happens to get it together themselves.
Gah, i saw this one coming months ago as things started to improve, sadly Bush continues his idiotic refusal to defend his actions to the people and in turn will give credit to someone undeserving. I hear the talking heads already "Obama pull troops out, air of peace and stability returns to Iraq."

Written By: josh b
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can it last? is a valid question to ask. the US has paid off about 100 thousand sunnis to stop fighting with the shia. what happens when the US leaves and the money stops flowing? its unlikely that the sunni’s will just sing "let all just get along." iraq has no real national identity it was held together by a brutal dictator. with boarders drawn by white boys in england. if you include that the sunnis are non existant in the current maliki government what do you think will happen when the buffer the US which stands between the sunni, shia and kuds leaves. last time i check people who dont have a say in their government react violently esp in the middle east.

i know all the conservatives here have a idelogical bent and are like "We won iraq i told you so!!" and want to stick to democrats but iraq is far from won. it will take another 10 years with american support to build a real iraqi democracy.

Written By: slntax
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They only have to Ignore Iraq until the beginning of November. Then they can lay credit at the feet of President Elect Obama because they know he’s coming to office.

Written By: jpm100
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it will take another 10 years with american support to build a real iraqi democracy.
Probably true. Matches what I was saying even before the 2003 invasion.

So let’s start the countdown, based on where we are right now (which looks really good compared to where we were two years ago).

That is what you meant, right?

If not, it’s the exact same silliness coming out of the anti-drilling folks: "It would take ten years to make a difference!" So if we had done it ten years ago, when lots of folks wanted to, we would have a difference right now, when it turns out we need it the most.

Same thing in the Middle East. It might indeed take ten years. Perhaps a bit less, perhaps a bit more. But if we don’t do it, then what happens in ten or twenty years if the resulting instability results in widespread availability of WMD to terrorists? It will then be too late to calm down the Middle East.

Written By: Billy Hollis
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Doom, quagmire, disaster, withdraw now, blood and treasure, American Decline.

This service has been brought to you courtesy of the leftist agenda, in conjuction with and through cooperation with E.R.B enterprises, sole spokesperson for the "American DeclineTM" brand.

Written By: looker
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Looker, you forgot "War of Aggression."

I’d say the stock price on ERB Inc. ought to be a little down this quarter, mayahp time to buy when the markets depressed?

Written By: Joe
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sole spokesperson for the "American DeclineTM" brand.
Definitely a union made brand, I bet.

Written By: capt joe
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Definitely a union made brand, I bet.
Not as much as you’d think...under-graduate and graduate students participate in mandatory production and must meet their quotas of appearances, placards, lettres to the editor, and the like or suffer fairly severe academic penalties.


Written By: Joe
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You fight long enough, you get stability sometime. And I have doubts that this is going to last. But even if it does, it doesn’t undo the fact that this war has been five years of destruction to the Iraqi people, with no real discernible benefit to the US. Just a lot of dead people, soldiers with broken families and mental problems, and Iraqis in a society destroyed and broken, and totally corrupt. This has been a war of evil aggression, and we deserve to suffer the consequences. There is no honor in this war. It is the moral equivalent of any act of aggression, whether by the Third Reich, Japan, or any other aggressive power. It has harmed the US, and we are only starting to pay the price. The policy has been a fiasco, an utter failure, and evidence of how weak the US has become. That, however, is a bright spot. http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/iraq-and-the-next-president/



Written By: Scott Erb
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Oops forgot to link it:
http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/iraq-and-the-next-president/

Written By: Scott Erb
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(Editor’s Note: I owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to Ott Scerb, and if this posting is of any value it is because I have seen the Master at work.)

Thank you Dr Erb...to sum up, "We’re Winning, But Even Then We’re Losing" And we DESERVE to lose! Iraq is broken, it was broken under Saddam, but that’s different, at least Saddam was brown and when brown people break and rape and destroy and steal it’s OK...OK Maliki is brown, too, but white people back him and so even though he is no where near Saddam’s evil, he is evil because:
1) The US likes him and
2) Anything a US ally does is subjected to the tunneling-scanning electron microscope of morality, because that ally can not be "Authentically Indigenous" and so ENTIRELY different standards are applied.

No benefit to the US; Libya was going to give up its WMD program, which it never acknowledged until it gave it up, because it wanted to...and Kurdish democracy and economic growth it’s an illusion and any way those people should be thankful to Saddam he kept them from falling under the evilllll control of the PKK, and don’t even try to talk about a burgeoning democracy and open economy in the region serving as a disrupter to the status quo of authoritarian kleptocracy, No NO NO I WON’T LISTEN...Brown people are corrupt and they LIKE corruption and strong men ( I mean well who DOESN’T like a strong man!? A Maximal Leader so strong and virile......Oh where were we?) Oh yes, brown people want to be bossed about by their fellows and they want the corruption and to think differently is to be ethnocentric!

Nothing good came from this war...it’s no different than the Nazi attack on Poland, except for the multiple UN rulings against Saddam, and the fact that Iraq had invaded its neighbors TWICE and killed about 1,000,000 million plus of its own people and neighbors whereas Poland had not...and just because the Polish Government was the result of self-determination and the legitimate government of Poland and the Iraqi government had ruled for the benefit of the Tikriti clan and had NO legitimacy in the eyes of 75% of it’s own people this war is EXACTLY like the Nazi War of Aggression...or the Japanese War of Aggression against Manchukou/Manchuria. Sure it’s EXACTLY the same, in both cases the aggressor attacked to secure the resources of the state and put in power a Puppet Regime...I mean sure no oil is flowing from Iraqi fields EXCLUSIVELY to the US and true Maliki was ELECTED, and can control a majority in his elected Parliament and true nothing like that happened in Manchukou, STILL ITS EXACTLY THE SAME....

We are only starting to pay the price, yes the price, DOOM DESPAIR, FUZZY SWEATERS, We have sinned, Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea MAXIMA Culpa. Ok, not really, I mean I haven’t sinned, YOU have sinned, you dense Righties have sinned! And YOU deserve to pay, and pay and pay, but really I and all my colleagues in the faculty lounge really haven’t sinned at all, we opposed this evil war of aggression and caused many placards to be made and lots of giant paper machier puppets to be built and manipulated...YOU deserve whatever happens to you, WE deserve tenure raises, Federal grants, and positions in the next Obama Administration, plus some big-time stock options!

Funny Dr, Erb you sound desperate in this posting...emotional almost...I guess the horrid reality is starting to set in...YOU WERE WRONG and those "awful people" were right.


Written By: Joe
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Funny Dr, Erb you sound desperate in this posting...emotional almost...I guess the horrid reality is starting to set in...YOU WERE WRONG and those "awful people" were right.
I got the same feeling. "This has been a war of evil aggression, and we deserve to suffer the consequences. There is no honor in this war. It is the moral equivalent of any act of aggression, whether by the Third Reich, Japan, or any other aggressive power." All bad, no good. Black and white. We’re the moral equivalent of Hitler and Stalin. He might as well have called our troops baby-killers.

This thinking is on the moral level of a four-year-old. And now we’re seeing the stamping of the feet when the four-year-old-mentality fails to get what it wanted, which was hideous defeat so he could feel the emotion of righteous triumph over his ideological enemies here in this country.

It’s sickening, and I for one am glad this moral infant posts his incessant, monotonous, nonsensical drivel somewhere else so we can avoid it and get back to having adult conversations.


Written By: Billy Hollis
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"Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea MAXIMA Culpa."

Tut, tut. Your religious bigotry is showing. The first crusades weren’t enough, now you have to again try to inflict Christianity, with all the horrible consequences history has shown us, on innocent Muslims, who only wish to practice their religion of peace in peace.

By the way, is it an actual war of evil aggression, or just the moral equivalent of a war of evil aggression?

Written By: timactual
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