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"This is our enemy, and this is how they fight"
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, January 15, 2009

You've probably heard by now that the IDF has opened its own YouTube channel so it can avoid media filtering and get its story out directly to the world. And yes, for those who want to claim it is propaganda, it is - but look up the word, will you?

 
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Given a choice between the two flavors of Propaganda available, I’ll take the Israeli kind.

At least they apologized for blasting the UN compound yesterday.
More than Hamas will ever do since they probably did fire from there.
 
Written By: looker
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Devil’s Advocate:

Gaza is pretty much an urban built-up area on a plain, so I don’t see how Hamas could fight without using its buildings, etc. as cover. (Now, when you store weapons in Mosques and schools, that’s different.)

I am also unsure if unguided rockets are truly terror weapons if they were to be aimed at military targets. I doubt Hamas takes the time to do that, but they could.


 
Written By: Harun
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WWII - Nebelwerfer(German) - Katyusha(Soviet)- M8 ’Xylophone’(US) rockets, in battery.

Three examples of unguided rockets, aimed at in general direction, weapons used for saturating an area, presumably with some military value.

Yes, the Kassams can be used that way. But the probability of Hamas being allowed to set up a barrage is about as close to zero as you’re going to get.
(locally) we came up with a couple ways they ’might’ do it, but assuming they got away with it they’d do it ONCE and then the Israelis would nail every subsequent deployment attempt.

As they’re used, they are exactly like V1’s or V2’s, terror weapons.

Knowing that Gaza is a built up area tells you not to launch your attack if you give a rat’s @ss about your civilian casualties, or to force them all out of the area, allowing you to engage the IDF (and commit suicide).

You could cite the Warsaw Ghetto as a classic example of unbalanced urban warfare akin to Hamas vs IDF. However the people in the Ghetto knew what was coming, one way or another, unlike the CHOICE Hamas has NOT to attack Israel.
 
Written By: looker
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You know, as an addendum, I’m trying to imagine the Ghetto defenders setting up rockets and randomly firing them to land OUTSIDE the Ghetto on the premise it might hurt something vaguely German and I don’t see them doing it because it’s just plain wasteful of resources better used elsewhere (I presume someone is paying money for these things, and they are difficult to smuggle in).

In fact, it’s a very poor use of resources as used because it’s totally unreliable as a tactical or strategic weapon, it risks the men firing it & the area they fire it from (I submit the leaders of Hamas have to care about those two things in the first place, and I submit, the leadership of Hamas, does not) and it produces no significant benefit militarily.

The only thing it might do is wear the Israeli’s down trying to be in constant readiness everywhere to deal with a random shot that might do some damage. And that brings us back to people living in fear every day that the random shot will hit them.

Terror is the only purpose it serves.
 
Written By: looker
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Just for reference, a satellite photo view of the Gaza Strip area.


http://www.maplandia.com/gaza-strip/gaza/
 
Written By: timactual
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Upon examining the above mentioned satellite view, I found it interesting to compare the sizes of the Gaza Strip and Israel. Considering that a large chunk of Israel is uninhabited desert, it impressed me just how large Gaza was in relation to Israel, and just how much open space exists in the Gaza Strip.
 
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looker: Iran would be that "someone", and Iran has no interest in a Gaza at peace with Israel.
 
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Thanks timactual,

It looks pretty built-up to me, and if the range of your rockets is low, you may have to launch near population centers. Not that I think that strategy is very wise. Also, keep in mind, that even if Hamas were legitimately firing on military targets, it would not reduce Israel’s right to defend themselves one iota.

My problem with the IDF presentation is about the placement of the defenders in built-up areas. I think it does explain why civilians will be heavily affected, but planting snipers on top of buildings? That is standard in an urban environment. Mining the roads? How else would they stop Israeli tanks. Now maybe the positioning next to the gas station or the mosque is a little more questionable, but those were two positions noted on a large map with many more positions not expressly explained.



 
Written By: Harun
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The word "propaganda" certainly has a pejoritive tone to it, and perhaps rightly so, since Edward Bernays titled his infamous masterwork of human sociology in the 1920’s.

Propaganda, therefore, has adopted the definition that the audience is persuaded by an appeal to emotions or non-rational instincts and desires, rather than to a rational arguement. Hamas parading dead bodies in front of the camera in order to convince people that Israel’s military operation is morally wrong - certainly falls under this definition. Israel explaining its actions clearly, presenting facts, and approaching the situation intellectually certainly is not that type of propaganda.
 
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