Meta-Blog

SEARCH QandO

Email:
Jon Henke
Bruce "McQ" McQuain
Dale Franks
Bryan Pick
Billy Hollis
Lance Paddock
MichaelW

BLOGROLL QandO

 
 
Recent Posts
The Ayers Resurrection Tour
Special Friends Get Special Breaks
One Hour
The Hope and Change Express - stalled in the slow lane
Michael Steele New RNC Chairman
Things that make you go "hmmmm"...
Oh yeah, that "rule of law" thing ...
Putting Dollar Signs in Front Of The AGW Hoax
Moving toward a 60 vote majority?
Do As I Say ....
 
 
QandO Newsroom

Newsroom Home Page

US News

US National News
Politics
Business
Science
Technology
Health
Entertainment
Sports
Opinion/Editorial

International News

Top World New
Iraq News
Mideast Conflict

Blogging

Blogpulse Daily Highlights
Daypop Top 40 Links

Regional

Regional News

Publications

News Publications

 
Obama decides Osama is no big deal
Posted by: McQ on Friday, January 16, 2009

Or, "Gosh, those Bush guys weren't so dumb afterall":
Barack Obama suggested last night that removing Osama bin Laden from the battlefield was no longer essential and that America's security goals could be achieved merely by keeping al-Qaeda "on the run".

"My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him," he said. "But if we have so tightened the noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America."
Who is "we" Mr. Obama?

Oh, and Gitmo? Forget "after the first 100 days"...
In a wide-ranging 70-minute interview with Washington Post reporters and editors, the president-elect pledged quick action on the Middle East once he takes office, promised to support voting rights for D.C. residents, and said he will consider it a failure if he has not closed the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, by the end of his first term in office.
Talk, talk, talk ...
 
TrackBacks
Return to Main Blog Page
 
 

Previous Comments to this Post 

Comments
Countdown to Cap coming in to defend him in 5.....4....3...
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
Not yet, Shark.

Bruce, this is yet another teachable moment... one of the many thousand we’ll have over the next four years. As I said to someone else;
A total of 1500 some odd days when examples of government excess and their results will be spoon fed to us. All we have to do is publicly note their passage, and point to the principles governing them. The most important of them, is the first two years.
And I suggest that a goodly chunk of these will be shown to us by means of Obama and the remainder of the Demoracts being exposed to, and reacting to reality... as in this case.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
Sweet Jesus I can NOT stop laughing at all the modifications of his position... As someone said, every retarded idea Bush had becomes the most wise and wonderful idea when it comes out of Obama’s mouth...

And I remain amused that "Obama" is still considered a typo by Firefox...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
URL: http://
Yet it is Obama’s supporters who often raise the cry to sneer at the right: "We’ve always been at war with Eastasia!"

I don’t imagine Obama’s Orwellian shifting will bother many of the people who voted for Obama, but it should.

Even though I am relieved by his turns to the right in national security, I do think Obama has done the country a disservice by being so vague and misleading in his campaign.
 
Written By: huxley
URL: http://
One by one, virtually all of the criticisms of the Bush/Cheney administration become accepted as part of the Obama "Change" meme. One by one, all of the areas that the far left has used to grade Bush as a failed President become moot with Obama’s adoptance. It will be interesting one year from now to sit back and look at what changes Obama has really made to the nation.
 
Written By: SShiell
URL: http://
"He will consider it a failure" -
Heh, good of him to judge himself on our behalf.
Turns out it’s not if we think it shows failure, it’s if ’he’ thinks it does.

I guess the left will allow Bush to rate his presidency the same way then?

And as for the embrace of Bush positions - it’s sort of like watching a re-run of the Catholic church doing things like changing Odin to St. Odin, patron saint of one eyed-guys and incorporating PAGAN holidays into the religious structure to make the pagans a litte more at home with the new regime.

 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
I find myself laughing at the oft time leftie commenters who before the election were assuring us of all the "change" that was going to happen suddenly telling us that they expected that Obama was going to continue to implement all Bush’s policies.

I am not surprised, but it is funny nonetheless
 
Written By: capt joe
URL: http://
I’m wondering if one of the things Bush did when he met with Obama was to take out a file and throw it in front of the Messiah and say, "and here’s the file of all the plots to murder my daughters. At the purple tab you’ll see the one that was stopped thirty minutes before it was to happen."

That’s the sort of thing that would wake that snotty a$$hole up.

Now, about the war crimes tribunal: Let’s have a calculation, one of those famous sorts of calculations that the Left always seems so confident in making, about how many more of our troops were killed because terrorists in Iraq were bolstered in their confidence and fought more ferociously on the assurances of Barack Obama that the U.S. would quit the war. All the murderers had to do was deliver more dead soldiers, more chaos, more dead Iraqis, and more car bombings, and Obama would do the rest.

Vietnam II, don’t you know, complete with 40-year-old cans of antiwar propaganda right from the warehouse.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
As someone said, every retarded idea Bush had becomes the most wise and wonderful idea when it comes out of Obama’s mouth...
It’s like a very old joke whose punchline is: Some people know how to tell them, others don’t.


Remember, as recently as the October 7th debate, Obama insisted that capturing OBL was essential to US security. It’s amazing what can happen in three months, isn’t it?
 
Written By: Steverino
URL: http://
What’s said is my Mom says she feels so re-assured when Obama speaks. "Like there is a plan for everything."

Oh well. She’s my Mom. I guess its a fair price for all of the awesome food.
 
Written By: Harun
URL: http://
said = sad.


 
Written By: Harun
URL: http://
I find myself laughing at the oft time leftie commenters who before the election were assuring us of all the "change" that was going to happen suddenly telling us that they expected that Obama was going to continue to implement all Bush’s policies.
That would be funny capt. joe.
As I am always in the mood for a good laugh, would you be so kind as to tell me who are these lefty commenters who "before the election were assuring us of all the "change" that was going to happen" and that are now "suddenly telling us that they expected that Obama was going to continue to implement all Bush’s policies"?
And be so kind as to give us an example, would you?

I would be so disappointed if these funnies were just one of your wet dreams.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
What I find funny and sad is the commenters who suddenly now find that anything Obama does or doesn’t do is OK, becasue if he changes things, well he promised to and if he doesn’t "well I never believed he meant that."

That latter is an intellectually dishonest position and a morally and politically sad one...it’s dishonest because it does not allow for any judgement of policy choices, ANy choice is politically acceptable. it would seem the refuge of the terminally cynical...Further why vote for Obama if at every step of his Administration one never expected him to do anything he promised to? Why vote at all? Nothing is going to change...
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
That would be funny capt. joe.
Struck a nerve, did I. Well, I didn’t mention your name. Does this apply to you? My stars ...
your wet dreams.
You shouldn’t worry about my wet dreams, I certainly don’t worry about yours.
The press secretary took a little dig at the incoming president for attacking Bush’s policy on Guantanamo throughout the campaign. "All of a sudden, ’Gosh it’s so complicated to close Guantanamo Bay,’" she said.
I just find it ever so funny that what where absolute easy peezy decisions are now quite complex and nuanced no that the big O is in power.

I will continue to be amused and bemused at the discovery that will unfold.

 
Written By: capt joe
URL: http://

Written By: capt joe
Couldn’t provide any examples of “leftie commenters who before the election were assuring us of all the "change" that was going to happen suddenly telling us that they expected that Obama was going to continue to implement all Bush’s policies.” That’s a shame, I guess I’ll look for laughs elsewhere.
Struck a nerve, did I.
Well I gotta tell you, I think you’ve had it backwards all this time. You’re always telling us that I’m the one out looking for buttons to push when I believe that it is you that pushes my buttons. I feel like a monkey in a cage that whenever you present your lever to me, I pull it fully expecting a delicious peanut.

So with this latest bit about fictitious lefty commenters that you, as you usually do, pulled right out of your ass… All I can say is, thanks for the goober, goober.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Gee, coulda sworn that Capt Sarcastic (who’s not on the same ship as Capt Joe) was just yesterday telling us he never did believe all the stuff Obama said he was gonna do anyway.

Is that the sort of example we’re talkin about?

how bout the staying in Iraq thing?
The deficits for years to come thing?
The transparency in government thing?
The honest government thing?
The closing Guantanamo thing?

Which kinda ’change’ wuz it we wuz talkin about?

Now, I personally expected whoever got in the White House was going to take the sad news of reality as such and pretty much for a while have to stay the course on policies old GW set.
However, I have reason to believe a slight majority of the American voting population thought somewhat otherwise would occur if the LightWorker and his side kick Blunderspeak were elected.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Further why vote for Obama if at every step of his Administration one never expected him to do anything he promised to?
I don’t expect politicians to do everything that they say they will. But Obama has taken this much farther than any candidate I can remember.

Plus I consider it deeply dishonest to campaign against Republican policies as though those policies were abhorrent, then flip over and agree with those policies without batting an eyelash and before even taking office.

"We have always been at war with Eastasia."
 
Written By: huxley
URL: http://
Gee, coulda sworn that Capt Sarcastic (who’s not on the same ship as Capt Joe) was just yesterday telling us he never did believe all the stuff Obama said he was gonna do anyway.

Is that the sort of example we’re talkin about?
I don’t think so, looker. Did Captin Sarcastic ever come in here and state that once Obama got elected, there was going to be change? Not to my recollection. Now I could be wrong, but I don’t think so… I have a pretty good memory about things like that. I guess I could’ve missed something, which was why I asked for examples.

In fact, the only time I ever saw anyone promising “hopey-changitude” – albeit in jest – were the rightie proprietors and commenters of this blog.
Now was there the odd commenter that came in here touting such nonsense? Maybe. But I don’t see them here yet stating that “Obama was going to continue to implement all Bush’s policies.” Do you?

You see, looker, that’s the problem with pulling things right out of your ass… Most often, it’s nothing but a pile of sh!t.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
I feel like a monkey in a cage
Well, that explains the commentary and answers.
any examples of “leftie commenters who before the election were assuring us of all the "change
"

Come on man, a bunch of you guys were going on about how Bush’s policies were all wrong and that thank god that Obama was coming in to change it. Now all of a sudden the same people are saying they said no such thing, yada yada yada ...

I reference looker where he says:
Is that the sort of example we’re talkin about?

how bout the staying in Iraq thing?
The deficits for years to come thing?
The transparency in government thing?
The honest government thing?
The closing Guantanamo thing?
So are any of the Bush administrations policies on terrorism, FISA, guantanamo, etc going to be changed, ever?

You guys are full of it. Hypocrites, and BS artists.
 
Written By: capt joe
URL: http://
yeah buddy...we’ll just sit back and watch business as usual in Washington be fobbed off as the touted ’change’.

Go head now, tell me the Obama campaign never promised change. Tell me Obama didn’t promise change.
Tell me change wasn’t what it was all about.

But, hey, if the commentators who believed in the change weren’t all "here" Pogue, it never happened, right?
Well, didn’t happen "here", so, never happened and we’re all just pulling it out of our @sses?

Whatevah....

Pogue Inc just started dropping man.
That may not mean much to you though, so again, whatevah....
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
First of all, Pogue, old buddy, hopeychangitude is not a hyphenated word. So there.

Secondly, seems silly to claim we here were the only one’s talking about hope or change - in fact, hopeychangitude is a direct result of all that talk by others - and that includes a significant other named Barack Obama.

Now, claiming he’d be a "pragmatic leader" who would "govern more toward the center" has little or nothing to do with his right-out-loud promises to close Gitmo in his first 100 days and to withdraw immediately from Iraq.

Those were two solid planks of his "change" agenda. They were that which he differentiated himself from other candidates - first Dem rivals and then Bush.

So when the "he’ll govern pragmatically" or govern to the center crew shows up to claim this is what they meant, I’m going to have to call BS on that.

Cheers.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
What Cap DID do yesterday Pogue was hide under the umbrella of claiming he never did believe Obama in the first place when he talked about change.

Sounds like a great reason to defend Obama during the run up to the election don’t it, and there was a boat load of THAT going on.

Let’s see, how does this sound as a selling statement for the candidate.

"Sh!t, I don’t believe a word he says, but hey! let’s vote for him anyway!"
No, that’s too strong...let’s cut back a little

"Sh!t, I don’t believe most of what he says, but hey! let’s vote for him anyway!"

No, I’m sure cap didn’t mean that....

He must have meant
"Sh!t, I only believe half of what he says, but hey! let’s vote for him anyway!"

Ya know, Cap could have saved a lot of typing if he’d used one of those as his standard tag line any time someone like McPhillips questioned Obama, right?

Ya see the problem here, maybe?
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
The press secretary took a little dig at the incoming president for attacking Bush’s policy on Guantanamo throughout the campaign. "All of a sudden, ’Gosh it’s so complicated to close Guantanamo Bay,’" she said.
I just find it ever so funny that what where absolute easy peezy decisions are now quite complex and nuanced no that the big O is in power.
It is so complicated because Bush and his team have been f$%^*ng it up this whole time. So she made a mess that so big and so deep and so tall that it will take a while to clean up if it can be done at all, and she thinks it’s hilarious. Nice.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
It is so complicated because Bush and his team have been f$%^*ng it up this whole time.
Must be the new talking point issued just before Retief began his trolling rounds.

Of course Bush screwed it up so badly that Obama can’t stick with his campaign promises on Gitmo and Iraq.

Heh ... got it.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Come on man, a bunch of you guys were going on about how Bush’s policies were all wrong and that thank god that Obama was coming in to change it. Now all of a sudden the same people are saying they said no such thing, yada yada yada ...
Well then you shouldn’t have any trouble finding examples, should you? Google is your dog, but your problem is, there is no bone to dig up.

I reference looker where he says:
Well that’s just great! Referencing a politicians promises. Try fish in a barrel next time, I hear that’s good sport too. But what about these “lefty commenters” you claim? Where are these guys? A stain on your mattress perhaps?

You have nothing. And you know it.

Oh, those delicious peanuts. Yum, yum, yum…

BS artists, huh? Dude, you’re a freakin’ Picasso.


 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Secondly, seems silly to claim we here were the only one’s talking about hope or change - in fact, hopeychangitude is a direct result of all that talk by others - and that includes a significant other named Barack Obama.
Who’s claiming that? I’m just disputing capt joe’s claim that there were, “leftie commenters who before the election were assuring us of all the "change" that was going to happen suddenly telling us that they expected that Obama was going to continue to implement all Bush’s policies.”

Who are these people? You wanna jump in here, McQ? Is it me? Captin Sarcastic? Who???
Obama was FOS… you know, I think I can give you examples of me saying that very thing.

So when the "he’ll govern pragmatically" or govern to the center crew shows up to claim this is what they meant, I’m going to have to call BS on that.
Yes, but who here – again, Captin Sarcastic, me, anyone else – claimed that he would hold up his promises? Who?
You gotta problem with Obama, join the crowd. That still doesn’t change capt joe’s BS claims.


Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
So she made a mess that so big and so deep and so tall that it will take a while to clean up if it can be done at all
Wow, so tell us -

did it become so deep and so big AFTER Nov 5th, or was, uh, maybe that way all along?

All along, ya know, like the ENTIRE time it was being promised that it would be FIXED as soon as the new government took office?
You know, the entire time they were promising they’d change it.

Or do you want to pretend all this REALLLY bad sh!t happened AFTER he was elected, but before he was Inaugurated?

So easy to take apart Retief.
Pathetic.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Now, claiming he’d be a "pragmatic leader" who would "govern more toward the center" has little or nothing to do with his right-out-loud promises to close Gitmo in his first 100 days and to withdraw immediately from Iraq.
That’s a way of saying it.

But Obama began his campaign in early 2007 right around the same time that the surge was on the table and then beginning in Iraq.

Obama bet all of his chips against the surge, all of them. Hope was Hope for an American defeat. That was what made him The Man with the Democratic base, the self-righteous imbeciles who wanted to see the U.S. defeated in Iraq and who, in fact, claimed over and over that the surge would not work and that winning was not possible. Who claimed, in fact, that Iraq was already lost.

That was Obama’s very road to the nomination, and the source of his popularity with "the world," which generally means the Europeans, who routinely make the U.S. the scapegoat for their own geopolitical impotence and had a field day hating George Bush.

Hope and Change were first and foremost Hope for an American defeat and the Change an American regime that faulted America from square one.

Now, what I saw over the last several years were these remarkable American troops serving in Iraq, bringing real hope into a miasma of despair while fending off a miasma of treachery back home in the Democratic Party. On the one hand I saw courage, patriotism, and bands of brothers willing to die for one another, on the other hand I saw snivelling, treacherous, lying cowards like Harry Reid, declaring the war lost on the floor of the U.S. Senate as its majority leader.

That treachery cost some of those troops their lives by giving hope to the enemy, letting him believe that that next IED killing that next American could be the tipping point.

And all the talk about how wonderful free speech is does not mitigate the value of that open, relentless treachery to the enemy and the cost in additional lives among our forces in Iraq.

That is the wave that Obama rode to the nomination. May it haunt him forever.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
leftie commenters who before the election were assuring us of all the "change
You’re necessarily then, going to claim the term "leftie commenters" can only refer to people who commented here at QandO.

Not to put words in his mouth so maybe he meant exactly that.
Maybe he meant "leftie commenters" in general. You know, outside of QandO and in the general public, like...oh, Oliver, or Kos, for example.

He knows what he meant, I can’t tell you for sure.

I can say when he said leftie commenters, I personally didn’t just think the range of the comment ’leftie commenters’ was QandO.

Oh, and, uh, Retief here is providing exactly the example needed, just as a by the way, and no one will have to do much Google searching for it.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
But, hey, if the commentators who believed in the change weren’t all "here" Pogue, it never happened, right?
Well, didn’t happen "here", so, never happened and we’re all just pulling it out of our @sses?
Well, yeah, you are.
I understand that capt joe, being your ideological mate, you would want to stand by him, but it doesn’t mean you have to go down with the ship with him.

But you do realize, that you are pulling it out of your ass if you join him, don’t you?

“But, hey, if the commentators who believed in the change weren’t all "here" Pogue, it never happened, right?”
Uhh… Where are these commenters that now say, “suddenly telling us that they expected that Obama was going to continue to implement all Bush’s policies”??? Hmm??? Where are they????????????

I’ve got some advice for capt joe, “reasonable language”. Of course this would deprive me of my peanuts, but hey.

Oh, and, uh, Retief here is providing exactly the example needed, just as a by the way, and no one will have to do much Google searching for it.

Well, then... I’ll just check back in a few minutes. If it’s so effortless, then one of you shouldn’t have too much trouble.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Well, then... I’ll just check back in a few minutes.
No? Not yet? Well don’t spend too much time there boys. I would hate to think that I caused you to spend your entire Friday night p!ssing in the wind trying to prove capt joe right. Remember, the Battlestar Galactica premier comes on at nine.



You know, on second thought…

Nevermind.

P!ss away. There will be reruns.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
It is so complicated because Bush and his team have been f$%^*ng it up this whole time. So she made a mess that so big and so deep and so tall that it will take a while to clean up if it can be done at all
See above, this thread, right here.

I guess we’ll have to hunt back in other places to show where Retief was specifically saying things would change and that this sort of excuse making he’s done right here isn’t what was being referred to.

Or Sarcastic back peddling yesterday and saying he never believed what Obama promised isn’t an example either.

Pogue, you must be reallly comfortable that sort of quote can’t be found, I wouldn’t be if I were you. It wasn’t all us yelling "Rah Rah, go Team" for the last year.

I’m sure there’s someone who will take up your gauntlet, so carelessly cast.
No? Not yet?
It was ALREADY done when you made the challenge.
Your Irish must have been up when you walked in today.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Obama bet all of his chips against the surge, all of them. Hope was Hope for an American defeat. That was what made him The Man with the Democratic base, the self-righteous imbeciles who wanted to see the U.S. defeated in Iraq and who, in fact, claimed over and over that the surge would not work and that winning was not possible. Who claimed, in fact, that Iraq was already lost.

That was Obama’s very road to the nomination...
Martin — That still bothers me too, then Obama’s pretense that he had never claimed the surge wouldn’t work then straight down the memory hole on his campaign web site for all of his comments on the surge.

"We have always been at war with Eastasia."
 
Written By: huxley
URL: http://
McQ surely you’re not so in the tank for Bush that you’re trying to claim he didn’t f^*% up Gitmo and the people detained there? That aside, precisely what campaign promises do you think are being broken, and can you point anywhere that they were made?
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
looker, your lefties-thought-Obama-would-fix-everything-on-day-one strawman needs a lot more work before it will be at all convincing. Back to the drawing board pal.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
McQ surely you’re not so in the tank for Bush that you’re trying to claim he didn’t f^*% up Gitmo and the people detained there?
I don’t know McQ’s view on this, but what the hell are you talking about Retief?

Gitmo is about the tamest, least complicated, most efficient way to handle terrorists and suspected terrorists that could be had. It was turned into a boogey man by antiwar harpies and various imbeciles at the New York Times. Then the usual weak-minded Beltway posturing and maneuvers began.

It won’t be closed anytime soon because, first and foremost, there is no good reason to close it other than those imagined by said antiwar harpies and various imbeciles at the New York Times and the ever-nebulous "world."

If there was ever a place that was a four-star maximum security motel for terrorists, Gitmo is it.

Where would you like to see them, on Devil’s Island? Or perhaps in an American prison where the likes of Lynn Stewart can sign on and play our civil courts as if these internees are not battlefield or intel captures whose cases by definition do not belong in civil courts, and in fact could not be prosecuted there.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
lefties-thought-Obama-would-fix-everything-on-day-one strawman
Day one? Are you crazy? a lot of the left thought he would start fixing it on November 5th and started grumbling on the 8th when the sweeping changes weren’t implemented.

Day one...ha ha ha ha, that’s funny.

I’m not saying the sane ones ya know, but we weren’t calling them moonbats for nothing.

 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Obama’s pretense that he had never claimed the surge wouldn’t work then straight down the memory hole on his campaign web site for all of his comments on the surge.
The "memory hole" — forgetting — is the cultural affliction that will kill American democracy; rather, kill the American republic, or what’s left of it.

This man is a catastrophe, and that’s clear before he even takes the oath of office. He hands the State Department to the Clintons? He puts a rank political fixer at Justice? He makes a petty tax cheat the head of Treasury? He installs the equivalent of a customs clerk at CIA?

That’s starting to look more like a department store than a government, with the Clintons running the jewelry department.

And the fact that he’s essentially a white kid running behind a black song and dance on the basis of a dark complexion ought to have had the bloody forensic psychiatrists flocking to the case, but that brings it all back to the fear of race.

This guy is a mess with a gift for talking his way out of his own business, and that is the long and short of it.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
Oh, and I guess Retief that you ARE trying to tell us Gitmo got screwed up after Obama was elected?

It’s not hard to find the promise that was made, not hard to find when the promise was made.
What changed in the time between it being made, and now?

If it was f’d up, it was f’d when he made the pledge, but there it was, he pledged it anyway.

If this were McCain right now you’d be screaming.

Funny thing, there were a lot of people hereat QandO, not happy with Gitmo when it all started. You guys have conveniently forgotten that, too.









 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
McQ surely you’re not so in the tank for Bush that you’re trying to claim he didn’t f^*% up Gitmo and the people detained there?
Retief — You rarely back up your claims or even make coherent arguments. In this case the onus is on you to demonstrate that Gitmo etc. has been screwed up, aside from being a regrettable solution to a difficult problem.
That aside, precisely what campaign promises do you think are being broken, and can you point anywhere that they were made?
I would have thought that a commonplace. Obama spoke against Guantanamo repeatedly during the campaign. Obama in his first interview after the election:
Obama in recent days has said that fulfilling his campaign vow to shut down the Guantanamo Bay prison will be an early priority after he takes office Jan. 20.

"I have said repeatedly that I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that," Obama told CBS News.
Do some legwork of your own for a change.
 
Written By: huxley
URL: http://
It was ALREADY done when you made the challenge.
Your Irish must have been up when you walked in today.
Okay, first of all, my Irish is always up, secondly, my challenge was never met, and you know it.

Funny thing, there were a lot of people hereat QandO, not happy with Gitmo when it all started. You guys have conveniently forgotten that, too.
Apparently not McPhillips,

Gitmo is about the tamest, least complicated, most efficient way to handle terrorists and suspected terrorists that could be had. It was turned into a boogey man by antiwar harpies and various imbeciles at the New York Times. Then the usual weak-minded Beltway posturing and maneuvers began.
I guess according to McPhillips, a Republican judge having to dismiss the case against an alleged terrorist is the “most efficient way to handle terrorists and suspected terrorists that could be had.”

Oh but I’m sure its all the fault of the NYT and the Clintons anyway.

Martin, brother, “reasonable language”.

Seriously.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
McQ — Sorry to jump into your conversation with Retief.

In any event, Obama now acknowledges:
"It is more difficult [to close Guantanamo] than I think a lot of people realize."
That "lot of people" would have to include Obama himself, or maybe he has no qualms attacking Republicans for a problem that he knows he couldn’t easily resolve either.

As usual, the question: "Is Obama being stupid or breathtakingly cynical?"
 
Written By: huxley
URL: http://
As always, drop dead, Balone.

This blog isn’t a fraternity, and I don’t check with the brothers to find out what my point of view about Gitmo or anything else will be.

Gitmo exists at a constitutional boundary and the litigation surrounding it reflects a variety of confusions, including those of Justice Kennedy, who is often confused. But regardless of the litigation, it is and should be recognized as an excellent solution to the problem of what to do with various terrorists and suspected terrorists.

And drop dead, again, please.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
This blog isn’t a fraternity, and I don’t check with the brothers to find out what my point of view about Gitmo or anything else will be.
Hey man, with terms like “antiwar harpies” and “various imbeciles” how could we ever go against that.

You keep fighting the good fight, hermano.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Martin (et al), You might want to cast your eye over these few little issues. For one thing the prosecutors keep resigning, because the process is so broken. Or the Uighur mess. Or the fact that only 5% of the people there were even captured by US forces and the rest random strangers sold to us for the bounty.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
Huxley, I don’t think that quote means what you think it means.
Obama in recent days has said that fulfilling his campaign vow to shut down the Guantanamo Bay prison will be an early priority after he takes office Jan. 20.

"I have said repeatedly that I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that," Obama told CBS News.
He promised to close it, he will close it, it will take some time and untangling. Where is the broken promise again?
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
yeah.....he’ll "close" it about 4 years from now
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
You’re necessarily then, going to claim the term "leftie commenters" can only refer to people who commented here at QandO.

Not to put words in his mouth so maybe he meant exactly that.
Maybe he meant "leftie commenters" in general. You know, outside of QandO and in the general public, like...oh, Oliver, or Kos, for example.
I wasn’t specific but I meant more than just the usual drones here :)

But even if I took just this blog, I can tag Erb, Glasnost, and Retief easily with this statement.
I understand that capt joe, being your ideological mate, you would want to stand by him, but it doesn’t mean you have to go down with the ship with him.
Hey, man, you kill me.
 
Written By: capt joe
URL: http://
Huxley, I don’t think that quote means what you think it means.
Well Retief, then try to spin this one:
President-elect Barack Obama plans to order the closing of the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay as early as his first week in office to show a break from the Bush administration’s approach to the war on terror, according to two officials close to the transition.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Retief — Obama said in his campaign:
Why don’t we close Guantanamo and restore the right of habeas corpus, because that’s how we lead, not with the might of our military, but the power of our ideals and the power of our values.
Forgive me for being dense, but this is a statement of principle, not pragmatism. We should not keep Guantanamo open a second past midnight of January 20, 2009 because it is wrong, not because it is "more difficult than a lot of people [including me, Barack Obama] realize."

As usual, you are not responding to the questions that come your way, while expecting others respond to you. How is that Bush "[screwed] up Gitmo and the people detained there?"

What’s your solution, or Obama’s solution, to the nasty terrorists currently sequestered in Cuba and no other nation wants to take them and who will kill American soldiers and other civilians given the chance if they are released?

Me, I think these b*stards should have been double-tapped per the Geneva Convention and never been sent to Gitmo Med in the first place.

Again, what’s your solution?
 
Written By: huxley
URL: http://
In case the above Obama link ("Why don’t we close Guantanamo...") doesn’t work, try this one: link....

Still waiting, Retief.

And how I resent your co-opting the name of one of my favorite sci-fi heroes for what I regard as the antithesis of his no-nonsense, freedom-upholding positions.
 
Written By: huxley
URL: http://
See, pogue, you are laboring under two delusions. The first is that we care what you think of us; I personally wouldn’t lift a finger to save you, your family, or your friends. As Sam Adams put it, you are no longer my countrymen. You lied and bought (with illegal donations, 60 million worth the last time I looked) your way into power; deal with it.

The second is that we suffer from the same delusions you do that if you screech loud enough, no one will remember the lies you and your side told. I’m not that easily diverted.
 
Written By: SDN
URL: http://
He promised to close it, he will close it, it will take some time and untangling. Where is the broken promise again?
Just WHY will it take some time and untangling? Just let them all go, put ’em on a plane back home, easy as pie right?

Once the unjustly imprisoned are gone, they can take their sweet time shutting the base down.

So why can’t Lightworker issue an exec order for that to happen within minutes of his coronation?

Every minute those poliitcal prisoners spend in Gitmo AFTER Lightworkers coronation are HIS fault. He’s the one who’ll be violating the poor dears rights.

Welcome to power b*tch
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
Would not the lie be that Obama promised to close Gitmo within his first 100 days, and now he is saying it will take longer?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=obama%2Bgitmo%2B100+days&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
 
Written By: Anonymous
URL: http://
Thanks Anon. I was looking for a direct quote from Obama about the 100 days thing, but couldn’t find it. However, it does seem that Obama or his campaign made such a promise.
 
Written By: huxley
URL: http://
"Why don’t we close Guantanamo and restore the right of habeas corpus, because that’s how we lead, not with the might of our military, but the power of our ideals and the power of our values."

Does anybody find it funny that he will be sworn in on Abraham Lincoln’s bible? You know, the whole habeas corpus thing?
 
Written By: blackrockmarauder
URL: http://
huxley, if you think Retief would have been a Bush or a gitmo fan, you have serious reading comprehension issues.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
Or Sarcastic back peddling yesterday and saying he never believed what Obama promised isn’t an example either.
Wow, I was out snowboarding and my ears were ringing.

This is mischaracterization of my position.

I took issue with people who took Obama’s statements out of context, suggesting he would "precipitously withdraw" from Iraq. I told you all back then that this would not happen, and that Obama said it would not happen.

This is not "not believing Obama", this is taking the whole of his comments in context and not just taking some of his comments and ignoring others.

Do these statements mean the same thing...

We will get our troops out of Iraq as quickly as possible. (paraphrase for the purposes of this example)

or

We will get our troops out of Iraq as quickly as possible, to the extent that it can be done safely and prudently with any decisions being made based on conditions on the ground.

Obama’s position has always been the latter, regardless of the fact that many folks around here ignored the caveats.

If you folks had looked at what Obama had said, as opposed to how the opposition framed what he said, you’d recognize that what he intends to be is pragmatic, using government when he believes it can do something that needs to be done, and shutting down government programs that can’t or don’t do what needs to be done.

Whether he will do this only the future will tell us, but if he moves down this path, some liberals who think the government is the answer to everything will have some disappointments, and some conservatives who think the government is the answer to nothing will have some pleasant surprises.

The only thing I am absolutely sure of is that both schools of thought are wrong, government is neither the answer to everything or the answer to nothing. Whether Obama succeeds depends on whether he chooses one from the other wisely.

 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
URL: http://

 
Add Your Comment
  NOTICE: While we don't wish to censor your thoughts, we do blacklist certain terms of profanity or obscenity. This is not to muzzle you, but to ensure that the blog remains work-safe for our readers. If you wish to use profanity, simply insert asterisks (*) where the vowels usually go. Your meaning will still be clear, but our readers will be able to view the blog without worrying that content monitoring will get them in trouble when reading it.
Comments for this entry are closed.
Name:
Email:
URL:
HTML Tools:
Bold Italic Blockquote Hyperlink
Comment:
   
 
Vicious Capitalism

Divider

Buy Dale's Book!
Slackernomics by Dale Franks

Divider

Divider