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The "Era of Maturity?"
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, January 20, 2009

Steve Benen at Political Animal quotes Adam Serwer's take on the Obama inaugural speech, and is sure an "era of maturity" has been ushered in today.

But some of us really have our doubts given what we've seen previously from those supposedly ushering in this era:



Another reminder of how different yesterday's inauguration was than Bush's. No tantrums in the street. No childish egg throwing. None of the shameful conduct that greeted the 43rd President of the United States. And as Clinton bowed out, no bratty mocking of the former president on the inauguration dias.

If there is indeed an "era of maturity" evident, it has nothing to do with the leftists of this country. Indeed, even on this day, they just couldn't help their childish selves:
But when Dick Cheney first rolled onto the giant TV screen, looking with his cane and trademark grimace like a villain in a Harry Potter film, the thousands of people gathered in SF's Civic Plaza to watch the DC inauguration hooted as one. Their first mass shout-out of the morning.

[...]

Goodbye. Don't let the chopper door slam your chair on the way out.
But remember, now is the time to unite as one, because, you know, they won and whining like a spoiled brat (or throwing shoes at the White House) and pitching fits in the street because you didn't get your way is no longer cool.
 
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I see Hillary was in a dust-up with Cornyn today.....a display of the diplomacy she’ll be unveiling in her new job 9if she gets through)?
 
Written By: shark
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PS- This video absolutely belies Cap’s ludicrous claim that maybe these people did to Bush as "revenge" for Clinton.

 
Written By: shark
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Leftists, the everyday democratic apparatchiks, are vile hate filled teenagers that refused to grow up. Not even factoring in the important things like policy, ideology, issues and needs/wants (as these are the truly important things and as such can be debated in a mature manner), the every day leftist is far more of a piece of shyt than the average everyday rightist as it pertains to opposing a political counter. Time after time this has been shown to be true.
 
Written By: RFN
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PS- This video absolutely belies Cap’s ludicrous claim that maybe these people did to Bush as "revenge" for Clinton.
How do you support this assertion, a gut feeling?

I think it was more than just what was done to Clinton, though that was heinous and served to weaken our nation, it was also the nature of the election and how it was "resolved" in a manner that many felt was not in keeping with democratic ideals.

But as I said, let a Republican lose an election where they win the popular vote and have a game changing states vote count be stopped in a party line decision by the Supreme Court, and then, when the Republicans behave with civility at the inauguration, I’ll apologize for my error. Until such time, you cannot tell me they would not behave the same way.

 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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But as I said, let a Republican lose an election where they win the popular vote and have a game changing states vote count be stopped in a party line decision by the Supreme Court, and then, when the Republicans behave with civility at the inauguration, I’ll apologize for my error. Until such time, you cannot tell me they would not behave the same way.
I don’t have to tell you jack sh*t, since we KNOW the left acted in this instance.

Evidentally you want to excuse it.

Typical of you.
 
Written By: shark
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"But as I said, let a Republican lose an election where they win the popular vote and have a game changing states vote count be stopped in a party line decision by the Supreme Court, and then, when the Republicans behave with civility at the inauguration, I’ll apologize for my error. Until such time, you cannot tell me they would not behave the same way."

Franken would be a close approximation.
Same with the WA governor’s race a few years back.

I think it would be easy to find evidence from Reagan’s era as well that the Left is just not as polite about such matters. I think the far left can almost be excused because they need the theater and craziness just to be noticed.



 
Written By: Harun
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Well, I’d say this is relevant. From the new White House web site:
President Obama will keep the broken promises made by President Bush to rebuild New Orleans and the Gulf Coast.
Now, that just drips with class and maturity, doesn’t it?

 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Katrina

President Obama will keep the broken promises made by President Bush to rebuild New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. He and Vice President Biden will take steps to ensure that the federal government will never again allow such catastrophic failures in emergency planning and response to occur.
The honeymoon ends ...
 
Written By: Neo
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But as I said, let a Republican lose an election where they win the popular vote and have a game changing states vote count be stopped in a party line decision by the Supreme Court, and then, when the Republicans behave with civility at the inauguration, I’ll apologize for my error. Until such time, you cannot tell me they would not behave the same way.
And you cannot tell anyone they would. That is all conjecture on your part in an attempt to absolve the bratty and atrocious behavior of the left evident in the video above.

Yeah, that’s right - the video. No conjecture. No baseless claims. Instead moving pictures - maybe you’ve heard of them? Some have even come to accept them as proof something actually happened.
 
Written By: McQ
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I know there are only so many patriotic thing one cans say, but I just caught Jon Stewart (The Daily Show) doing a ChangeFest 09 piece where he intermixes Obama’s Inaugural speech with segments of Bush speeches where Bush is saying nearly the identical thing.
Obviously Obama has been hanging with Joe Biden too much.
 
Written By: Neo
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though that was heinous and served to weaken our nation,
Yeah, because it’s totally cool and fine for a President to use the IRS to go after opponents...

Just make the attempt, however, and buddy you are screwed...

Article 2, item 1.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Cap, a query:
game changing states vote count be stopped in a party line decision by the Supreme Court
I thought the decision to vacate was unanimous. Course that was Bush v. Palm Beach Co. Then it was 7-2 in Bush v. Gore. The only 5-4 I recall had to do with the inability to perform an accurate recount within the legislatively mandated proscriptions. Seem to recall that the dissents on that were kind of contradictory.

Am I wrong here? It’s been a long two terms and my memory is not what it once was.

Also, if Al Gore had conceded, do you feel that some of the acrimony of the past eight might have been avoided? Would the events in that video have happened?
 
Written By: Uncle Pinky
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Rewriting the history of the 2000 vote is going to get you nowhere Childish Sarcastic. Because even left wing enterprises like the New York Times looked closely into that race and concede that Bush won it, and the Florida Supreme Court tried to allow an endless recount in which they hoped the Democrats would steal the election the same way it was stolen in Seattle and Minnesota.

You leftists are pieces of crap and now you are going to have to govern the country and you will find that acting petulant, childish, and being continually negative are poor preparation for the reality of governance.
 
Written By: kyleN
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Bush’s note to Obama revealed
 
Written By: Neo
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What was "done" to Clinton? The Republicans did not force him to get a BJ in the Oval Office and lie about it under oath. How does it "weaken our nation" to hold the President to the same standard as any other citizen? If you lie under oath, it constitutes a crime, a felony.

We do not elect the President by popular vote just as we do not decide the World Series by most runs scored. Presidential elections are won by votes in the Electoral College just as the World Series is decided by winning four games. If you run for office and lose, you cannot change the rules retroactively.

The Supreme Court ruled that states must abide by a uniform standard when counting votes. All the recounts in Florida came out in Bush’s favor. He won.

If you want an example of a stolen presidential election, look at Illinois in 1960 when Richard Daley "found" 100,000 Kennedy votes that put him over the top. Did Nixon contest the vote? No. Did Republicans riot? No. They behaved "with civility" at the inauguration.


 
Written By: Arch
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"Maturity" no doubt being defined as "increased illingness of the taxpayer to bend ’em and spread ’em."
 
Written By: Bilwick
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stopped in a party line decision by the Supreme Court
Ah, the stolen election meme, I wondered when that leftist trope was going to come up. Along with the "Bush hates black people", etc.
 
Written By: capt joe
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I know there are only so many patriotic thing one cans say, but I just caught Jon Stewart (The Daily Show) doing a ChangeFest 09 piece where he intermixes Obama’s Inaugural speech with segments of Bush speeches where Bush is saying nearly the identical thing.
Obviously Obama has been hanging with Joe Biden too much.
 
Written By: Neo
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"a party line decision by the Supreme Court"

We all know that US Supreme Court justices vote exactly as those who appointed them expected, e.g. Souter. Yep, always straight party line votes in the US
Supreme Court.

Or are you speaking of the Florida Supreme Court, that bastion of nonpartisan jurisprudence made up almost entirely of Democrats confirmed by a Democratic legislature.

I don’t know why you people bother. Capt. Sleazy has proved to be only marginally more credible than MK or Erb, certainly not worth the effort of trying to track down his unattributed ’evidence’ or doing your own research. Must be a slow day.

 
Written By: timactual
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Silly me, I was rather disappointed by the whole thing.
He seems resonable at times.

But this last bit is pure partisan hackery.
 
Written By: looker
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About the unfortunate quote on the White House website:

"If only Barack knew."
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Linked, and commented.
 
Written By: Bithead
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P.S.:

Prepare for the worst, and pray that it doesn’t go there.

And then prepare for the mind-boggling possibility that it will go well beyond the worst that can be reasonably imagined.

Remember: this callow, inexperience, immature man, who sat twenty years listening to the insane racialist gibberish of Jeremiah Wright, but who has the glib, deft skill of an infomercial star, now sits at the hub of the wheel of the national security apparatus of the United States.

"Just get the power, Barack."

Ladies and gentlemen: Year Zero for Idiots.

Watch the people around him. Watch the Clintons at State. The political fixer at Justice. Rubin’s protege at Treasury (even as Rubin is escorted off the premises at Citigroup). Emanuel at the White House. The climate crank science advisor.

It’s a hard call on whether to turn to a guide on abnormal psychology or an ophiology textbook.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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P.P.S.:

And watch it because the media will not.

The gurgling fellation of Obama from that crowd will go on for months, if not years. It will be the campaign all over again to the fifth power.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Maybe nobody is throwing eggs at Obama because he is wildly popular. Bush chose a different path to power.
 
Written By: Retief
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And maybe adults don’t throw eggs at people to express their displeasure.
 
Written By: looker
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I thought the decision to vacate was unanimous. Course that was Bush v. Palm Beach Co. Then it was 7-2 in Bush v. Gore. The only 5-4 I recall had to do with the inability to perform an accurate recount within the legislatively mandated proscriptions. Seem to recall that the dissents on that were kind of contradictory.
The main, and final, SCOTUS decisions in Bush v Gore, were the 7 to 2 vote that found Constitutional problems with the recount, six Justices found there to be a violation of the 14th Amendment, three Justices found there to be a violation of Article II. Since the majority found that Florida had NOT changed the rules, the justices all agreed that the problems were fixable. However, in the final 5 to 4 vote, a slim majority of Justices decided that there was not enough time to fix it, while four of the nine Justices believed there was time to fix it.
Also, if Al Gore had conceded, do you feel that some of the acrimony of the past eight might have been avoided? Would the events in that video have happened?
Actually, if Bush had not gone to Federal court, the recount would have remained in only three counties and Bush would have won. Bush’s court case forced the Florida Supreme Court to require a full statewide recount, which Gore would have won, had the count not been stopped by an ideological (feel better) line vote of 5 to 4 in the Supreme Court.

As for concession, I really don’t know if it would have made a difference, perhaps.

I am the childish one here...?

Childish Sarcastic

you leftists are pieces of crap
Capt. Sleazy
Yeah... sure, you’re the adults
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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Actually, if Bush had not gone to Federal court, the recount would have remained in only three counties and Bush would have won. Bush’s court case forced the Florida Supreme Court to require a full statewide recount, which Gore would have won, had the count not been stopped by an ideological (feel better) line vote of 5 to 4 in the Supreme Court.
Gore would have only won a statewide recount if the counting rules were tilted to favor Gore. Counting the ballots fairly would have still resulted in a Bush win.

In any case, holding endless recounts is childish. The left wanted to continue counting until they won a recount, then hold that recount as the "right" one and proclaim Gore the winner. Pure Bannana Republic behaviour.
 
Written By: Don
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Come on by and we’ll toss some eggs at you to seal the deal.

By the way, I read your study.

It made a lot of assumptions about how hanging chads, dimpled chads, ’over counted ballots’, ’under counted ballots’, rejected ballots (not to mention ’disenfranchised voters) and absentee ballots would be interpreted (read, found in favor of Al Gore) on a statewide basis.

That was the how the argument started in the first place.

 
Written By: looker
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Bush chose a different path to power
Last time I checked, Bush and Obama obtained "power" the same way: by winning elections.
Florida Supreme Court to require a full statewide recount, which Gore would have won, had the count not been stopped by an ideological (feel better) line vote of 5 to 4 in the Supreme Court.
Except that Bush the recount by any standards....sorry, try again
 
Written By: shark
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It’s an entire Presidency later and these SOB’s are STILL trying to argue that election.

 
Written By: shark
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Bush’s court case forced the Florida Supreme Court to require a full statewide recount
Bush’s case was IN federal court, after Florida Supreme Court ruled in Gore v. Harris

Bush didn’t file a suit in Florida.
 
Written By: Steverino
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Bush’s court case forced the Florida Supreme Court to require a full statewide recount
Ugh, Bush’s FEDERAL court case forced the Florida Supreme Court to require a full statewide recount.

November 11, 2000
• The Bush camp seeks a federal injunction to stop hand recounts of ballots in several Florida counties because of alleged equal protection and other constitutional violations.
Bush’s case was IN federal court, after Florida Supreme Court ruled in Gore v. Harris
No, Bush’s federal case began BEFORE Gore v Harris.
Bush didn’t file a suit in Florida
Bush filed suit in the Miami federal circuit court. Last I heard, that was in Florida.
It’s an entire Presidency later and these SOB’s are STILL trying to argue that election.
I just responded to a faulty assertion about the 2000 election. There is nothing to argue, facts are facts, Gore lost (most relevant fact), the Supreme Court stopped the recount in Florida (relevant to how people FELT about the outcome), and Gore would have won a statewide recount using ANY standard.

 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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It made a lot of assumptions about how hanging chads, dimpled chads, ’over counted ballots’, ’under counted ballots’, rejected ballots (not to mention ’disenfranchised voters) and absentee ballots would be interpreted (read, found in favor of Al Gore) on a statewide basis.
Yep. And I still fail to see how recount 3 (or 4 or whatever) could give Gore the win; what is it: best out of ten recounts? or whatever recount the Democrat wins is what counts?

 
Written By: Don
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and Gore would have won a statewide recount using ANY standard.
Supposition based on your one study given as evidence.

From the study you cite -
The NORC recount is the best achievable analysis. However, the ballots are still subject to different interpretations. The NORC coders, even though impartial, might have introduced subjective factors to their judgments. Moreover, there were some discrepancies between the number of ballots cast and the number of ballots provided by the county election boards, potentially enough (2,288) to change the result. Under the rules of the time, then, the Florida election result was a statistical tie and a political judgment.
Disenfranchisement. The final influence on the vote was from non-voters, or more precisely the persons who were not allowed to vote. This loss of the franchise disadvantaged Gore. The U.S. Civil Rights Commission concluded that 180,000 voters had been denied their right to vote. Of this number, 54 percent were African Americans, who would surely favor Gore overwhelmingly.
It’s rife with assumptions - ’would surely favor Gore overwhelmingly’

And this gem....well...talk about showing their bias...right down to the wire...
George W. Bush governs, but without the clear consent of the governed.
Does that sound like there’s no bias? Sure as hell does not.
That’s not an impartial statement,
Clear Consent? Am I to understand that the difference in numbers cited in Florida, in this report, in at least one instance acknowledged to be a statistical DRAW (115 votes) indicates Bush is not governing WITHOUT THE CLEAR CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED?

Sorry - I called partisan hackery and I stick with it that assessment.
 
Written By: looker
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"is not governing" my bad, "was not governing".
Now he’s sittin in Crawford, and I hope he’s enjoying the hell out of his first day off in 8 years.
 
Written By: looker
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Gore would have won a statewide recount using ANY standard.
Gore would have won a statewide recount if overvotes were counted.
Supreme Court stopped the recount in Florida
They stopped a limited recount, one that focused on undervotes.

Gore would have lost that statewide recount. The undercounts favored Bush.

 
Written By: Don
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Bush filed suit in the Miami federal circuit court. Last I heard, that was in Florida.
How utterly disingenuous of you. Clearly, I was speaking of Bush filing in Florida STATE Court. But if you want to play stupid, that’s fine with me.
Ugh, Bush’s FEDERAL court case forced the Florida Supreme Court to require a full statewide recount.
Your command of the facts is unimpressive. Bush’s case was filed as an appeal to Gore v. Harris, and was filed on December 9, 2001.
No, Bush’s federal case began BEFORE Gore v Harris.
Bush v. Gore did not begin before Gore v. Harris.


Let’s also remember that the only place where Al Gore ever won a case was in Florida Supreme Court. Every other court ruled against him.


The following is from a timeline of the events:
The Florida Supreme Court, in 4-3 split decision, reverses lower court rejection of Gore contest, ordering statewide manual recounts of undervotes.
The Florida Supreme Court did not order a full recount, it ordered a manual recount of the undervotes. Not the same thing.
 
Written By: Steverino
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Link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12623-2001Nov11_2.html

Quote:
Gore never pushed hard for the kind of full recount that might have brought overvotes into play. And the Florida Supreme Court, which on Dec. 8 ordered a statewide manual recount — halted in midstream the next day by the U.S. Supreme Court — focused on undervotes and required only that undervotes be retabulated.

Ironically, it was Bush’s lawyers who argued that recounting only the undervotes violated the constitutional guarantee to equal protection. And the U.S. Supreme Court, in its Dec. 12 ruling that ended the dispute, also questioned whether the Florida court should have limited a statewide recount only to undervotes.
 
Written By: Don
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"How utterly disingenuous of you"

disingenuous = typical.
 
Written By: timactual
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