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Ayers/McVeigh - No difference
Posted by: McQ on Monday, January 26, 2009

The one thing Bill Ayers has accomplished in his life - besides fooling at least some into believing he's just an everyday education professor - is to prove Andy Warhol wrong about everyone getting just 15 minutes of fame.

Ayers is working on his second 15 minutes and is no more coherent this time than the first. However he is a classic case study of moral relativism and self-delusion at work. Both are aptly demonstrated in this single paragraph from a recent Detroit Free Press interview. Says Ayers:
Henry Kissinger is responsible for the death of millions. I’m responsible for the death of no one. Does that distinction not seem to matter? In other words, why am I held up as an example of something beyond the pale. Whereas Kissinger, hey it was normal. He was the secretary of state ... Yeah, he was the secretary of state overseeing an illegal, immoral, genocidal attack on civilians. That is terrorism, pure and simple.
Despite the obvious error our scholar makes (Secretaries of State don't "oversee" wars), he has the audacity to tag Kissinger directly with deaths in the Viet Nam war - something in which Kissinger had no direct involvement in prosecuting - while absolving himself from the deaths the Weather Underground caused by essentially claiming he wasn't directly involved in any of them.

If you're not laughing out loud at this buffoon, I'm not sure what to think of you. A professor of education said that? The total self-absorption of this spoiled brat is why his self-delusion is so convincing, at least to himself.

He actually thinks he made a point there.

How self-delusional is the good "professor"? Stunningly. Look at his re-write of history when he is asked if he'd call Obama a friend:
Ayers: No. But … the fact is. Oh, I would. I call a lot of people friends. But I don’t think he knew me better than he knew thousands of other people.

And the dishonesty of that narrative that the Republicans tried to spin, there were three aspects to it that were troubling.

One was the attempt to make me into a monster, which I am certainly not.

Second was the idea of guilt by association. That if you share a board room or a bus ride or a cup of coffee or you see each other in a restaurant that you are somehow responsible for one another’s policies and politics. That’s an old and tired and despicable tradition in American politics. And fortunately the American people rejected it.

But the third aspect of the dishonesty was the idea that some Americans are true and real and OK Americans and other Americans are marginal and bad and dangerous and toxic. The problem with that is that we live in a wild and diverse democracy, and I’m as much an American as Sarah Palin. I was born here. I’m a citizen I have every right to speak.

And the idea that she was trying …to say that because I hold certain views or because I have a certain history – that incidentally that I have dealt with and that I have accounted for in every way required of me – somehow disqualifies me from public participation.

I’m a believer in democracy. I’m a believer in dialogue. And I think everyone has a responsibility, but especially political leaders, to meet with and think through with a wide range of people and then to have a mind of your own.
Henry Kissinger - Monster. Bill Ayers, unapologetic terrorist bomber and leader of an organization which killed people? - not so much.

Point two has Ayers consciously avoiding the Obama/Ayers relationship on boards, committees, and collaborating on a fund which handed out millions of dollars. There's even some rather strong evidence Ayers may have edited Obama's books. And then there's that little inconvenient fact that Obama was introduced into Chicago politics in the living room of Bill Ayers house. That has also seemed to have escaped Ayers' memory.

Of course, point three ignores the fact that Americans still do consider Timothy McVeigh to be "marginal and bad and dangerous and toxic" person because he did exactly the same thing Bill Ayers did, except more successfully and on a larger scale.

In fact, to most Americans, McVeigh and Ayers are the very same thing. The difference is that the government didn't botch the McVeigh case and he was executed for his crimes.

Ayers is a petulent brat-boy who thought he had ushered in a "revolution" during his younger days because he came to believe war is always bad. Violence and death in war was unacceptable. However, violence and death in the cause of peace was apparently just fine.

When his cause literally blew up in his face, he ran like a whipped dog and hid out until things had cooled down and daddy could get the best of lawyers on retainer to save poor Billy's ass. No need to pretend to be one of the masses then, by George - daddy's money and connections were wonderful stuff. Unlke McVeigh, who had no "daddy" to save him, Ayers eventually got lucky and the government's case was thrown out.

Over the years, this poor excuse for a human being has constructed a delusional narrative of his own in that collection of brain cells he calls his mind. Above you get a peek at the result. This morally bankrupt boob, this heralded 'professor of education', is on a mission to resurrect his shabby persona. Obviously a coward whose chosen method of "fighting the man" was to plant bombs, he still can't seem to wrap his head around the fact that most rational people reject his absurd self-justifications as the pitiful bleatings of delusional loon.

While he may have managed to establish himself as a "success" as an education professor over the years, he remains an abject failure as a human being. Maybe he'll eventually figure out that his nonsense isn't selling and finally, with a whimper, fade from the stage forever, realizing his second 15 minutes of notoriety were even less successful than his first.
 
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Hey, maybe there is room at Maine. He seems to be just the right sort of person for there.
 
Written By: capt joe
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In fact, to most Americans, McVeigh and Ayers are the very same thing.
Not at all. Because if a Republican presidential candidate, especially after 9/11, got their political start in, say, the home of a man who blew up abortion clinics in the 1980s (but he killed no one!), imagine the horror, the disgust, the anger of the Left.

"He covorts with a domestic terrorist!" (Sound a tad familiar?)

"So-and-so pals around with a terrorist! Who terrorized women! Who blew up abortion clinics!"

We could only imagine at the drooling fools in the media spouting off about these ties.

But, when it comes to left-wing terrorists who bombed places, it is okay because, after all, they were protesting a bad war.

It is part of the problem of the Left. Bomb something they hate? That’s good. Bomb something they worship and love? That’s bad. Very bad.

Leftwing terrorist: to the left, he/she is a hero.
Rightwing terrorist: George W. Bush. Evil. Harmful. Should be marginalized, before they go to prison.

Now, imagine if the Republican merely sent a letter to someone who merely protested abortion clinics. Protested. As in “stop this now.” Nothing bad there, right? After all, isn’t protest and dissent a good thing, enshrined in the Constitution?

Not to the Left. Because if you merely protest something they disagree with, you are a hatemonger, a homophobe, a racist, a bigot, a thug. If you blow up something the Left loves, you did it because you want to bring peace to the world.

This is why I say, no matter what the subject, that liberalism, as exhibited by the American Left today, is a serious mental disease. No matter what the facts, liberalism twists and distorts the mind, making those facts impossible to agree with. Think I am wrong? Challenge a support of The Clown™ about “climate change” or the budget-busting pork-laden “stimulus,” and watch as they dismiss your facts and tell you that you are wrong. I have tried it with my own family, who told me straight to my face that The Clown™ loves Jews and Israel and would stand by them no matter what.

That is why Ayers was not exposed during the campaign. To the media, to the Left, he is just a good guy who did some things we shouldn’t talk about, but which they cheer. After all, he ended a war after which Ted Turner admits he knew nothing about hundred of thousands or millions were killed by the Communists. And he’s against the war in Iraq, no matter how many people that war liberated, or the psychopathic thug it did away with.

No, to the Left, if you are bad to America, you are good. To the right, if you do anything bad, you are bad. Now tell me which side is delusional and which is not.
 
Written By: James Marsden
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Now, imagine if the Republican merely sent a letter to someone who merely protested abortion clinics.
Heck, I still remember all the criticism Bush took for give one speech at Bob Jones University in 2000.
 
Written By: Steverino
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Like I said, before we need just one GOP guy to start visiting Eric Rudolph in prison. Let’s see what the media and the Left say to that.

"I’m a believer in democracy. I’m a believer in dialogue."

Throwing bombs is not part of democracy or dialogue.
 
Written By: Harun
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Of course, point three ignores the fact that Americans still do consider Timothy McVeigh to be "marginal and bad and dangerous and toxic" person because he did exactly the same thing Bill Ayers did, except more successfully and on a larger scale.
Really?

The reason they hate McVeigh is because he was egged on by evil right wing "hate radio". Ayers? Anti-Vietnam freedom fighter. The guy is actually getting a fricking rehabilitation on the public’s mind. I’m certain I don’t remember the last time McVeigh was given an op-ed in the NYT, much less a spot at a high-profile "mainstream" democrat blog.

But people like Cap see nothing wrong with it. Well, if you want to embrace terrorists, good luck with that I guess.

 
Written By: shark
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Plan A:Ayers already failed guys. Time to go with Plan B:Birthers. Failing that there’s always Plan C:Commit Seppuku.
 
Written By: TomD
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"This is why I say, no matter what the subject, that liberalism, as exhibited by the American Left today, is a serious mental disease. No matter what the facts, liberalism twists and distorts the mind, making those facts impossible to agree with. Think I am wrong? Challenge a support of The Clown™ about “climate change” or the budget-busting pork-laden “stimulus,” and watch as they dismiss your facts and tell you that you are wrong. I have tried it with my own family, who told me straight to my face that The Clown™ loves Jews and Israel and would stand by them no matter what."

Mr. Marsden, be careful. The Left beat you to this one. Check out Robert Altemeyer at the University of Manitoba (That’s where I think he teaches out of now I think). He has a piece of work making the rounds, pushed by the Left wingers called The Authoritarians. It basically amounts to diagnosing the people that disagree with you as those with some sort of mental disorder. God help us all (even the left) if it gains too much traction.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

And here’s Wikipedia’s page about Dr. Bob’s Right Wing Authoritarianism.

 
Written By: Jim Sullivan
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In fact, to most Americans, McVeigh and Ayers are the very same thing. The difference is that the government didn’t botch the McVeigh case and he was executed for his crimes.
Yeah. I wonder about that "the government botched the case" against Ayers explanation. It smells suspiciously like an "Ayers told them everything he knew about the leftover Left fringe from the 60s and agreed to be their snitch" deal, which through time and rollover got folded into the nowhere zone.

There would have to be about zero people on the planet who could not believe Ayers would take that offer.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Ayers is good friends with the President of the United States.

HE is the establishment, now. He is The Man.

By his own logic, he should blow himself up today.

Also...Did McVeigh publish a book about working with other governments to take over the USA and round up "capitalists" for concentration camps? Did he write a book that praised the murderer of Bobby Kennedy?

Hmmm....
 
Written By: T
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Eric Rudolph is not a terrorist, but an anti-terrorist fighter. Those who have killed babykilling abortionists have done so to protect the innocent. People use force everyday to protect the innocent and no one has a problem with it, except when it comes to protecting unborn human beings, then they go ballistic. It’s very simple, the unborn deserve the same protection as the born. Born people are protected with force quite often. Force that you would be glad if it was to protect your children against a murderer. Force that you yourself might use to protect your own children from being murdered. The unborn deserve the same protection.
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life.
 
Written By: Rev Spitz
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You mean I shouldn’t pray that the rice does not get sticky?
 
Written By: Is
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Mr. Marsden, be careful.
Yep, I should. Because in the "new" America of hopeydopeychange, if you disagree with The Clown™ or His Clownettes™, you are a hatemonger, a bigot, a homophobe, a racist, a thug, a loser who wants America to fail.

Funny thing, that. Because three weeks ago, if I criticized Bush the way I criticize The Clown™, my criticism would be protected and hailed as being in line with mainstream thought.

I didn’t realize I now live in a dictatorship sustained by fear of criticizing the President.
 
Written By: James Marsden
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Plan A:Ayers already failed guys. Time to go with Plan B:Birthers. Failing that there’s always Plan C:Commit Seppuku.
No, plan C is to stockpile MREs and ammo, and watch as the left destroys the country.
 
Written By: Don
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