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Gun control in Canada
Posted by: McQ on Friday, February 11, 2005

First the story:
Two people are facing charges after Toronto police uncovered a large cache of weapons and ammunition in a north Toronto apartment.

Officers from the Sheriff's department were enforcing an eviction notice at the time of their discovery.

Police say a man in the apartment falsely identified himself as a police officer. He had a police badge and identification from a police service in the Atlantic provinces.

Police also discovered OPP uniforms and police badges from several police forces.

Seven guns, including a high-powered sniper rifle, and a large amount of ammunition were seized. Police say there were military knives, 1,000 rounds of ammunition and a small amount of explosives.

Lawrence Stevens, 42, has been charged with seven firearms offences, including possession of prohibited weapons.

Lourinda Beaver, 38, also faces charges, including careless storage of firearms.
Note that all these illegal weapons were found only because police were trying to enforce an eviction notice. No eviction, no police. No police, firearms go undetected.

You have to wonder how many other illegal caches exist in Canada.

Now let's review the 10 positive results expected from the Canadian gun control law.
1. Reduction in sale of stolen guns.
2. Increased public safety by keeping guns out of the hands of person who should not own them.
3. Making it easier to return stolen guns to the rightful owners.
4. Enhanced charges and prison terms against criminals.
5. Potential prevention of loss of life.
6. Higher rate of solved crimes for crimes involving firearms.
7. Reduced theft, unsafe storage and gun-related accidents.
8. Overall increased public safety.
9. Reduction of firearms smuggling.
10. Put more police on the streets by reducing paperwork.
See items 2, 7, 8, 9, and 10. No word yet on item 1.

That's the problem with most laws like this. Only the law abiding pay them any mind at all. And they're rarely the problem.

UPDATE: More on the impact of Canada's gun control laws from Angry in the Great White North. File it under the law of unintended (but foreseable) consequences.
 
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What's really unfortunate is that the eviction notice was, in all likelihood, bogus. Even the landlord didn't know about any "eviction".

That cache is incomprehensible and undefendable, but was obtained illegally.

I wonder what will happen now.
 
Written By: anonymous
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Well consider also that officers are being diverted from their duties to perform 250,000 background checks on Canadians who are law-abiding enough to register their firearms, which suggests the background checks will reveal nothing.

Also consider that the gun registry, which was promised to cost $2M, and has ballooned to $1B (yeah, billion!) and maybe more (the government doesn't want to talk about it anymore) is opposed by just about everyone but feminist groups and criminals (the criminals love it because they use smuggled or stolen weapons anyway, and because there is less money for police).

Finally, consider that Canadian society is going to hell in a hand basket, with muggings on the streets of the capital of Ottawa a common occurrence. The muggers use fists and clubs and boots, not guns. Why? Simple economics. No point in paying for a gun when you know the populace is disarmed and the police are too busy to patrol.

Full post here
 
Written By: angry_in_t_o
URL: http://angrygwn.blogspot.com/
The Law of Unintended Consequences again demonstrates the wrong headedness of the gun control bigots. I prefer having my guns handy and unregistered. Registration is just the camel's nose under the tent prior to confiscation. I could never live in Canada or the UK.
 
Written By: Abu Qa'Qa
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Did you all hear the latest... The guns were all legally owned and obtained. The man who was charged was owns a police supply company. The ammunition that was found including "cop-killer" hollow point bullets and armor piercing bullets came from police SWAT team clients of the man who is accused. The police who posed for the pictures with the guns were friends and clients of the man. They didn't even know whos they were until after. Somebody buggered this one right royally.
 
Written By: NEWSFLASH
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Did you all hear the latest... The guns were all legally owned and obtained. The man who was charged was owns a police supply company. The ammunition that was found including "cop-killer" hollow point bullets and armor piercing bullets came from police SWAT team clients of the man who is accused. The police who posed for the pictures with the guns were friends and clients of the man. They didn't even know whos they were until after. Somebody buggered this one right royally.
 
Written By: NEWSFLASH
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Reminds me of this, from five years ago:

3 200 toy guns seized from Oakville gift shop

Peel Region police have seized 3 200 toy handguns from an Oakville, Ontario gift shop, even though the plastic weapons aren't illegal.

Police Chief Noel Catney, who sought advice on the issue from Peel Crown Attorney Paul Taylor, said a case can be made that these toys are replica firearms - fake weapons that can easily be mistaken for real guns by police and citizens.

"They should be banned . . . and as we speak now, it is illegal to sell these types of firearms, in our view, at any retail outlet in Peel Region," Catney said yesterday during a news conference at Peel police headquarters, where the seized toys were on display.

The shop, S & K Toys and Crafts on Hampshire Gate, is technically in Halton Region, but because of a rash of Peel Region incidents related to replica guns, Peel police made the seizure, with the agreement of the Halton police and crown attorney.

Catney said that in his and Taylor's view, it is inappropriate and illegal to sell the toy guns to minors as young as 11 or 12.

"The concern is that under our present federal and provincial legislation, these (plastic toy) firearms aren't covered," Catney said. "But we are taking a zero-tolerance position in Peel."

Under current law, a device is considered a replica firearm if it looks almost like one but doesn't discharge a projectile, or discharges a harmless one.

Replica firearms, made of wood, metals or molded rubber, are considered prohibited devices under the Firearms Act of 1998. But most toy replicas, usually made of plastic, are not.

Peel has lumped plastic toy guns into the prohibited replicas category, making the force possibly the first in Canada to take such a stand.

Catney said replica firearms have been used in 28 gun-related incidents investigated by officers in Mississauga and Brampton in the past six months.

Store operators said yesterday they were shocked and disappointed by the action.

"These are toys . . . plastic toys . . . not real guns," said Wang Ko, speaking on behalf of his father, Hon Ko, owner of the shop. "We did not know that these toys would be considered replica firearms. They are just toys to us. We were not doing anything wrong."

Ko said police initially came to the store about a week before the toys were seized and informed them of their concern.

"We immediately took them off the shelves and put them in storage," Ko said. "We said, if they tell us we cannot sell them, we won't, and we were waiting for them to get back to us.

"Then they came back last week with a search warrant and took every one we had from our storage room."

Police were drawn to the store, which is just across the Peel-Halton Region line from Mississauga, after they arrested three teenagers April 12. In that incident, a frantic cell-phone caller who dialled 911 about 3 p.m. said a woman was being abducted at gunpoint by three masked teens on Mississauga Rd.

As it turned out, the teens were only play-acting, police say. But they were charged with a weapons offence.

"Our officers made an arrest at gunpoint of these three teenage boys who were armed with these replicas," Inspector Tom Trevelyan said. "It was extremely fortunate that one of them was not shot at the scene."

Police were already involved in an investigation of replica firearms at the time.

"The common denominator was that there was an outlet in Oakville that was selling these replicas over the counter to the public," Trevelyan said. "As a result, we entered a search warrant. These (toy guns) are stamped and labelled as Berettas and Smith & Wessons. They're identical replicas."

Trevelyan said each of the 3 200 toy weapons seized had potential to be a problem to officers, had they hit the streets.

"You cannot predict human behaviour except self-preservation; . . . every officer who is confronted by one of these things will self-preserve," Trevelyan said.

"That will be his first instinct. In my view, we're sitting waiting for a disaster to happen. We're sitting and waiting for somebody with one of these to get shot because they didn't drop it quick enough for a police officer."

The 28 incidents Catney referred to were calls about guns at high schools, parks and residences. It was because of those incidents, many involving toy handguns purchased at the Oakville store, Catney said, that legal officials indicated the seizure was appropriate under the circumstances.

Catney acknowledged that under present federal and provincial laws, the seizure falls into "a gray area.

"But in terms of the actual selling of them, our crown attorney is of the view that it is an inappropriate activity," Catney said. "In the view of our crown attorney, they (toys handguns) are illegal."

Police say the crown attorney is determining whether the shop owner can be charged with possession and trafficking in a prohibited device.
 
Written By: Lance Jonn Romanoff
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Did you all hear the latest... The guns were all legally owned and obtained. The man who was charged was owns a police supply company. The ammunition that was found including "cop-killer" hollow point bullets and armor piercing bullets came from police SWAT team clients of the man who is accused. The police who posed for the pictures with the guns were friends and clients of the man. They didn't even know whos they were until after. Somebody buggered this one right royally.
 
Written By: NEWSFLASH
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I'd say someone screwed up this one big time...

I find it very interesting that there have been no additional press releases from TPS. You'd think they'd still be flaunting such an "impressive" find. They're now focussing on the few guns (including a rusted out revolver) they located this past weekend. Gentlemen, take the tail out from between your legs and at least admit that you've screwed up.



 
Written By: NoSurprise
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I'd say someone screwed up this one big time...

I find it very interesting that there have been no additional press releases from TPS. You'd think they'd still be flaunting such an "impressive" find. They're now focussing on the few guns (including a rusted out revolver) they located this past weekend. Gentlemen, take the tail out from between your legs and at least admit that you've screwed up.



 
Written By: NoSurprise
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It supposedly gets even better. It turns out that the "eviction" was improper and that the landlord had all the paid rent. A photograph has also surfaced that shows a police officer holding one of the alleged illegal weapons. It turns out that this officer and his partners all did business with the suspect and that they owed him money that was in arrears. Hey why bother paying for things when you can just seize them when your the police?
 
Written By: NEWSFLASH
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