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Stick with Sports, Jim
Posted by: Dale Franks on Tuesday, May 10, 2005

Sports guy Jim Lampley dabbles in politics with this post on the Huffington Post.
At 5:00 p.m. Eastern time on Election Day, I checked the sportsbook odds in Las Vegas and via the offshore bookmakers to see the odds as of that moment on the Presidential election. John Kerry was a two-to-one favorite. You can look it up.

People who have lived in the sports world as I have, bettors in particular, have a feel for what I am about to say about this: these people are extremely scientific in their assessments. These people understand which information to trust and which indicators to consult in determining where to place a dividing line to influence bets, and they are not in the business of being completely wrong. Oddsmakers consulted exit polling and knew what it meant and acknowledged in their oddsmaking at that moment that John Kerry was winning the election.

And he most certainly was, at least if the votes had been fairly and legally counted. What happened instead was the biggest crime in the history of the nation, and the collective media silence which has followed is the greatest fourth-estate failure ever on our soil.
So, let me see if I get this straight. Bookmakers saw the initial exit polling, and the Kerry bet jumped to a 2:1 favorite. And that's the evidence of a stolen election.

I see.

I guess Mr. Lampley has never heard of the Futures Markets, which had Bush winning for the last 6 weeks of the election. These would be the same futures markets that have correctly predicted the presidential election every time. I guess he missed the VNS debacle of 2000, and the horror of the VNS 2002 performance that was so bad, the exit polling service was disbanded in the middle of election day. Exit polling has sucked for three straight elections now, but in Jim Lampley's mind, they're all sciency and stuff, because, you know, they use math.

And bookies. Man they're famously accurate. Just ask George Steibrenner about his heavily favored horse in the Kentucky Derby. Man, those bookies nai—oh...wait a minute...nevermind.

Presumably, Mr. Lampley knows a little more about sports than he does politics. Or polling.

Or, betting, apparently.

Is anyone surprised that it took less than 48 hours for the Huffington Post to descend into moonbattery? Is anyone surprised that Mr. Lampley is not agitated about other apparent voter irregularities in places like, say, Milwaukee?

Oh, don't worry. The last question was rhetorical. Kerry "won" Wisconsin, so, obviously, no further inquiry is necessary there. Funny how the conservative, corporate-owned media isn't looking into Milwaukee, though, isn't it?

I'll make it simple. If you think the result of the 2004 election was the product of a nationwide criminal consiracy led by Karl Rove, then you're either a crank or a moron. There is no third alternative.

Well, actually, that's not true. You could be both.

And it's funny how the paranoid style of American politics, which used to be so prevalent on the Right, is now firmly ensconced on the Left.
 
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they’re all sciency and stuff, because, you know, they use math.
That’s really a funny line. Thanks!
 
Written By: JWG
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Man it REALLY bothers me when somone who I like to hear talking about sports and whatnot comes out and says something like this. He’s now filed in my permanent turd bin.
 
Written By: mark m
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Yeah, I laughed at the "they use math" line; it’s so true! I teach math. It’s amazing how people react when they hear what I teach. They get this look of awe on their face like they’re in the presence of some sort of minor deity or something. Then they back away slowly. I really hate it when they do that; I just wanted to talk about something mundane with someone who doesn’t have to be reminded not to leave his toys where the baby can reach them. But people are in such awe of mathematics that they kowtow to all who can wield its power. It’s a shame, really.
 
Written By: Wacky Hermit
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Is anyone surprised that it took less than 48 hours for the Huffington Post to descend into moonbattery?

Is anyone surprised they haven’t enabled comments?
 
Written By: Achillea
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Numeric illiteracy - the cause of much social woe.

This is one of your funniest posts ever, but boy oh boy is it justified. Pie-eyed lunacy at its best.

Achillea, I think one of the reason that they haven’t enabled comments is that it forces people to link to them if you want to skewer them.
 
Written By: MaxedOutMama
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1. Lampley forgot that the house always wins. Sounds like the house really cleaned up that day.
2. RealClearPolitics and Gerry Daly, the two poll watchers I trusted most, both correctly called 49 of 50 states in their Election Day predictions. And the only one they missed in each case was Wisconsin, the closest state of all.
 
Written By: Crank
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The more convincing evidence that Lampley provides is the county by county vote tallies compared to the registered voters in those counties. Bush had big victories in heavy Dem counties, but that only occurred in counties using touch-screen ballots.

That data does make me suspicious, but as you pointed out, discrepancies in just one state out of many in which there were discrepancies, doesn’t explain the overall national result.

The article he cites goes on to say that the explaination could be that, in the South, many voters who have been voting Rep since the Reagan years, never bothered to change their registration party from Dem to Rep.

Florida is a funny state with unusual demographics (traditional conservative southerners and conservative, radical anti-communist Cubans vs. other traditionally liberal hispanic immigrants and transplanted Northeastern liberal retirees) that makes it difficult to explain any result.

I’ve also found (through general observation, not scientific analysis) that pre-election polls near election time, are pretty accurate. Immediately prior to this election, the polls showed Bush either trailing by 1% at one extreme or leading by 3% in the other.
 
Written By: Doug Purdie
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The biggest (only?) positive thing about the moonbattery over the election being "stolen" is that it induces the left to indulge in fantasies about how they are really the political majority. They are not the only ones, of course - many mainstream Democrats just keep talking about how they just need to get their message out better. They have convinced themselves that there’s nothing wrong with their positions, just that either (1) they don’t explain them well, or (2) the other side cheats.

As long as they go down that road, the influence of the left will continue to wane. So I hope they live in their self-constructed fantasy world as long as possible, thus removing the moonbat left as a serious influence in American politics.

And I sincerely hope that happens as soon as possible. A crippled Democratic Party allows the Republicans far too much latitude to get away with stuff.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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This is a canard. Bookmakers never calculate who’s going to win. Bookmakers choose odds such that their bets on either side balance, and they make a profit no matter who wins. The 2:1 odds for Kerry say a lot about who was betting on the election, and little about who was likely to win.

It would be odd for a regular bettor not to know this, no?
 
Written By: Skorj
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And Bellamy Road won the Kentucky Derby, with everyone being extremely scientific in their assessments and all.
 
Written By: Wilky
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Lampley’s back today with a dishonest post. He claims that "various statisticians" have proven the odds against the exit polls being that far wrong were 959,000 to 1. But the link under "various statisticians" takes us to a post at Democratic Underground that does have an awful lot of numbers but nothing like 959,000 to 1, and certainly does not appear to have been written by a real statistician.
 
Written By: Brainster
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I’ve not seen any explanations that I have found convincing for why the exit poll numbers were so off, particularly in view of the fact that so much was made of similar exit poll disparities in Ukraine at the very same time.

In fact, I have found the breezy dismissals of exit poll disparities to be suspicious in themselves.

A lot seems to rely on the concepts of the overly shy Republican or the overy schmoozy exit poll worker.

Mitovsky seems to be trying to straddle a rock and a hard place. He doesn’t want to admit to either collusion in fraud or to abject incompetence. That seems to be driving what he has to say on the subject of exit polls more than anything else.

The case for Stolen Election does not rely on unrealistic assumptions that the Dems are as pure as driven snow and the Pubs are evil incarnate. It relies more on observations, such as the apparently intolerable and unconscionable role Republican partisanship has played in the companies that make voting machines. There is the apparent vulnerability of the electronic machines to hacking and, more importantly, the lack of legitimate means of vote verification (ie. paper trail, voter verified paper trail. There is extensive testimony in Ohio and elsewhere to tactics of all kinds intended to manipulate the vote and disenfranchise likely Democrats. There is wide spread testimony of incidence of apparent default Bush votes, suspicious overvotes and undervotes, etc..

 
Written By: paul
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"Exit polling has sucked for three straight elections now"

Actually, the exit polls were pretty accurate (within the margin of error) in 2000, especially when you take account of the fact that Florida was proven in recounts (not to mention voter disenfranchisment) to have voted for Gore (too bad the Supreme Court had the final tainted vote).

The fact that the last two elections have not matched the exit polls says more about the validity of the elections than the polls.

Please check the facts and put down the Kool-Aid.
 
Written By: Lee
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Actually, the exit polls were pretty accurate (within the margin of error) in 2000, especially when you take account of the fact that Florida was proven in recounts (not to mention voter disenfranchisment) to have voted for Gore (too bad the Supreme Court had the final tainted vote).

Actually it went for Gore in only the most extreme of the variations of recounts and then only by 3 votes.

In the other three recounts, using the criteria most commonly used and agreed upon, and conducted by the newspaper pool, Bush won.
 
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