Now who are you going to believe people like Andrew Sullivan, the Kos kids, the Democratic Underground, John Cole, and Willis or some jihaddie who the FBI probably tortured to get him to sign this?
The MSM has shredded the last of its credibility. Why is it they feel that any rumor against the troops must be true while the standards to demonstrate these rumors are false are set at a much higher level. |
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TJ Jackson
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What does truth or reality have to do with it? People believe what they want to believe. They will believe, or at least espouse, what will further their cause. If the truth ever came to light how would we ever recognize it and who would be listening anyway? “It’s time to climb down off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it!” -Titus |
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tlum
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Anybody got a spare Koran I’m out of TP. |
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McQ2
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The problem was always one of evidence. One could never prove or disprove the allegation, since it came down to a credibility battle. The allegation seemed plausible, but it also seemed that it could have been a propaganda tool.
But the funny part is that prior to this story, the right side of the blogosphere (read Malkin, for instance), said that the maker of the allegation was not credible. That he had an obvious agenda. Now, all of a sudden, after the military paid another "visit" to the "detainee," and he changed his story, he is instantly credible.
Like I said, I don’t know what happened, but I would like to know. But then there are others who do not care what happened, but who do care that the story has been changed.
And then there is the forest for the trees problem, as was so excellently illustrated on Saturday Night Live last week in the "Divertor" cartoon. It was hilarious.
This whole issue has been a diversion tactic from the get go. |
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mkultra
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This from Aljazeera.Female staff at Guantanamo sexually abused prisoners "Women interrogators were particularly indecent with prisoners. They would press their sensitive parts against prisoners’ bodies and when a woman interrogator threw menstrual blood on the face of a prisoner, we resorted to a hunger strike," they said. A JIT member, who demanded anonymity, said that one of Mohammad Anwar’s testicles had been chopped off... They also said if you don’t believe us just ask mkultra. He recently exited the forest and he knows. |
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tom scott
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Has anyone pointed out that in early 2002 we were in a post-9/11 intelligence recovery mode desperately trying to get information to prevent the next terrorist attack? Remember the mindset? Remember people discussing how far would you go to stop the next 9/11?
The government has stopped all follow up attacks. Now, with revisionist 20/20 hindsight, we get an absurd concern with respecting the main tract of a 7th century political ideology merely because at such times ideologies were wrapped in religious garb.
I think we are making a major tactical mistake by demanding respect for Islam and its holy books. Jihadists can tell their fellow Muslims: look how powerful and respected Islam is when even the enemy scrambles to pay its due – Islam, not secularism, is what the enemy respects.
Over the past weeks, I’ve suggested we do the opposite on my blog.
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Jason Pappas
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http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/
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Jason; Agreed, and in more than this. |
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Bithead
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Dale Franks; call your office! |
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D
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We didn’t flush the Koran. So we’re good! Yeah, but some MI idiots tortoured a prisioner. So we’re bad! Of course, Gitmo is no gulag (source: AI) so we’re really not that bad after all! Or are we?
This blog is all over the map on these things lately... |
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shark
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Koran: Don’t care. More interested in the way it was handled in the media and I condemned that because it was an uncorroborated rumor. I also found it to be fishy from the beginning.
Torture: Bad.
Gitmo is not a gulag: no contradiction that I can see. Of course that still doesn’t make torture good.
Sorry Shark, seems entirely consistent to me. |
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McQ
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But if this blog asserted that the Koran story COULD be percieved as true because of the torture incidents, then why was the Gulag comparison rejected? After all, it COULD be true based on our horrible treatment of prisoners... |
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shark
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"This blog" has three contributors Shark. That being said, I think the argument does have some validity. And the word was "plausible" (not "perceived as true") and anyone able to do a little critical thinking can understand the point about plausibility was not made to support the Koran flusing story as being true.
Plausible doesn’t mean "true". What made the story plausible were the true stories about torture, abuse and death ... and that was Jon’s point.
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McQ
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So, were the claims of CBS about Bush’s TANG service ’plausible"?
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Bithead
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The claims were plausible, the memos were not. |
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McQ
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Fair enough.
What then, made them plausible?
I guess what I’m getting at here, is that looking acorss the collected mass of stories both recent and older, there seems to be a pretty low standard of "plausible" applied to stories that make the US look bad... particulalry when a Republican is involved, and an impossibly high one for stories that make either of them look good.
And I wonder if that’s not the trap being fallen into here, recently.
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Bithead
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I guess what I’m getting at here, is that looking acorss the collected mass of stories both recent and older, there seems to be a pretty low standard of "plausible" applied to stories that make the US look bad... particulalry when a Republican is involved, and an impossibly high one for stories that make either of them look good.
Possibly. But then, to quote the old saying, where there’s smoke, there’s usually fire, and the smoke makes the fire’s existence plausible. |
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McQ
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This blog" has three contributors Shark
I know that well. I used the term "this blog" just as a shortener rather than typing out names. Hopefully no offense was taken by any of the individual contributors. |
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shark
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Hopefully no offense was taken by any of the individual contributors.
I can say for at least me, and probably the others, absolutely none was taken. |
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McQ
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where there’s smoke, there’s usually fire Or, so the Democrats HOPE we’ll all think.
Forgive the mixing metaphors... that’s the thing about slinging mud... the water isn’t as clear afterward. |
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Bithead
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The americans "may have" flushed Korans, yes, after they murdered innocent children, raped prisioners, and perpetrated countless other violations of human rights. Flushing a book is irrelevant compared to those actions.
Check out flushaholybook.com where anyone can flush a holy book, even you!
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Flush Holy Books
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