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Ward Churhill strikes again
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, June 30, 2005

Under the "here we go again" department, Ward Churchill has again slithered out from under his rock to inflict himself on us:
Churchill, speaking at an anti- military forum in Portland, Ore., military remarks

"Conscientious objection removes a given piece of the cannon fodder from the fray," he said. "Fragging an officer has a much more impactful effect."
Of course Churchill defends himself by claiming he was taken out of context. Big surprise:
Reached at his home in Boulder County on Wednesday night, Churchill said the comments were made merely to spark discussion and not to take a position on fragging, which is the killing or injuring of an officer in combat by a subordinate.

He said that his remarks were being taken out of context and sensationalized in an effort to drive him from his job as a CU professor.

"I neither advocated nor suggested to anyone, anything," Churchill said. "I asked them to think about where they stood on things."
OK, there are the two sides. You can see the video from O'Reilly in which the audio clip is aired here. You can hear the whole audio here.

Now, we're left to decide what his intent is in this whole thing. Advocacy or, as he says, said merely to spark discussion. Well I'll leave you with this, not taken out of any context ... question and answer:
Questioner: I think it's important when you're getting into a discussion of violence and appropriate violence and self-defense, of starting to look at what you're trying to build there, what you're trying to create—for example, fragging an officer, which you were talking about before, at the beginning of your talk, the sort of trauma that that inflicts on that officer's family back home is I feel like an important thing to take into account when you try to think about what your action is trying to accomplish in the first place. I really feel like I can articulate [my question] properly, but that's the general direction I'm heading with it.

Churchill: How do you feel about Adolf Eichmann's family?
Heh, nice. As a former officer in the military, I'm now an Eichman as well?

UPDATE: So I sit back for a second and I reflect on Churchill's words. "Was he really just making that as a general statement to spur discussion or was that really advocacy aimed at a specific audience," I wondered?

It was certainly said in front of an audience worried about specific things, that's for sure. It was an American audience Churchill was addressing, an audience worried about only one war in terms of "conscientious objectors" and "fragging officers."

And although I'm sure many don't remember this, there was once an organization in the Vietnam era (FTA) which passed out little booklets to soldiers encouraging them to frag their officers. I'm sure Churchill remembers them with fondness.

So even though I try to give him the benefit of the doubt on the "context" issue, I simply can't. Sure he was talking about support v. action. But I got the impression he was trying to prompt action. And I got the distinct impression that he approved of the action he was discussing. You see, had he answered the question about fragging's effect on the family by saying something like, "that's irrelevant in terms of the choice you must make if you're truly committed to helping stop an unjust war", I might be able to let his comments slide. That would be vague enough to buy his context complaint.

But when he immediately invoked the memory of his favorite Nazi while a war in which two know fraggings have occurred is in progress, I have to say I believe those decrying his remarks got it precisely right.
 
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My great uncle was a military officer too. Lt. Cmdr in the Royal Canadian Navy and veteran of WWII to be precise. Someone needs to stitch Mr. Churchill’s mouth shut . . . and fire him from his job for being a plagiarist, of course.
 
Written By: Laurel
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He might not have been encouraging anyone to frag an officer, but he was endorsing supporting those who frag officers. It is kind of like saying a nation isn’t engaged in terrorism but only harbors the terrorists. A distinction true, but hardly a defense.
 
Written By: Lance
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You know I read that fragging was first seen in ancient American Indian culture to get rid of assholes who falsely claimed Indian heritage.
Then they were buried in a pox infested blanket.
 
Written By: McQ2
URL: http://nukethebabywhales.gov
The most memorable incident of a military fragging occurred late in WWII. It was attempted assassination upon the life of Adolph Hitler in his bunker in rural Poland. A brief case bomb was placed near him by one of his own officers. He survived.

If it had succeeded, hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved and the war would have ended much sooner. Most of the holocaust happened after this attempt.

Everyone thinks that this famous fragging was justified.

I just happen to believe that the Fragging of George W. Bush is also justified.

If someone in our military is going to frag someone, let it be their commander and chief.

I wonder why Bush hasn’t returned to visit the troops since his short 4-hour thanksgiving visit back in 2003. Maybe because it only takes one pissed off soldier to put a bullet in his pea brain.















 
Written By: Vietnam Era Vet
URL: http://www.bartcop.com
...pea brain.

Speaking of pea brains, thanks for stopping by. Don’t bother doing so again as this type trash isn’t welcome here.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Well then, I suppose that you could always censor my remarks as all good little Bush fascists do.

I would love to carry on an intelligent conversation with you. Nevertheless, you would rather run people off than face them like a man.

I guess the only people you want visiting your website are those who march lock step to your precious Fuhrer. The hatred for Bush is out there. Stick your head in the sand if you like. We are growing stronger every day and we will not go away.

Bush is the disease – death is the cure.
 
Written By: Vietnam Era Vet
URL: http://www.bartcop.com
You didn’t come here to carry on an intelligent conversation so spare me the hyperbole. You came here to pitch hate.

Go do it on DU. They welcome your sort of nonsense.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Yes, I hate Bush and you hate Liberals. At least my hatred is directed to one person.

I don’t know what the hell DU is. Why would I want to go somewhere and talk to a bunch of people who feel the same way I do. It’s much more fun pointing my finger at and getting in the face of warmongers who frequent websites like this.

I would rather see the military take Bush out. That would be ironic justice. But I wouldn’t be opposed to a Lee Harvey Oswald scenario but only if it was televised on live TV. That way I could play it over and over again with my Tivo.

I am surprised that you didn’t censor my post. That shows that you at least pee standing up and have some sense of fairness. That’s more than I can say about Bush.

Intelligent conversation? And I thought my analogy of fragging Bush, as it compared to fragging Hitler, was a valid talking point. I guess that you’re just not a history buff.


 
Written By: Vietnam Era Vet
URL: http://www.bartcop.com
Intelligent conversation? And I thought my analogy of fragging Bush, as it compared to fragging Hitler, was a valid talking point. I guess that you’re just not a history buff.

It falls on its face as an analogy, but if you were a real history buff you’d know that.

And to again make my point about your previous claim:

I would love to carry on an intelligent conversation with you.

You immediately made a liar out of yourself in your followup:

It’s much more fun pointing my finger at and getting in the face of warmongers who frequent websites like this.

Not that I expected any better from you.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
How cute. You obviously believe that one has to be civilized when carrying on an intelligent conversation with warmongers.

I’m only expressing my opinion here and I have been polite in doing so. Don’t expect me to sugar coat my hatred for Bush just to please your sensitive ego.

If you don’t like conflict then don’t discuss controversial issues with people who disagree with you.

Oh, and one more thing. I was a high school history teacher for 5 years. ROFL
 
Written By: Vietnam Era Vet
URL: http://www.bartcop.com
Oh, and one more thing. I was a high school history teacher for 5 years. ROFL

And we wonder why Johnny can’t read and doesn’t know history.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
McQ’s first name must be Johnny. LOL

Sorry they didn’t mainstream you in with the normal kids.
 
Written By: Vietnam Era Vet
URL: http://www.bartcop.com

 
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