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Clooney’s rendezvous with the cluebat
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, October 04, 2005

I got a huge laugh out of this:
Ocean's Eleven star George Clooney is urging his fellow Hollywood stars to keep quiet when it comes to politics, because he fears celebrity endorsements could wreck their favourite candidates' chances of victory.

Democrat Clooney and a number of screen stars have recently come under attack for voicing their political views.
So George says to his lefty Hollywood pals, "keep quiet".
"Now, I would argue that (throughout) American history, it's pretty hard to find a time when liberals were on the wrong side of an issue. We thought that the conservative view was: 'Witches should be burned at the stake.' Moderate view was: 'Well, just in case,' and the liberal view was: 'There's no such thing as witches.'

"We thought women should be able to vote and blacks should be allowed to sit at the front of the bus and Vietnam was wrong. We haven't really been on a lot of wrong sides for us to be sort of used as this bad word.

"But we hurt candidates right now, so we can do fundraisers quietly and make some money. But I think it's dangerous to get up and talk about it."
Dangerous.

Dangerous? Oh, he means dangerous in that those who hear what most stars have to say concerning politics have to check to ensure the quote isn't part of some spoof on politics or something. No one could be as ill-informed or out of touch as some of those guys seem.

And, well, then there's that "witches' thing. It seems that despite Clooney's denial, they really do believe in witches. They simply call them all Bush, Cheney and Rove. Or Republicans.

No, I don't think anyone minds a Hollywood type having a reasonable political view or even expressing it. Most, however, are simply in awe of the blatant cluelessness and hypocrisy they normally espouse. But I think what they mostly get tired of is the hate which is expressed by the star as a valid "political viewpoint".

You know, things like this:
In receiving a special filmmaking achievement award from the National Board of Reviews, actor George Clooney joked that "Charlton Heston announced again today that he is suffering from Alzheimer's."

Clooney still had a chance to apologize for the bad humor day. When questioned about the remark by New York Newsday, Clooney sputtered: "I don't care. Charlton Heston is the head of the National Rifle Association. He deserves whatever anyone says about him."
Or this:
He says President Bush would fit in just fine with New Jersey's favorite crime family.

"The government itself is running exactly like the Sopranos," he tells talk-show host Charlie Rose tonight.
Or this astute observation:
Clooney says Bush has cut deals with France and Russia so the United Nations Security Council won't complain when "we go into a war [with Iraq] and kill a lot of innocent people."
And this was useful as well in terms of good political debate:
"What did Bush do on 9/11? He ran away and hid. Even Reagan knew more about leadership than that, and he was as bad a symbol of America as I can think of, off-hand. But at least he's been in enough cowboy movies to know he had to come out and stand on top of the rubble and be seen shaking his fist or something."
And in GQ, Clooney claimed:
"The problem is we elected a manager, and we need a leader," Clooney tells the magazine. "Let's face it: Bush is just dim."
Who knew that sort of stuff could hurt your cause, huh George?

But give Clooney credit ... he may not be as dim as he accuses Bush of being. He seems to have figured out that perhaps "shut up and act" isn't such a bad slogan for the Hollywood left.

Now of course comes the hard part.

Doing it.
 
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Clooney: "Now, I would argue that (throughout) American history, it’s pretty hard to find a time when liberals were on the wrong side of an issue . . ."

Pardon me, but as far as I recall, liberals/Democrats were obviously in the wrong on more than a few issues. Off the top of my head I can think of slavery and civil rights (i.e. Dixiecrats).

Nowadays they all say that entering Vietnam was a mistake, but of course, it was a Democrat that got us involved in the first place. Yesterday being the 12th anniversary of the Battle of Mogadishu, where 18 American soldiers were killed (two subsequently being decorated with the Medal of Honor for their heroism), I think it’s appropriate to mention that it was a Democrat who withdrew us from Somalia before completing our mission there.

It was, of course, the same liberal who never gave the order to restore peace in Rwanda to our Marines idling off the coast of Kenya while one million people were massacred.

And then there’s the matter of their economic and social policies.......
 
Written By: J
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you mean "Dixiecrats" who in the late 70’s defected to the Republicans (Phil Graham, et al) and whose hand picked/financed croneys are now the "Republican Leadership"?

yeah right. Marvelous example of how ’wrong’ liberals have been. NIce try with the race card, though....

Also on Clooney’s "select" comments I intone with mock agreement. How DARE this..this...citizen! How DARE this CITIZEN CLOONEY express an opinion in public. Burn the witch!

Of course, you miss the overall point. The pendulum is about to swing left again. Even the (what you view as) stupid, ignorant, uneducated, retards in Hollywood can see that the Machine must Fall.

And fall hard it will. Independents like me will laugh and then cry at the bills left behind by the rape of the coffers, shrug off the pain and get to work rebuilding the greatness of The US of A.

I am,

Rick D.
 
Written By: Rick D.
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George tried to lend his star power to help his father win a congressional seat in Kentucky:
It’s not the contributions from Grayson and Shelbyville and Fort Mitchell that catch your eye. It’s the ones from Santa Monica and Los Angeles, the ones attached to such names as Meg Ryan, Paul Newman, Salma Hayek, Warren Beatty, Renee Zellweger, Bette Midler, Danny DeVito and Kevin Costner.


Campaign checks have rolled in, too, from Catherine Zeta-Jones, Steven Spielberg, Red Buttons—and one George Clooney, whose credits include actor, director and, now, candidate’s son.


The race is Clooney for Congress and the Democratic name on the ballot in northern Kentucky belongs to Nick Clooney, a well-known former television news anchor who is driving the back roads trying to claim the state’s only House seat not in Republican hands.

He failed.
 
Written By: JWG
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Dangerous.

Yes, let’s speak of Dangerous.

Dangerous are those preaching moral authority.
Dangerous are those wishing to suppress art.
Dangerous are those wishing to suppress speech.
Dangerous are those wishing to…, well…., you get the point.

Mr. Clooney has a point. Those in Hollywood often damage their own cause by speaking with naïve unawareness, speaking with audacious vanity, speaking with impudent hypocrisy.
The thing is…
All of that is annoying and nauseous but not (too) damaging. You see, I can turn the T.V. off and I can choose not to see a film thereby making Mr. Clooney and his colleagues, and their comments, ineffective.

When those in power curry favor with those who wish to suppress individual liberties they bring their villainous oppression with them. It’s not the loony left coast you should worry about, it’s the serpentine South. (sorry)

I thought Christianity was all about caring, giving, and “what would Jesus do?”


Now of course comes the hard part.

Doing it.


Indeed.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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It’s not the loony left coast you should worry about, it’s the serpentine South. (sorry)

Frankly I don’t worry about either.

I just found it amusing that George just figured out that outrageous statements don’t help your cause.

That after calling Bush "dim". I mean, I love it, it’s hilarious.

As for the south, why should I worry about it any more than what comes out of CA (see mayor of SF’s latest little fun thing) or MA for that matter?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
That Heston comment is wrong. How thoughtful of you to pick up an inaccurate article for referral. He was never mentioned by name. Mr. Clooney actually said "The head of the NRA announced again today that he is suffering from Alzheimer’s". A joke meant to show the incapable mind of someone in a responsible position.
 
Written By: L
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As for the south, why should I worry about it any more than what comes out of CA (see mayor of SF’s latest little fun thing) or MA for that matter?

As a drug free, heterosexual Christian….why would you?
It’s your selfish indifference they’re relying on.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Rick D:
you mean "Dixiecrats" who in the late 70’s defected to the Republicans (Phil Graham, et al) and whose hand picked/financed croneys are now the "Republican Leadership"?
yeah right. Marvelous example of how ’wrong’ liberals have been. NIce try with the race card, though...
Phil Gramm Dixiecrat? Texas A&M Professor of Economics elected to the House of Representatives-as a democrat-in 1978? The Phil Gramm that resigned January 5, 1983, to run for election to the Ninety-eighth Congress as a Republican; reelected as a Republican, by special election, on February 12, 1983-a dixiecrat. Oh, that "defection."
Strom Thurmond was a dixiecrat. Phil Gramm was not.
 
Written By: tom scott
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I wasn’t attempting to "play the race card." Thanks, but I’ll leave that practice to liberals. Instead, I was pointing out the irony in the fact that liberals, in every other sense of the word, supported the continuation of the one true original sin of our nation.

Thurmond and Helms defected to the GOP... Who else? Name one more, please. Most of them stayed in (or shortly returned to) the Democratic Party. Senator Byrd, is still in office as a Democrat!

I’m not going to play apologist for Republicans—why would I, I don’t affiliate myself with that party either. But, I certainly would not be so stupid to assert that any political group has never been wrong, on any issue, "throughout American history"!
 
Written By: J
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Clooney: "Now, I would argue that (throughout) American history, it’s pretty hard to find a time when liberals were on the wrong side of an issue . . ."

LMFAO

-They preach capitulation in the WoT

-They were against Reagan in his handling of the cold war

-Kerry and Kennedy and their ilk directly supported the wrong side in Nicaragua

-Their anti-war stance in the 60’s led directly to the slaughter of millions in the aftermath of Vietnam

-Behind draconian PC speechcodes

-Supporting judical activism to usurp the elected branches of our govt

-As noted before, they were against initial civil rights down south

-They had control of congress for 4+ decades and still couldn’t do shit regaiding poverty, something must be wrong with their policies, you think?

-Liberal education policies have turned our schools to shit

-Overreaching environmentalism has stifled business, and allowed our energy infrastructure to decay

-Oh, and how’s that "peace dividend" thing working out?

Need I go on? How long until MK responds by attacking me in an ad homenim fashion to rebut this list (and it doesn’t even scratch the surface)
 
Written By: shark
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And PS-

Mr. Clooney wants to see what decades of liberal control brings, he should take a good look at (pre and post Katrina) New Orleans and Detroit...
 
Written By: shark
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As a drug free, heterosexual Christian….why would you?

It’s your selfish indifference they’re relying on.


Hardly indifference Pogue ... I just don’t buy the premise.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Mr. Clooney actually said "The head of the NRA announced again today that he is suffering from Alzheimer’s". A joke meant to show the incapable mind of someone in a responsible position.

And your point? The quote that got him in trouble was:

"I don’t care. Charlton Heston is the head of the National Rifle Association. He deserves whatever anyone says about him."

There’s no question of who he was talking about in either quote, is there? Having had a parent who suffered from the disease, I just don’t find it a particularly funny joke. And his follow on quote wasn’t a joke at all, was it?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Hardly indifference Pogue ... I just don’t buy the premise.

You don’t buy the premise???
Did you visit the links??? (even if you didn’t, I know you to be an astute observer of current events!!)

And you don’t believe that elements of the Christian Right, the majority of which hail from the south, wish to destroy certain civil liberties such as free speech and free market.

Come on, McQ.
You must have misstated.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Here is a twist, I dont think Cloony is concerned much about how his (and other celebs.) comments effect their candidates. He is concerned how his outrageous babble has affected HIS wealth. If you haven’t noticed five years ago he was the hottest thing in Hollywood, since then some of his movies tanked and others were only mediocre.
 
Written By: Kyle N
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And you don’t believe that elements of the Christian Right, the majority of which hail from the south, wish to destroy certain civil liberties such as free speech and free market.
lets try your bigotry this way:
And you don’t believe that elements of the Zionist Jews, the majority of which hail from New York, wish to destroy certain civil liberties such as free speech and free market.
or how about:
And you don’t believe that elements of the Gay Allience, the majority of which hail from San Francisco, wish to destroy certain civil liberties such as free speech and free market.
 
Written By: Kyle N
URL: http://
Good looks and bad thoughts - I sure hope Clooney’s good in bed, cuz he’s a dud in politics.
-Steve
 
Written By: Steve
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lets try your bigotry this way:

Well…
That would be fun. If only you had evidence.

But until then, I’ll rely on reality if you don’t mind. And speaking of bigotry.

 
Written By: PogueMahone
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And you don’t believe that elements of the Christian Right, the majority of which hail from the south, wish to destroy certain civil liberties such as free speech and free market.

No, Pogue. I believe some wingnuts have some sites, but that doesn’t make them Christian or necessarily the "right". And I certainly don’t fear them any more than I fear the so-called "Christian Identity" church out west near as much as I fear the politician who may carry the Democrat nomination for president in ’08 who said "we’re going to take some things away from you for the common good".
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
But until then, I’ll rely on reality if you don’t mind. And speaking of bigotry.


Pogue ... its always best to know who you cite.

Fred Phelps is a Democrat as has been pointed out here many times.
Phelps remained prominent in state and local politics, working for years as a major organizer for the state’s Democratic Party. (He still calls himself a Democrat, refusing to change just because his party has.) In 1988, Phelps housed campaign workers for Al Gore’s first presidential run; in 1989, his eldest son, Fred Jr., hosted a fundraiser for Gore’s Senate campaign at his home.

Phelps has frequently run for public office—for governor in 1990, ’94, and ’98, for the Senate in ’92—always losing the primaries by a landslide. Because of their years as loyal Democrats, the Phelpses have even been invited to—and attended—both of Clinton’s inaugurations. They protested at the second one. But Phelps’ campaign against homosexuality actually began in earnest just before the 1992 campaign, when politicians, especially Democrats, began to openly court gay voters.
He’s also one of the reasons I don’t buy your premise.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Proof? reality? I think you are immune to either, as are most bigots. Lately I have been hearing anti-chistian hate spewing more and more. Are their some idiots who call themselves christians and call for some sort of theocracy? Sure, in very, very tiny numbers and zero influence. It proves nothing. Hell, there are radicals in every movement, So what? The real danger comes when a group of people, through hate and distortions seek to marginalize a group of people they don’t like. That is what I see going on with Christians and I think it stinks.
 
Written By: Kyle N
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No, Pogue. I believe some wingnuts have some sites, but that doesn’t make them Christian or necessarily the "right".

So Rep. Istook (R-OK) is a wingnut. Sen. Stevens (R-AK) is a wingnut. Yea, what else is new? And they wing about with Christian Right mentality and you know it. Any other declaration would be disingenuous.
Go on, admit it. You’ll feel better, I promise.

And I still say they trump Hollywood celebrities.


Fred Phelps is a Democrat as has been pointed out here many times.

So what? It’s bigotry isn’t it???
The fact that he’s a Democrat certainly doesn’t offend me. It should offend Democrats, though.

 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Of course, you miss the overall point. The pendulum is about to swing left again. Even the (what you view as) stupid, ignorant, uneducated, retards in Hollywood can see that the Machine must Fall.

How, by going underground? Hows that going to work? At least the right will say what they think and stand by it, whether they are right or wrong. Its called courage, but courage is an action not a feeling. Of course this is about the time that the left will start saying that the are frightened by what others are saying and that they are being censored, or can’t speak freely. As Clooney is talking about here, he is saying he can’t speak freely because it hurts his agenda. Frankly, aside from Joe Lieberman, I can’t think of one Democart, on the national stage, that I would even consider. Good luck!
 
Written By: wilky
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Proof? reality? I think you are immune to either, as are most bigots.

Yea, whatever. I’m not the one failing to provide evidence that homosexuals are seeking to destroy civil liberties.

Right, I’m the bigot immune to reality. :-}
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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So what? It’s bigotry isn’t it???
The fact that he’s a Democrat certainly doesn’t offend me. It should offend Democrats, though.


Kinda blows a hole in your "southern Christian right" nonsense.

So Rep. Istook (R-OK) is a wingnut. Sen. Stevens (R-AK) is a wingnut.

Uh, yeah. And so is Maxine Waters, Cynthia McKinney and Charlie Rangle, but I don’t lose any sleep over them or try to make general stereotypical statements about them.

Yea, what else is new? And they wing about with Christian Right mentality and you know it. Any other declaration would be disingenuous.

And the three above like to hug Fidel Castro and tell us how wonderful his universal health care is.

Your point?

Go on, admit it. You’ll feel better, I promise.

You need to relax a bit Pogue. Istook and Stevens are no more a threat than are Waters, McKinney and Rangle and you know it.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Kinda blows a hole in your "southern Christian right" nonsense.

Not in my opinion. But I will concede that Christian bigotry can be bi-partisan.

You need to relax a bit Pogue. Istook and Stevens are no more a threat than are Waters, McKinney and Rangle and you know it.

Hehe,
Maybe even less of a threat. However, Istook and Stevens are definitely more of a threat to me that George Clooney.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
However, Istook and Stevens are definitely more of a threat to me that George Clooney.

Uh, OK ... but then I never said Clooney was a threat.

A clown maybe, but threat?

Nah.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
My main objection to celebrity pundits has been their ready access to the public. For 30 years I, an engineer, have attempted to counter the anti-nuclear crap, only to find my comments never seeing publication while actors and actresses spouted their ignorance to the public unchallenged. That is one reason I love the internet and blogspace. Interesting that actor’s websites seldom have an address for comments anymore. I suspect this is because they are not ready for open debate of their positions.
 
Written By: Walter E. Wallis
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I like how some of them call capitalists and corporation greedy and then pull in millions themselves and use personal companies to avoid taxes, i.e. they are not paid a salary but their company is allowing them to write off lifestyle expenses.

 
Written By: Harun
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Dangerous are those preaching moral authority.

PETA, "Mother" Sheehan, Greenpeace and others of the religious left...



Dangerous are those wishing to suppress art.

Or those who wish to force others to pay for what they call "art".



Dangerous are those wishing to suppress speech.

I’d list all the colleges with speech codes but I don’t have the space or time.


 
Written By: Fred
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He’ll never be half the actor or half the man Charlton Heston is.
 
Written By: Lori
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I suspect the reason why Hollywood types tend overwhelmingly lefty is out of guilt. The idea of being paid millions to play make-believe fries their brains, so they think they have to "give back" somehow. Of course, this thought never crosses their mind before they hit the red-carpet wearing thousands of dollars worth of jewelry & designer clothes for yet-another-awards-show, but hey they’re actors, wtf do they know?



If they weren’t utter hypocrites then instead of barking about politics they’d be too busy packing the zillions of rooms in their mansions with all the homeless people they could find. That doesn’t take a tax-hike to do...
 
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