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Hugo’s big day
Posted by: McQ on Friday, November 04, 2005

I fully expect to have to weather the usual assault from those who will question my reason for going after a wonderful man like Hugo Chavez who simply wants to have his people share in the bounty of his country.

Well these aren't the words of a man who has that as his first priority. These are the words of a man who is looking for a fight:
Hugo Chávez, Venezuela's leftwing president, on Friday sought to stoke anti-American sentiment in Latin America with a broadside against the US that was likely to heighten Washington's concern at his rising influence in the region.

Addressing at least 10,000 demonstrators gathered in the small seaside resort to protest against the visit of George W. Bush to this weekend's Summit of the Americas, Mr Chávez insisted: “We [Latin America] will never be North American colonies.”

He threatened to “bury capitalism in order to give birth to 21st century socialism, a new historic socialist project that the people of the Americas are demanding”.
Now the way it works at these little international soirees is all the leaders meet and make nice-nice. They try to get to know each other a little better, put a personality with the face they see in the paper and nominally forge relationships which will lead to better things for all concerned.

What they don't do is go to another country and in the face of the host of the event try to whip up violent sentiment against a guest.

Well, unless they're as ill bred as Hugo Chavez.

For some reason this little tin-pot saber-rattler is begining to remind me more and more of Fidel Casto with oil and a suit as each day passes.
Evo Morales, the leader of Boliva's indigenous coca growers, who could become president following election's next month, told the FT that Mr Chávez “breeds solidarity and speaks for the Latin American people. He is an immense figure in the region.”
He may very well be exactly what Mr. Morales says he is to some, but a rational person would figure the advantages of a peaceful relationship with the US would far outweigh an antagonistic one you would think ... unless, of course, you have bought into a different ideology and have a mentor who'd use anyone in the world to strike at his number one bete noir. That would be Mr. Castro, who, of course, has so bankrupt his own country during his period of enlightened despotism (they have free health care and free prisons), and now without the semi-deep pockets of the defunct USSR to finance his efforts, is dependent on squandering the oil riches of a rather dim convert in his war against the US.

Naturally, Hugo is a more than willing dupe.
"Peoples of the Americas are rising once again, saying no to imperialism, saying no to fascism, saying no to intervention—and saying no to death," Chavez yelled to the cheering crowd of demonstrators.

Carrying anti-U.S. signs and large images of regional figures such as Marxist rebel Che Guevara, thousands of protesters began their march on the streets and then moved into Mundialista Stadium, where Chavez led the rally.
CNN reports that after Chavez's little harangue earlier in the day, leftist protestors turned violent (gasp! what a surprise!):
Protesters set one building on fire Friday and threw objects at police in the streets of this resort city as the leaders of 34 nations began the fourth Summit of the Americas.

Small bands of demonstrators threw Molotov cocktails, set bonfires in the streets with items looted from stores, burned American flags and set a bank ablaze.
Oh and free trade? Not on Hugo's watch:
Bush wants to create a free trade zone throughout the Americas, from Canada to Argentina. He has argued that all nations involved will benefit economically.

But leaders of several nations reject the notion, saying the United States would take advantage of smaller nations. Chavez is one of the most prominent critics.

"We bury the free trade agreement today here," Chavez said at the rally.
Add to this Chavez's Orwellian attempt to establish a fictitious enemy with which to distract his public and you have the very epitome of a mad man who's bent on holding and expanding his power:
The day after Venezuela’s president reiterated allegations that the United States is planning an invasion of his nation, his country’s navy said it would carry out a mock foreign invasion, “which will be repelled.”

The maneuver, set to begin next Wednesday and run through Nov. 6, will include the participation of civilian militias. Friday’s announcement came a day after President Hugo Chávez, while visiting France, repeated his charge, by now months old, that the Bush administration has plans to invade his country “to take over its oil supplies, like it did in Iraq.”
Frankly, if I were the President of Argentina, regardless of what I thought of President Bush or the US, I would denounce Chavez publicly. He certainly hasn't shown President Kirchner the respect he and his country are due and has more than imposed on his hospitality in what can only be described as an ungracious and ungrateful manner.

But then we all know that won't happen. For some reason, in the world of diplomacy (and I suspect, Latin American "solidarity"), outrageous acts such as Chavez's will at most only garner a "tut tut" or a muted "he shouldn't have", which, of course, only encourages the lout who committed the acts to newer and more outrageous acts.

Someone ought to do Mr. Chavez a favor and let him know there are limits to such behavior and such threats. And that same someone should also point out where that limit is and make it very clear that playing the populist to the Latin choir is one thing but making tangible and real threats against a President of another nation or that nation itself might end up being career limiting by turning a fantasy into a reality.

UPDATE: Gateway Pundit is reporting that Cindy Sheehan has found a way to Argentina and is scheduled to speak (or may have already spoken) to a Marxist Anti-Bush Rally in Argentina. Does that make it official? Are we clear yet?

It's not about the war in Iraq, is it?

UPDATE: Isn't this the way it always works? Just when you're sure you've had it up to here with someone and say so they manage to find a way to say something else with which you actually agree?

Jimmy Carter:
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez' involvement in demonstrations against the U.S. and President George W. Bush are "unjustified," former President Jimmy Carter said Friday.

"The personal attacks on the president and the condemnations of America by Hugo Chavez are unjustified and uncalled for," Carter said while being interviewed on Cable News Network.

Carter, while blaming the Bush administration's policies for the U.S. losing its prestige and authority in Latin America, nevertheless termed Chavez "a radical-speaking leader" who he has found difficult to work with in the past.

"He's a demagogue in appealing to his people, claiming that the United States has threats against him," Carter told CNN.
Well thank you Jimmy (a stopped clock is right twice a day anyway), but you're still all wet in your other remarks.
 
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If Chavez isn’t a good example of why this country needs to get off of foreign oil, get moving on alternative fuels, and return to its heritage of non-intervention in the affairs of other nations, then I don’t know what is. Being held over a barrel by tin pot egomaniacs like Chavez is rather tiresome and unnecessary.
 
Written By: storm72
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get off foreign oil - we don’t have enough of our own

alternative fuels - nice thought, now hold onto that for about 50 years, allow nuclear and maybe it might come true

non-intervention - Yeah, all we need to do is ignore loudmouth dictator with dreams of expanding his boundaries. Worked real well for 1930’s Europe.
 
Written By: John
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"little tin-pot saber-rattler"

The word you want is caudillo.
 
Written By: Fred
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The word you want is caudillo.

I’ll take your word for that, Fred.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
He threatened to "bury capitalism in order to give birth to 21st century socialism, a new historic socialist project that the people of the Americas are demanding".

If the idiotas of Latin America are fool enough to follow him, not only will they deserve everything they get (and believe me, it will be much much more than they’re expecting) but I will never support any attempts to free them via another "cold war".

There are enough examples of socialism’s failure that even casual ignorants can learn the lesson. If they choose to be enslaved, I choose to allow them to suffer.

I’m sick and tired of the rampant idiocy of the world’s peoples.
 
Written By: shark
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If the idiotas of Latin America are fool enough to follow him
Nice work on calling people who dont share the same views as you idiots. Its Nice to see some fifth graders voicing their opinions.

By the Way, Chavez must be doing something right if he has an approval rating of 70-80% in his country compared to Bush’s pathetic 40%. Not only is Bush hated and resented by the majority of the worlds population, but more then half of his own citizens think that he is dishonest and doing a poor job as President. Yet somehow he has been elected, not just once, but twice to lead the most powerful nation in the world. Who Are The Real Idiots Here?
 
Written By: Wilson
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By the Way, Chavez must be doing something right if he has an approval rating of 70-80% in his country compared to Bush’s pathetic 40%.

Yup ... it’s all about "approval ratings" isn’t it?

Some call it the blind leading the blind, but it’s all alright if those being led off the cliff approve, isn’t it?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
"Chavez could break wind and stick his head in a bucket of porridge, and still they would cheer."
Harry Hutton
 
Written By: Matt McIntosh
URL: http://conjecturesandrefutations.net
Poor people don’t give a shit who runs the world, Socialism or Imperialism. All they care about is how are they going to put food in the table.

Bush is looking to expand US Corporations and their interests.

Maquila companies pay almost no taxes, and the little they do goes to the central government, local governments are unable to provide minimal services like running water, electricity, paved roads, sanitation to the growing shanty towns inhabited by maquila workers and their families.

The average salary for Mexican maquila workers is US$50 - 60 per week in a region where the cost of living is as high as on the US side of the border. In Guatemala the average wage is about US$25 per week.

He will never be able to even buy the cloth he is sewing. Auto workers there will never be able to purchase a car they are building.

 
Written By: Marcos
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Poor people don’t give a shit who runs the world, Socialism or Imperialism. All they care about is how are they going to put food in the table.

Bush is looking to expand US Corporations and their interests.

Maquila companies pay almost no taxes, and the little they do goes to the central government, local governments are unable to provide minimal services like running water, electricity, paved roads, sanitation to the growing shanty towns inhabited by maquila workers and their families.

The average salary for Mexican maquila workers is US$50 - 60 per week in a region where the cost of living is as high as on the US side of the border. In Guatemala the average wage is about US$25 per week.

He will never be able to even buy the cloth he is sewing. Auto workers there will never be able to purchase a car they are building.

 
Written By: Marcos
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"Add to this Chavez’s Orwellian attempt to establish a fictitious enemy with which to distract his public and you have the very epitome of a mad man who’s bent on holding and expanding his power"

Gee that sounds like another American leader I could speak of.

As the "free"-market collapses after devouring itself, I’m sure we’ll see you all, in your WalMart uniforms, standing over it’s corpse flogging it with abandon. Time to wake up and start thinking like sentient human beings. North America has been sh*tting on South and Central America for close to two centuries, did you really expect them to be polite?
 
Written By: Daniel
URL: http://www.factivism.com
As the "free"-market collapses after devouring itself, I’m sure we’ll see you all, in your WalMart uniforms, standing over it’s corpse flogging it with abandon. Time to wake up and start thinking like sentient human beings. North America has been sh*tting on South and Central America for close to two centuries, did you really expect them to be polite?
Heh. Funny how the free nations always have better standards of living than the command economies, though. The Soviets Bloc’s economies imploded. The Europeans are in a downward spiral where, if present trends continue as they have for the last 15 years, the US will have 5 times the per-capita income as the French, and more than 3 times that of the Germans.

Yeah, that capitalism is just collapsing.

Oh, and the US hasn’t been sh*tting on South and Central America. They’ve been sh*tting on themselves. The average Latin American economy is either mercantilist or socialist. That’s their fault, not ours.

You sound like Krushchev, pounding your shoe on the podium and yelling, "We will bury you!"

Well, I tell you what, I’ll take that bet, commie-boy.

Jebus. Have you been living under a rock for the last two decades? Maybe you should keep up with current events.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
URL: http://www.qando.net
Geez, where did all these fully-indoctrinated communists come from?

A few responses to just a sampling of ignorant comments from the pinko gallery:
By the Way, Chavez must be doing something right if he has an approval rating of 70-80% in his country compared to Bush’s pathetic 40%.
This is an ideal example of the fascistic tendencies of the Marxist crowd here today. Consider: Chavez, who controls 100% of the media in Venezuela, is peddling the idea that the US is about to invade, but he will be the protector. Of course that is going to garner some approval ratings. Only it is based on a fantasy (much like your ideology).
Bush is looking to expand US Corporations and their interests.

Maquila companies pay almost no taxes, and the little they do goes to the central government, local governments are unable to provide minimal services like running water, electricity, paved roads, sanitation to the growing shanty towns inhabited by maquila workers and their families.
Perhaps I’m a little dense. Can you explain to me how the first sentence is in any way related to the second, causally or otherwise?

Another question: without those maquila companies, where would those workers work? They wouldn’t. Sadly, those workers are the most wealthy in their communities. Is it the corporations’ fault (or Bush’s) that the Mexican government is corrupt and incompetent?

And now, today’s winner for most foam at the mouth:
As the "free"-market collapses after devouring itself, I’m sure we’ll see you all, in your WalMart uniforms, standing over it’s corpse flogging it with abandon. Time to wake up and start thinking like sentient human beings. North America has been sh*tting on South and Central America for close to two centuries, did you really expect them to be polite?
No, the leadership of South and Central America has been shitting on their people for close to two centuries (before that it was Europe). Nice imagery with the Wal-Mart uniforms though, I’ll give you that. Maybe you should take up fiction as a hobby.
 
Written By: Ron C.
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Not a step back Fidel!!!
Brainwashed americans, you don’t have any idea what socialism is. Till yesterday i lived in the warm embraces of socialism. (Yugoslavia) And i must tell you, capitalism is simply not the better way. Cuba is poor only becouse of the embargo. Plus, why don’t you americans deal with your own problems, like your own poverty, like your own stupidity, your immoral war in iraq, your brothers getting killed, or i guess no one has a brother in capitalism, too busy to make money...
Viva Fidel!!! Viva la revolucion!!!
 
Written By: Pavle
URL: http://
Brainwashed americans, you don’t have any idea what socialism is.

Yeah actually, we do. Fidel has it, and he can keep it, the USSR had it and is but a vague and disturbing memory and Europe has it and is failing.

You’d think someone with the IQ higher than a melon might figure out by now that the ideology is crap ... which leaves us wondering which patch you and your comrades are hanging out in.

 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
"Geez, where did all these fully-indoctrinated communists come from?"

At least our school systems has been hard at work at something.
 
Written By: John
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well thats the brainwashing, you poor idiots.
ussr=socialism!!! please give me a break. your high IQ works this way??? it’s funny to me though. socialism is not so much about ideals but fair distribution of welth.
and your economy is growing???
where did you read that???
read the UN reports and see how your capitalism is functioning in the provinces and getos!!!
by the way, why don’t you join your imperialist US Army and defend your interests at the front line in iraq??? or thats the job for the stupid, jobless, poor americans??? high IQ i must admit!!!
and answer me one thing, when u go out on streets where ever in usa, you like what you see??? i don’t!!! i find you all stupid and shallow!!!
and in the end, why don’t you start reading noam chomsky, or he has a IQ high as a melon???
ok, i forgot george w. the bush, he should be the model of how one young man should think and act. after all he is the leader of the high IQ nation.
 
Written By: Pavle
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ussr=socialism!!! please give me a break. your high IQ works this way???

Well you had your chance Pavel, now it’s back to school for you.

Try cracking a book sometime if these concepts are a little beyond you, ok?

Like every other failed socialist out there you think the only reason socialism hasn’t succeeded is because you weren’t in charge of the effort. Of course, like most, you also don’t understand that the laws of economics don’t go away just because you think socialism is a good idea.

But hey, why am I wasting my time with someone so obviously convinced of socialism’s possibilities that he’s blind to its consistent record of failure.

and your economy is growing???

3.8% thank you very much.

where did you read that???

In a newspaper ... try one sometime. Who knows, you might not come off sounding so ignorant.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
It’s obviously not about building anything good. That’s for sure. Chavez needs to knock it off. He seems to have missed the point(S).
 
Written By: newc
URL: http://closedanger.blogspot.com
MK tries again; this time as a Slav commie. Ho-hum.
 
Written By: notherbob2
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He threatened to "bury capitalism in order to give birth to 21st century socialism, a new historic socialist project that the people of the Americas are demanding".
Hey, look! It’s the New and Improved Socialism! (But when you read the fine print on the label, you realize it’s still the same old crap in a pretty new box.)
it’s funny to me though. socialism is not so much about ideals but fair distribution of welth.
Here’s a fair distribution of wealth: those who create the wealth get to do whatever they want with it. They can keep it or give it to someone else in exchange for a good or service of value. That’s called capitalism.

Here’s an unfair distribution of wealth: those who create the wealth get it all taken away by some faceless functionary in the centralized government, who then gives parts of it to everyone else, regarldess of whether they’ve done any work. That’s called socialism.
 
Written By: Steverino
URL: http://steverino.journalspace.com
"Here’s a fair distribution of wealth: those who create the wealth get to do whatever they want with it. They can keep it or give it to someone else in exchange for a good or service of value. That’s called capitalism."

Steverino you seem to promote the idea that wealth creation happens in some metaphorical magic vacuum where the primary acquisition stages of capitalism doesn’t exist. When a corporation goes in and "appropriates" the land form subsistence farmers with the help of the local US-military supported government, the corporation "creates" a lot of “wealth”. The “deal” that is establish granting corporations rights to primary capital land for example this is called primary capital accusation. If that “deal” results in a net increase in starvation corporate dependence people don’t like that sort of thing. Basically your arguing that they should not be free to change those conditions because capitalism creates wealth for some.

The farmers-terorist-comi-nazis try to change the policies that distributed their land to corporations and they are demonized for this. As described in your next quote:

"Here’s an unfair distribution of wealth: those who create the wealth get it all taken away by some faceless functionary in the centralized government, who then gives parts of it to everyone else, regarldess of whether they’ve done any work. That’s called socialism."

 
Written By: mike
URL: http://convenientmorality.blogspot.com/
Mike, you are showing you know little about economics. Individuals create wealth, through their labor. Sometimes these individuals do it on their own, sometimes these individuals are hired by others (such as corporations) to add value to a product.

Who owns the result of that labor? If the individual is working on his own, then he owns it. If he has been hired, then the entity that hired him owns it. For the state to come and seize those results and distribute them to other people is indefensibly wrong. That’s why socialism is wrong (and why it will never work, no matter how it’s packaged).

People and corporations were creating wealth long before the US even existed, wealth creation per se has nothing to do with corporations taking "the land form [sic] subsistence farmers with the help of the local US-military supported government".
 
Written By: Steverino
URL: http://steverino.journalspace.com
When a corporation goes in and "appropriates" the land form subsistence farmers with the help of the local US-military supported government
Who owns the land that was "appropriated"? The farmers? Welcome to "Eminent Domain" hell, brought to you by the Kelso decision.


 
Written By: h0mi
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Nice work on calling people who dont share the same views as you idiots. Its Nice to see some fifth graders voicing their opinions

Nope, I called people who follow socialism idiots. I see that you read at a less than 5th grade level...
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
"Geez, where did all these fully-indoctrinated communists come from?"

At least our school systems has been hard at work at something.
 
Written By: John
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Interesting Blog, a lot of people talking or repeating what they have heard or read. It’s good to give opinions with the hope of changing the opinions of others. So in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with Chavez talking to his blog of 25,000 in Argentina, with hope of changing the world for the better in his view. If you sign up to his ideas, go with it and do something positive to help others. If you don’t, do something positive to help others on your side, the world has always had two sides and one will always lead the other. What we don’t need is insults and more interlectual showoffs typing something and do nothing. on that note I will get off my commie capitalist butt and comtribute my services to a real world in my own backyard.

Jeremy in China

 
Written By: Jeremy
URL: http://
It is to Mr Chavez’s advantage to label his opponents as pro-America and America as unhelpful, anti-competitive. If he can succeed in forming electorate into his pro-Venezuela and their pro-America camps then he wins longterm electoral support.
 
Written By: unaha-closp
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Interesting Blog, a lot of people talking or repeating what they have heard or read. It’s good to give opinions with the hope of changing the opinions of others. So in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with Chavez talking to his blog of 25,000 in Argentina, with hope of changing the world for the better in his view. If you sign up to his ideas, go with it and do something positive to help others. If you don’t, do something positive to help others on your side, the world has always had two sides and one will always lead the other. What we don’t need is insults and more interlectual showoffs typing something and do nothing. on that note I will get off my commie capitalist butt and comtribute my services to a real world in my own backyard.

Jeremy in China

 
Written By: Jeremy
URL: http://
whos economy is growing??? the corporate or the ordinary people’s one??? take a look around you!!!
you see people starving...
 
Written By: Pavle
URL: http://
Pavle;

"when u go out on streets where ever in usa, you like what you see??? i don’t!!! i find you all stupid and shallow"

Then why are you here? Wouldn’t you be happier somewhere else, somewhere like Cuba where you can enjoy the "warm embrace of socialism"? Why did you leave the socialist paradise of Yugoslavia?
 
Written By: timactual
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Pavle,

Funny thing, but I’ve never heard of any "starving" Americans risking their lives by venturing across shark-infested waters in tiny boats to get to freedom in Cuba. I’ve never heard of any "starving" Americans walking across deserts to seek work in Mexico.

Wake up! The U.S. is the land of plenty that the rest of the world seeks. The reason we’re all so prosperous here is due to capitalism and private property rights.

Pavle, where did you see people starving in America?

Remember the words of Senator Phil Gramm: "The United States is the only nation in history where the poor people are fat!"

Pavle, did you see all those "poor people" gathered at the Superdome and the Convention Center in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina had passed? Not a starving human among them. They had so much blubber to draw on they could have lasted another month without food.
 
Written By: JohnDewey
URL: http://
Robertson was right about Chavez.
By the Way, Chavez must be doing something right if he has an approval rating of 70-80% in his country compared to Bush’s pathetic 40%
Yeah. And Saddam was re-elected with 99.9% of the vote, too.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitheads.blogspot.com
ha, i am not in usa no way!!! i am where i am born and intend to stay!!! and don’t you worry, the class clash will be there sooner than you think:)
and no american is starving??? you have any record how many homeless there are??? or they don’t count couse acording to your government they are the unpeople like all the people where u have exploatation interests??? if you are that great country why dont you leave the other country in peace and let them live as they want. your democracy which by the way is only oligarchy is not needed else where. and by the way, take a trip where ever in the world and see how people live maybe you will discover better ways then your "american way" of a life. and in the same time you will see what others think of usa and it’s population. some hate you, some dislike you, some even think you are the best, i just feel sorry for you. but to do that u need to be emphatic, a quality that americans don’t have. of course most of them!!!
and someone got it right!!! you are really fat!!!
but that has nothing to do with quality of life but stupidity!!!
every empire has an end!!!
 
Written By: Pavle
URL: http://
ha, i am not in usa no way!!! i am where i am born and intend to stay!!! and don’t you worry, the class clash will be there sooner than you think:)

Well good for us, since your one less moonbat we’d have to look after (since you obviously are "reality challenged". If you wonder what that means, look up "doesn’t have a clue").

Let me again ask, where are people starving?

See if you can answer the questions this time.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Oil for the poor in america???
 
Written By: Pavle
URL: http://
united latin america and you can suck dick, fucking yenkies!!! who won the elections in venezuela???
 
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